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- 04-24-2008, 06:57 PM #1DavidBeeGuest
I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and ran up a
bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found that the thief
made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226 which were used to buy
credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe that the person was someone
from my daughter's school.
We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account
holder?
Cheers,
David
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- 04-26-2008, 01:46 PM #2Rod SpeedGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
DavidBee <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and
> ran up a bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found
> that the thief made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226
> which were used to buy credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe
> that the person was someone from my daughter's school.
> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account holder?
Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity like theft is involved.
- 04-26-2008, 05:22 PM #3HorryGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:46:51 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
> DavidBee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
>
>> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and
>> ran up a bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found
>> that the thief made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226
>> which were used to buy credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe
>> that the person was someone from my daughter's school.
>
>> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
>> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
>> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
>> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account holder?
>
> Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity like theft is involved.
Isn't "Habbo" based overseas? They may have an Australian arm, but if my
memory serves me correctly, they're based in the UK.
If that's the case, he may have trouble convincing the cops here in
Australia to arrange for the British authorities to obtain and serve a
subpoena in London -- when the subject-matter of their investigation is
$400 worth of Habbo credit. (I doubt Habbo will cough up their
subscriber's details without some form of legal process.)
My suggestion would be for the OP to fax a copy of the police report to
Habbo's head office, together with a letter explaining the situation and
requesting that the credit be refunded (enclosing a copy of the phone bill
highlighting the fraudulent purchases, etc).
He may well get fobbed off, but it'd be a better shot that expecting the
cops to start an trans-national investigation over $400. (Not that you
suggested they would do that.)
- 04-26-2008, 06:17 PM #4Rod SpeedGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
Horry <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> DavidBee <[email protected]> wrote
>>> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
>>> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and
>>> ran up a bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found
>>> that the thief made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226
>>> which were used to buy credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe
>>> that the person was someone from my daughter's school.
>>> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
>>> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
>>> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
>>> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account holder?
>> Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity like theft is involved.
> Isn't "Habbo" based overseas? They may have an Australian arm,
> but if my memory serves me correctly, they're based in the UK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habbo_Hotel
> If that's the case, he may have trouble convincing the cops here in
> Australia to arrange for the British authorities to obtain and serve a
> subpoena in London -- when the subject-matter of their investigation
> is $400 worth of Habbo credit. (I doubt Habbo will cough up their
> subscriber's details without some form of legal process.)
We'll see...
Its unlikely they would be stupid enough to require anything
to be served in pomland etc with something so trivial.
> My suggestion would be for the OP to fax a copy of the police
> report to Habbo's head office, together with a letter explaining the
> situation and requesting that the credit be refunded (enclosing a
> copy of the phone bill highlighting the fraudulent purchases, etc).
> He may well get fobbed off, but it'd be a better shot that expecting
> the cops to start an trans-national investigation over $400.
You havent established that any 'trans-national investigation' is involved with something so trivial.
> (Not that you suggested they would do that.)
- 04-26-2008, 09:44 PM #5Paul DayGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:57:14 DavidBee may have written:
<snip>
Just to ask the obvious, but was there any reason she didn't call up and
suspend the account as soon as she realised her mobile had been nicked?
PD
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Paul Day
- 04-26-2008, 09:46 PM #6Paul DayGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:22:15 Horry may have written:
> > Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity
> > like theft is involved.
>
> Isn't "Habbo" based overseas? They may have an Australian arm, but if my
> memory serves me correctly, they're based in the UK.
Finland.
They used to be registered in VIC and NSW, but they've since been
removed. Good luck to the local cops on this one. I doubt they're going
to be calling their counterparts in Finland over a $400 crime. They
don't even bother going overseas for $2mil crimes.
PD
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Paul Day
- 04-27-2008, 02:16 AM #7MichaelGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
"DavidBee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
>
> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
>
> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and ran up a
> bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found that the thief
> made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226 which were used to buy
> credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe that the person was someone
> from my daughter's school.
>
> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account
> holder?
Just make a police report and the police will do nothing.
Pay the bill and move on
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
>
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> DavidBee
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- 04-27-2008, 03:13 AM #8kcojGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
Paul Day wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:57:14 DavidBee may have written:
> <snip>
>
> Just to ask the obvious, but was there any reason she didn't call up and
> suspend the account as soon as she realised her mobile had been nicked?
>
> PD
>
because someone people are just plain stupid or worse dumb.
as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over who has
to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is responsible.
FULL STOP
sad but true, if is doubt read the T&C of the contract or agreement.
- 04-27-2008, 03:33 AM #9HorryGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:13:22 +1000, kcoj wrote:
> Paul Day wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:57:14 DavidBee may have written:
>> <snip>
>>
>> Just to ask the obvious, but was there any reason she didn't call up and
>> suspend the account as soon as she realised her mobile had been nicked?
>>
>> PD
>>
> because someone people are just plain stupid or worse dumb.
Or perhaps she reported it within hours of the theft, immediately after
she first noticed it missing, but by that time the "Habbo credit" had
already been purchased?
> as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over who has
> to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is responsible.
> FULL STOP
There's no "debate" over who has to pay the phone company, stupid. The
OP's question was directed at recovery of the $400 from another source,
namely, the criminal who stole his daughter's phone.
> sad but true, if is doubt read the T&C of the contract or agreement.
No-one's in doubt, stupid.
- 04-27-2008, 03:45 AM #10Rod SpeedGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
kcoj <poguemahone@****happens.com> wrote
> Paul Day wrote
>> DavidBee wrote
>> Just to ask the obvious, but was there any reason she didn't call up and suspend the account as soon as she realised
>> her mobile had been nicked?
> because someone people are just plain stupid or worse dumb.
> as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone
Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
> the debate over who has to pay is irrelevant,
Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
> the phone owner/account holder is responsible. FULL STOP
Wrong, as always.
> sad but true, if is doubt read the T&C of the contract or agreement.
Has no relevance what so ever to the law, ****wit child.
- 04-27-2008, 03:58 AM #11Paul DayGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:33:11 Horry may have written:
> > as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over who has
> > to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is responsible.
> > FULL STOP
>
> There's no "debate" over who has to pay the phone company, stupid.
Isn't there? Can her phone company prove _she_ consented to the 19
number charges?
PD
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Paul Day
- 04-27-2008, 04:09 AM #12HorryGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:58:12 -0500, Paul Day wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:33:11 Horry may have written:
>> > as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over who
>> > has to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is
>> > responsible. FULL STOP
>>
>> There's no "debate" over who has to pay the phone company, stupid.
>
> Isn't there? Can her phone company prove _she_ consented to the 19
> number charges?
On the issue of the debt to the phone company, what's relevant is that
the phone company can prove that the premium SMS was sent from her service
(or, more likely, her father's service, as she's only 17 years old), and
that the SMSs were sent before the SIM was reported lost/stolen.
- 04-27-2008, 06:23 AM #13MichaelGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
"Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:33:11 Horry may have written:
>> > as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over who
>> > has
>> > to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is responsible.
>> > FULL STOP
>>
>> There's no "debate" over who has to pay the phone company, stupid.
>
> Isn't there? Can her phone company prove _she_ consented to the 19
> number charges?
"She" doesnt need to consent. "She" is the legal lessee of the service,
regardless of who uses the service.
She/Police can try to take that person to court to recoup costs, but "she"
is still legally liable for the debt
>
> PD
>
> --
> Paul Day
- 04-27-2008, 01:46 PM #14Rod SpeedGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:33:11 Horry may have written:
>>>> as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over
>>>> who has
>>>> to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is
>>>> responsible. FULL STOP
>>>
>>> There's no "debate" over who has to pay the phone company, stupid.
>>
>> Isn't there? Can her phone company prove _she_ consented to the 19
>> number charges?
>
> "She" doesnt need to consent. "She" is the legal lessee of the
> service, regardless of who uses the service.
Unlikely given her age.
> She/Police can try to take that person to court to recoup costs, but "she" is still legally liable for the debt
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a ****ing clue.
- 04-28-2008, 09:32 AM #15thegoonsGuest
Re: Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits
"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> DavidBee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
>
>> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and
>> ran up a bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found
>> that the thief made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226
>> which were used to buy credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe
>> that the person was someone from my daughter's school.
>
>> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
>> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
>> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
>> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account
>> holder?
>
> Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity like
> theft is involved.
>
but pity that most of the time they couldn't be bothered, same as stolen
handsets and tracking via IMEI
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