More info on Oz's iPone

Rod Speed wrote...

> > http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18678/1085/
>
> > "If Jobs sticks to his global pricing parity promise, the 8GB iPhone 2.0
> > will sell for around $AU220 in Australia. At that kind of bargain basement
> > price for the iPhone 2.0, you'd be lucky to get $AU100 for your old
> > iPhone on eBay. Most people would rather keep their iPhone 1.0 as an
> > iPod touch, or hand it down to a friend, than sell it for a mere $100."
>
> Dont believe we will see that for not on contract and unlocked iphone 3Gs.

Maybe not, but as Horry pointed out, those currently flogging the original
iPhone and for prices up around the $500 mark are gonna be spewing. they won't
be worth **** after this.

But then, maybe there's a market out there for those who don't want a 3G phone
but would like all the gizmos that the iPhone has. A combo media player/phone
for basic functions for $100 or less might be attractive.

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Snapper <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18678/1085/

>>> "If Jobs sticks to his global pricing parity promise, the 8GB iPhone
>>> 2.0 will sell for around $AU220 in Australia. At that kind of bargain
>>> basement price for the iPhone 2.0, you'd be lucky to get $AU100
>>> for your old iPhone on eBay. Most people would rather keep their
>>> iPhone 1.0 as an iPod touch, or hand it down to a friend, than sell
>>> it for a mere $100."

>> Dont believe we will see that for not on contract and unlocked iphone 3Gs.

> Maybe not, but as Horry pointed out, those currently flogging
> the original iPhone and for prices up around the $500 mark
> are gonna be spewing. they won't be worth **** after this.

True. It always was a bit of a dud, particularly not having 3G etc.

> But then, maybe there's a market out there for those who don't
> want a 3G phone but would like all the gizmos that the iPhone has.

Yeah, I dont actually use 3G much at all, but do want to for when I do.

> A combo media player/phone for basic functions for $100 or less might be attractive.

There's plenty of those available now. None as elegantly done as the iPhone tho.

Snapper <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> I could fit the whole family out with 8GB iPhones for
>>> less than the current cost of a single Nokia N95 8GB.

>> Its significantly more limited than the N95 tho.

> Why is this?

No sure if you mean why did Jobs do that or in what way is it more limited.

> The N95 doesn't sound like it has a lot of the features of the iPhone.

Its got everything the iPhone has and quite a bit more too.

>> It isnt even clear what they plan to do about network locking.

> It'll be good to hear what they're going to do about that.

I expect it will be network locked myself. Bet thats the
reason for the significant drop in price and Apple getting
a cut of the telco's revenue from a particular phone.

> If my wife can't unlock it then it will be useless to her when she goes
> O/S next month. (int'l roaming charges being exhorbitant and all that).
> She'll want to put a pre-paid SIM (or "chip" as the Yanks call it) when
> she gets there.

The yanks do have very cheap handsets which would be a viable
alternative. Just give it to one of the yanks when you leave etc.

Rod Speed wrote...

> >> Its significantly more limited than the N95 tho.
>
> > Why is this?
>
> No sure if you mean why did Jobs do that or in what way is it more limited.

The latter. What is more limited about the iPhone compared to the N95?

> > The N95 doesn't sound like it has a lot of the features of the iPhone.
>
> Its got everything the iPhone has and quite a bit more too.

Such as? It's the other phone on the list. Basically it's coming down to either
the iPhone, which will be contract/locking dependant, and the two variants of
the n95 that Optus sells, the N95 and the N95i which is the 8 gig version.

> The yanks do have very cheap handsets which would be a viable
> alternative. Just give it to one of the yanks when you leave etc.

Or she can take her existing Nokia as well and slip a SIM into it when she gets
there. It's a 3G phone so it may be able to use whatever 3G services that the
local telco has to offer if we can't unlock the iPhone.

Anyway, we have a month to decide. And how knows, despite us putting a deposit
on one, the local store may not be able to get one in, if the expected rush is
as high as everyone is saying. In which case she'll be jetting off with her old
Nokia.

Snapper <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>>> Its significantly more limited than the N95 tho.

>>> Why is this?

>> No sure if you mean why did Jobs do that or in what way is it more limited.

> The latter. What is more limited about the iPhone compared to the N95?

It cant be used as a USB modem, it may not even be usable as a modem via bluetooth.

You cant run any apps you like on an iPhone.

The iphone doesnt have voip built in.

You cant run any navigation software you like on an iphone.

You cant even change the battery yourself.

>>> The N95 doesn't sound like it has a lot of the features of the iPhone.

>> Its got everything the iPhone has and quite a bit more too.

> Such as? It's the other phone on the list. Basically it's coming down
> to either the iPhone, which will be contract/locking dependant, and
> the two variants of the n95 that Optus sells, the N95 and the N95i
> which is the 8 gig version.

And presumably the 8GB N95 which will be useable on NextG sometime.

>> The yanks do have very cheap handsets which would be a viable
>> alternative. Just give it to one of the yanks when you leave etc.

> Or she can take her existing Nokia as well and slip a SIM into it when she gets there.

Yeah, thought about that after sending that post.

> It's a 3G phone so it may be able to use whatever 3G services
> that the local telco has to offer if we can't unlock the iPhone.

> Anyway, we have a month to decide.

I'd personally go for the N95 8G, in fact I have done that, mainly because
it isnt crippled by what Jobs will allow you to do like the iphone is.

I'll probably get an iphone 3G too, mainly because its got some interesting ideas,
most obviously with the built in position sensor that switches the display format
auto when you turn it around etc, particularly if its anything like $200 total cost.

> And how knows, despite us putting a deposit on one, the local store may not
> be able to get one in, if the expected rush is as high as everyone is saying.

Yeah, I notice Optarse isnt accepting any more deposits too.

> In which case she'll be jetting off with her old Nokia.

Yeah, no big deal, tho it would be nice to be able to use the new toy.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:23:26 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

>> In which case she'll be jetting off with her old Nokia.
>
> Yeah, no big deal, tho it would be nice to be able to use the new toy.

I thought Snapper had you killfiled?

Horry <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> In which case she'll be jetting off with her old Nokia.

>> Yeah, no big deal, tho it would be nice to be able to use the new toy.

> I thought Snapper had you killfiled?

Clearly he doesnt currently.

Rod Speed wrote...

> You cant even change the battery yourself.

That's suck if you got a dud battery.

> > Such as? It's the other phone on the list. Basically it's coming down
> > to either the iPhone, which will be contract/locking dependant, and
> > the two variants of the n95 that Optus sells, the N95 and the N95i
> > which is the 8 gig version.
>
> And presumably the 8GB N95 which will be useable on NextG sometime.

We won't be getting that one. Telstra's plan for the N95 NextG is around $100 a
month I think it is. Or maybe it's $80. Dunno. Haven't looked lately. Whatever,
it's still too expensive. Optus has it on a $49 capped plan which gives better
value. The "i" version, the equiv. to Telstra's N95 8gb is also on the $49 plan
but it has a $20 repayment on top of that. So effectively it's $70/month.

SWMBO shall make the final decision. I've already made mine. I'm going with the
Telstra NextG Motorola V9, unless, prior to my contract expiring, Optus releases
its range of 900Mhz 3G phones and one of them is what I would like.

> Yeah, no big deal, tho it would be nice to be able to use the new toy.

That's the thing. She'll be stopping over in London on her way home, for a
couple of days. Included is a tour of Paris. She would like to make sure that
she can get a phone that will have downloadable maps for London and Paris in
case she wants to go for a wander. Dunno how safe these joints are, though.

Snapper <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> You cant even change the battery yourself.

> That's suck if you got a dud battery.

Or just wear it out.

>>> Such as? It's the other phone on the list. Basically it's
>>> coming down to either the iPhone, which will be contract/
>>> locking dependant, and the two variants of the n95 that
>>> Optus sells, the N95 and the N95i which is the 8 gig version.

>> And presumably the 8GB N95 which will be useable on NextG sometime.

> We won't be getting that one. Telstra's plan for the N95 NextG
> is around $100 a month I think it is. Or maybe it's $80. Dunno.
> Haven't looked lately. Whatever, it's still too expensive.

I bought mine outright.

> Optus has it on a $49 capped plan which gives better value. The "i"
> version, the equiv. to Telstra's N95 8gb is also on the $49 plan but
> it has a $20 repayment on top of that. So effectively it's $70/month.

> SWMBO shall make the final decision. I've already made mine.
> I'm going with the Telstra NextG Motorola V9, unless, prior to
> my contract expiring, Optus releases its range of 900Mhz 3G
> phones and one of them is what I would like.

>> Yeah, no big deal, tho it would be nice to be able to use the new toy.
>
> That's the thing. She'll be stopping over in London on her way home,
> for a couple of days. Included is a tour of Paris. She would like to
> make sure that she can get a phone that will have downloadable
> maps for London and Paris in case she wants to go for a wander.

Yeah, thats the main reason I got the N95, so I could do that sort of thing.

I do have a tomtom as well, but its one of the older ones
thats not as convenient for carrying around, too thick.

> Dunno how safe these joints are, though.

The frogs can get a bit carried away at times, riots etc.

Something I just found out about the iPhone - it apparently doesn't do MMS'ing.
If that's true then that will be a huge put off for a lot of people.

Although I can see it now. People will be going ga ga over the phone as an
overall package, new gadget syndrome and all that. They'll snap it up thinking
"****, who needs MMS'ing?" but as soon as they come to where they take a photo
of something and want to send it to someone they realise that they can't unless
it's emailed.

And that costs more money and requires the recipient to either be at their
computer or to have a similar service on their own mobile.

Might be the conspiracy to get people to spend ****loads on internet data
charges, perhaps...

Snapper <[email protected]> wrote:

> Something I just found out about the iPhone - it apparently doesn't do MMS'ing.

Yeah, its weirdly limited.

Not clear if that is because the 'designers' have never designed a mobile
phone before or whether they are just terminal ****wits with stupid ideas.

> If that's true then that will be a huge put off for a lot of people.

True.

> Although I can see it now. People will be going ga ga over the
> phone as an overall package, new gadget syndrome and all that.
> They'll snap it up thinking "****, who needs MMS'ing?" but as soon
> as they come to where they take a photo of something and want
> to send it to someone they realise that they can't unless it's emailed.

And then they realise they dont have the email address.

> And that costs more money and requires the recipient to either be
> at their computer or to have a similar service on their own mobile.

Most would do with high end phones tho.

> Might be the conspiracy to get people to spend
> ****loads on internet data charges, perhaps...

Dunno, the AT&T plan is basically 'unlimited' data, so thats unlikely to be the reason.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:19:17 +1000 "Rod Speed"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > Something I just found out about the iPhone - it apparently doesn't
> > do MMS'ing.
>
> Yeah, its weirdly limited.
>
> Not clear if that is because the 'designers' have never designed a
> mobile phone before or whether they are just terminal ****wits with
> stupid ideas.


Situation is they are probably ignorant Septics.

Even texting by sms seems hard for them to do.

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yeah, I dont actually use 3G much at all, but do want to for when I do.
>


Only use is for farmers to download hi-speed porn, eh "Roddles the luddite"?

Alan Poxington <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

>> Yeah, I dont actually use 3G much at all, but do want to for when I do.

> Only use is for farmers to download hi-speed porn,

Never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that, ****wit.

Time you slashed your wrists, bot.

Rod Speed wrote...

> And then they realise they dont have the email address.

Yep, particularly if you're trying to send the photo to their phone...

> > And that costs more money and requires the recipient to either be
> > at their computer or to have a similar service on their own mobile.
>
> Most would do with high end phones tho.

I wonder. How many of these phones automatically receive emails without having
to get it to log in to retrieve email? My Palm Treo 750 was like that. It could
do it automatically, but you're paying charges, or you could configure it so it
would only log in when you manually commanded it to.

Is the Blackberry an "always connected" phone for email and the like?

> > Might be the conspiracy to get people to spend
> > ****loads on internet data charges, perhaps...
>
> Dunno, the AT&T plan is basically 'unlimited' data, so thats unlikely to be the reason.

That'd be handy. But here in Oz, they seem to think that the electrical impulses
or light flashes that go down the fibre optics are made of rare platinum with
gold flecks, so they charge accordingly.