Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 74
  1. #31
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 07:53:23 Michael may have written:
    >>>>> No one said that NextG covered all CDMA or GSM areas.
    >>>>
    >>>> Lie.
    >>>
    >>> Please post proof where anyone advised "if you are covered by CDMA,
    >>> you will
    >>> always be covered by NextG"

    >>
    >> Proof already supplied. You choose to ignore it.

    >
    > Haha. You loser. You cant even supply a single fact for something
    > that you claim has been stated by Telstra, time and time again


    He already did previously, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

    You chose to ignore it then, so there aint any point in posting it again.





    See More: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone




  2. #32
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Michael <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Paul Day <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Michael <[email protected]> wrote

    >>
    >>>>> No one said that NextG covered all CDMA or GSM areas. In the same
    >>>>> fashion that CDMA didnt cover all GSM areas

    >>
    >>>> 'fraid they did Michael. We've had this discussion previously in
    >>>> here and I pasted a whole bunch of quotes from Telstra management
    >>>> saying it would cover every square km that CDMA did. A couple of
    >>>> them were from Senate Estimate Committee meetings. Are you
    >>>> accusing Telstra management of lying to Parliament?

    >>
    >>> You still havent supplied any quotes.

    >>
    >> That was done when it was discussed previously.

    >
    > We are not currently discussing it previously, we are discussing it now.


    When you ignored it when it was quoted previously, there isnt any
    point in quoting it again now, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

    > And given you cant supply any quotes,


    He already did, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

    > just proves that it was never stated at all


    Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.





  3. #33
    who where
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    On Wed, 14 May 2008 21:37:37 GMT, "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 21:17:50 Kwyjibo may have written:
    >>> > Please post proof where anyone advised "if you are covered by CDMA, you
    >>> > will always be covered by NextG"
    >>>
    >>> From the Telstra marketing brochure:
    >>> "to guarantee that consumers have the same or better coverage than CDMA"

    >>
    >> Michael argues that Telstra's use of the word "same" merely means "The
    >> same _number_ of square km coverred (but not neccesarily in the same
    >> _location_ as those coverred by CDMA.)"
    >>
    >> However, numerous other sources (including Telstra answering to a couple
    >> of Senate Estimates Committee hearings) clarify it as what every sane
    >> person assumes the words "same" and "equivalent" to mean when talking
    >> about a mobile phone service. I've pasted some quotes from Telstra in

    >
    >And anyone speaking in the context of closing a NATIONAL NETWORK and
    >replacing it with another NATIONAL NETWORK would clearly believe "same" and
    >"equivalent" refers to the total coverage supplied by those respective
    >NATIONAL NETWORKS.
    >
    >They didnt close CDMA just in Upper East Wonthaggi Heights- they closed it
    >NATIONALLY


    By your reasoning (sic) if CDMA covered 98% of Oz, and let's be kind and say
    nextG covers 99% of Oz, then .,..

    To apply NextG over ALL of mainland Australia and NONE of Tasmania (which is
    less than 1% of Oz) would be same/equivalent or better.

    Yeah, right.



  4. #34
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    On Thu, 15 May 2008 07:34:58 Michael may have written:
    > We are not currently discussing it previously, we are discussing it now.


    Of course we're not currently discussing it previously. That doesn't
    even make sense.

    However, you ignored it previously and will no doubt ignore it now as
    well.

    > And given you cant supply any quotes, just proves that it was never stated
    > at all


    You lie - again. May as well start with the Hansard entry.

    And this time, unlike last time, don't ignore the most important quoted
    words: "their coverage footprint will remain."

    Hansard for ECITA 46, 13th Feb. 2006:

    Senator Coonan. "We know what consumers want here: they want to be able
    to continue to have a good coverage and to be able to have at least as
    good a service as they get with CDMA. We know what consumers want. This
    is a very technical inquiry group that we have convened here to make
    sure that these issues can be sorted out in the long-term interests of
    consumers."

    Senator CONROY. "As it stands we are basically being told by Telstra,
    'Trust us; we'll deliver what we.re telling you,' even though it
    actually has not been done anywhere else in the world."

    Senator Coonan. "I do not think Telstra is saying, 'Trust us'. What
    Telstra is saying is, 'We will work with you, the department, and we
    will work with you, the regulator, to make sure that service standards
    are at least equivalent to CDMA and to make sure that the services to
    consumers are not interrupted.'"

    Mr Jennings. "I will address two aspects of that. First, the network.
    Because they would largely be using CDMA now, their coverage footprint
    will remain. That is a given."

    (Mr Max Jennings, General Manager, Wireless Access Services, Telstra)

    PD

    --
    Paul Day



  5. #35

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    >
    > They didnt close CDMA just in Upper East Wonthaggi Heights- they closed it
    > NATIONALLY


    Yes, they did. GET OVER IT!



  6. #36
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    On Thu, 15 May 2008 07:36:18 Michael may have written:
    > Which they do, as total coverage is more.
    >
    > Still doesnt state "if you are covered by CDMA, you will always be covered
    > by NextG"


    Mr Jennings. "I will address two aspects of that. First, the network.
    Because they would largely be using CDMA now, their coverage footprint
    will remain. That is a given."

    (Mr Max Jennings, General Manager, Wireless Access Services, Telstra)

    > > If I was covered by CDMA prior to the switch off but aren't covered by
    > > NextG now, it's clearly not "the same" coverage, is it ****wit.

    >
    > It sure is the same


    Only if you're deluding yourself.

    PD

    --
    Paul Day



  7. #37
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    >>And anyone speaking in the context of closing a NATIONAL NETWORK and
    >>replacing it with another NATIONAL NETWORK would clearly believe "same"
    >>and
    >>"equivalent" refers to the total coverage supplied by those respective
    >>NATIONAL NETWORKS.
    >>
    >>They didnt close CDMA just in Upper East Wonthaggi Heights- they closed it
    >>NATIONALLY

    >
    > By your reasoning (sic) if CDMA covered 98% of Oz, and let's be kind and
    > say
    > nextG covers 99% of Oz, then .,..
    >
    > To apply NextG over ALL of mainland Australia and NONE of Tasmania (which
    > is
    > less than 1% of Oz) would be same/equivalent or better.


    Not a relevant comparison, as every CDMA base was replaced with a NextG one,
    and then some


    >
    > Yeah, right.






  8. #38
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:34:09 Michael may have written:
    > > To apply NextG over ALL of mainland Australia and NONE of Tasmania
    > > (which is less than 1% of Oz) would be same/equivalent or better.

    >
    > Not a relevant comparison, as every CDMA base was replaced with a NextG one,
    > and then some


    Yep, because Telstra committed to supplying at least the same coverage
    footprint as CDMA. You appear to have forgotten to reply to _my_ posts
    in this thread Michael. I hope you're not going to ignore them yet
    again!

    PD

    --
    Paul Day



  9. #39
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    On Thu, 15 May 2008 07:37:37 Michael may have written:
    > And anyone speaking in the context of closing a NATIONAL NETWORK and
    > replacing it with another NATIONAL NETWORK would clearly believe "same" and
    > "equivalent" refers to the total coverage supplied by those respective
    > NATIONAL NETWORKS.


    Nup, seems only you think that. Not even Telstra agree with you.

    PD

    --
    Paul Day



  10. #40
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    On Thu, 15 May 2008 07:35:38 Michael may have written:
    > > Proof already supplied. You choose to ignore it.

    >
    > Haha. You loser. You cant even supply a single fact for something that you
    > claim has been stated by Telstra, time and time again


    I can paste it for you yet again if you want, but we all know you're
    just going to ignore it yet again:

    Hansard for ECITA 46, 13th Feb. 2006:

    Mr Jennings. "I will address two aspects of that. First, the network.
    Because they would largely be using CDMA now, their coverage footprint
    will remain. That is a given."

    (Mr Max Jennings, General Manager, Wireless Access Services, Telstra)

    PD

    --
    Paul Day



  11. #41
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:34:01 Paul Day may have written:
    > On Thu, 15 May 2008 07:37:37 Michael may have written:
    > > And anyone speaking in the context of closing a NATIONAL NETWORK and
    > > replacing it with another NATIONAL NETWORK would clearly believe "same" and
    > > "equivalent" refers to the total coverage supplied by those respective
    > > NATIONAL NETWORKS.

    >
    > Nup, seems only you think that. Not even Telstra agree with you.


    And in fact, the Australian Government certainly doesn't agree with you
    either. From the amendment to Telstra's carrier licence conditions:

    (a) the existence of equivalent or better coverage is
    to be determined having regard to:
    (i) the area that a signal emitted from a
    base station covers as it is propagated around the base station; and
    (ii) the extent to which a signal emitted
    from a base station is of sufficient strength to enable the connection
    and maintenance of voice calls using only an appropriate handheld mobile
    phone handset; and
    (iii) the extent to which a signal emitted
    from a base station is of sufficient strength to enable the connection
    and maintenance of voice calls using an appropriate mobile phone used in
    connection with an external aerial;

    (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legi...25735B001C6639)

    PD

    --
    Paul Day



  12. #42
    Snapper
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Paul Day wrote...

    > Michael argues that Telstra's use of the word "same" merely means "The
    > same _number_ of square km coverred (but not neccesarily in the same
    > _location_ as those coverred by CDMA.)"


    My understanding is, and Michael, if I remember correctly, posted that here in
    the past, was that where there was a CDMA tower, a NextG cell would be
    commissioned. And that Telstra would be building MORE NG towers than what there
    were CDMA ones.

    So, if you're not getting NextG where once you got CDMA, then either they aren't
    replacing CDMA with NG, or that the new NG cells don't have the same range as
    what CDMA did.




  13. #43
    Snapper
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Michael wrote...

    > > If I was covered by CDMA prior to the switch off but aren't covered by
    > > NextG now, it's clearly not "the same" coverage, is it ****wit.

    >
    > It sure is the same


    How do you figure that?

    Or is Telstra's definition of "same" different to what the rest of us use?




  14. #44
    John Henderson
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Snapper wrote:

    > My understanding is, and Michael, if I remember correctly,
    > posted that here in the past, was that where there was a CDMA
    > tower, a NextG cell would be commissioned. And that Telstra
    > would be building MORE NG towers than what there were CDMA
    > ones.
    >
    > So, if you're not getting NextG where once you got CDMA, then
    > either they aren't replacing CDMA with NG, or that the new NG
    > cells don't have the same range as what CDMA did.


    And that lack of range could be because the phones aren't up to
    scratch.

    John



  15. #45
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    On Mon, 19 May 2008 07:28:08 John Henderson may have written:
    > > My understanding is, and Michael, if I remember correctly,
    > > posted that here in the past, was that where there was a CDMA
    > > tower, a NextG cell would be commissioned. And that Telstra
    > > would be building MORE NG towers than what there were CDMA
    > > ones.
    > >
    > > So, if you're not getting NextG where once you got CDMA, then
    > > either they aren't replacing CDMA with NG, or that the new NG
    > > cells don't have the same range as what CDMA did.

    >
    > And that lack of range could be because the phones aren't up to
    > scratch.


    Which was exactly the ACA's finding.

    They found that on their little road trip, the coverage footprint itself
    was (almost) equivalent. Considering their path of travel was known to
    Telstra well in advance of the NextG test, you'd hope they put a lot of
    effort into making sure every square inch had equivalent coverage.

    However, their finding was that the handsets weren't up to scratch,
    hence an "equivalent" service was not being provided, hence they weren't
    meeting their new license condition, hence they had to delay the CDMA
    closure.

    And because their test was only along a known route, it's understandable
    that Telstra perhaps didn't put the same effort into ensuring coverage
    equivalence in every other NextG cell across the country which explains
    why some people with acceptable NextG handsets find CDMA provided a
    better coverage footprint in their local area.

    And I notice Michael has suddenly gone silent in this thread since I
    dragged out the archives showing Telstra committed to providing an
    equivlant coverage footprint and that everybody other than him
    understands "service equivalence" to mean the same footprint and handset
    quality, not just the same raw number of sq km coverred.

    PD

    --
    Paul Day



  • Similar Threads




  • Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast