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  1. #31
    Prilosec
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    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    My AppleFan friend:
    My phone has a microSD card (4GB) that cost $17.00, delivered. They are
    cheaper all the time. When you buy products from more than one company
    (ahem, like Apple) you tend to be able to get better prices. Oh yeah, my
    phone's cheap SD card can also store stuff like Tom Tom Navigator software
    so I have a REAL gps unit, not some GPS-A thing tied to an internet connect
    using Google maps (which does pathetic routing compared to a real GPS unit).
    By the way, my Windows Mobile phone (xv6800--replaced a 6700) gets super
    battery life and it can take that one out and put in a spare if I want to.
    Can also charge it nearly anywhere via a USP connector. MANY advantages of
    some other phones over the iPhone, so you might want to try an objective
    look around, if that is possible.
    "4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:2f5aaab7-b15a-4350-8cb8-b47394d14b05@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
    On Jun 22, 10:30 am, 4iFone <[email protected]> wrote:
    > This CDMA iPhone wanabee probably eats batteries but you can buy
    > extras and carry them in your pocket.
    >
    > http://micro-sd-memory.blogspot.com/...tinct-with-hap...
    > Sunday, June 22, 2008
    > Samsung Instinct with Haptic Feedback: Yes it is iPhone Killer
    >
    > The Samsung Instinct is the most impressive iPhone 3G alternative
    > we’ve seen so far. It offers haptic feedback (small vibrations in
    > response to touches), 3G, GPS, 2-megapixel camera with video
    > recording, full e-mail and web browsing capabilities, and much more!
    > The Instinct runs on Sprint’s EV-DO Rev A high-speed network.
    >
    > This remarkable smartphone features full QWERTY touchpad in landscape
    > format for faster typing… but, forget about typing. With Speech to
    > Action feature, all you have to do is say “search” and ask for “coffee
    > shops” or “pizza” or whatever you are looking for.
    >
    > With the the help of built-in GPS capabilities, the Instinct will
    > quickly locate results near you. It will even give you direction via
    > Windows Live Maps. You can use speech commands for pretty much
    > anything you do - from texting, email sending, news searching, weather
    > info requests, traffic inquiries, and more. With Mobile Sync you can
    > always sync your phone to the Sprint website and back up all your
    > important data. When your battery runs low, simply change it. The
    > Samsung Instinct comes with 2 standard batteries in the box, so you
    > just switch them out while you charge the other.
    >
    > With Stereo Bluetooth Profiles, you can stream your audio to a stereo
    > Bluetooth headset complete with Call Announce. A very important
    > feature is ability to multi-task. For example, you can listen to music
    > while you browse the web, and you can pause your tunes when a call
    > comes through.
    >
    > A 2GB microSD card is included, plus the Samsung Instinct can hold up
    > to 8GB of external memory. You can use your memory to shoot, store,
    > and share pictures and videos with 2.0 MP camera and camcorder. All
    > images and videos can be viewed in thumbail mode or can be scrolled
    > though larger previews with filmstrip mode.
    >
    > Customizable favorites allow you to easily drag-and-drop applications
    > in the order you want them. This feature comes handy when you want
    > your most-used features to be placed front and center.
    >
    > Sprint Power Vision Services include Sprint TV Enabled, Sprint Mobile
    > Email, Spring Navigation, Sprint PCS Picture Mail, Sprint Music Store,
    > games, screen savers, and more. Most importantly, you can watch TV on-
    > the-go, quickly download your favorite music, and check your E-mail,
    > whether it’s corporate, POP3 or online service.
    >
    > On Friday, Samsung Electronics began selling its touch-screen Instinct
    > handset for $70 cheaper than Apple’s iPhone 3G. The newest smartphone
    > is offered by Sprint Nextel for $130 after rebate. Sprint has said it
    > will spend more than $100 million to market the touch-screen Instinct
    > in hopes the cellphone can recover from steep customer losses.
    >
    > What’s in the box? The Samsung Instinct includes: M800 Handset with
    > battery cover, 2GB microSD card (inserted into phone), 2 standard
    > batteries, battery cell charger, AC charger, chargeable USB cable,
    > 3.5mm stereo headphones with microphone, microSD memory card adapter
    > for use with PCs, stylus packed in mini leather case, and printed
    > materials with CD.


    How does that compare to the $300 16 GB iPhone? Wait, you can not buy
    a 16GB micro sd card so this will never be a 16GB Instinct.

    So compare that to a $200 8 GB iPhone. You pay $130 to Sprint and then
    add an 8 GB sd card for $50 to $80 which takes this gem to $180 to
    $210.

    Then you have to worry about the sd card getting ejected and lost so
    you have to buy another one again.

    Samsung should have just included the memory to start with like Apple
    does. Now does Sprint email work with Yahoo, HotMail or GMail like the
    plain Jane iPhone does? Do you get true HTML email or plain text?

    Do they give you a bag to carry all that extra hadware in that is
    needed to keep the instinct running during the day?

    Does it even sync with iTunes or does it sync OTA with Sprint or that
    Micorsoft WinMo cludge for Sync to a PC?

    What is the end user experience - all promise ending in frustration?





    See More: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint




  2. #32
    Larry
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    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    nospam <[email protected]> wrote in news:040720081923158325%
    [email protected]lid:

    > the iphone has 8 or 16 gig built-in, with no need to buy extra cards
    > and swap among them. granted, one can't have more memory than what is
    > built-in (at least until there's a 32 gig version released), but most
    > people don't need that much memory in a phone. for those who do, there
    > are obviously alternatives.
    >
    >


    I agree with you, fully. The FruitFone has no need of memory, at the
    moment. You're not allowed to run anything on it that will need memory,
    except now for the new mapping software which is going to need memory to
    store maps, POIs, routes, etc.....unless Jobs has that net-based, too.

    Because it's just a sellphone, not a real computer, much memory and the
    ability to change it at will, is unnecessary.

    I've configured an 8GB SDHC card I used to use for tablet storage before I
    got the 16GB cards, to be the boot and storage memory for Google Android on
    my N800. If I don't want to play with Android, I'll leave out the card.

    .....at least I have choices....(c;




  3. #33
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    In article <[email protected]>, Prilosec
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > My AppleFan friend:
    > My phone has a microSD card (4GB) that cost $17.00, delivered. They are
    > cheaper all the time.


    the iphone has 8 or 16 gig built-in, with no need to buy extra cards
    and swap among them. granted, one can't have more memory than what is
    built-in (at least until there's a 32 gig version released), but most
    people don't need that much memory in a phone. for those who do, there
    are obviously alternatives.

    > When you buy products from more than one company
    > (ahem, like Apple) you tend to be able to get better prices. Oh yeah, my
    > phone's cheap SD card can also store stuff like Tom Tom Navigator software


    tomtom has announced navigation software for the iphone already.

    > so I have a REAL gps unit, not some GPS-A thing tied to an internet connect
    > using Google maps (which does pathetic routing compared to a real GPS unit).


    the 3g iphone has a real gps, not one which is tied to the internet.

    > By the way, my Windows Mobile phone (xv6800--replaced a 6700) gets super
    > battery life and it can take that one out and put in a spare if I want to.


    the vast majority of cellphone users only have one battery and never
    need a spare.

    > Can also charge it nearly anywhere via a USP connector.


    i don't know what a 'usp' connector is, but if you mean usb, the iphone
    charges off usb.

    > MANY advantages of
    > some other phones over the iPhone, so you might want to try an objective
    > look around, if that is possible.


    in order to be objective, one must first have the facts correct.



  4. #34
    Larry
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    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    nospam <[email protected]> wrote in news:050720080054003094%
    [email protected]lid:

    > it most definitely is a real computer, and one which runs unix. it
    > also comes with 4 (now discontinued), 8, 16 or 32 gig (in the case of
    > the ipod touch) of memory.
    >


    GREAT! Take your FruitFone to:

    http://xournal.sourceforge.net/

    Xournal is a Unix/Linux program that's really cool!

    Install it on your Unix FruitFone for me. Take a picture of the display
    on it and post it to alt.binaries.pictures.ocean a dead newsgroup
    noone cares about. I'll be watching for the picture.

    Then, go to:

    http://www.abisource.com/

    and install the Linux/Unix version of Abiword, a better word processor
    than Micro$oft Word, which is more freeware.

    Take a picture of Abiword on the FruitFone screen with any document
    loaded into it and post it to alt.binaries.pictures.ocean, too.

    Let us all see how much Unix software that little Sellphone can run.
    There are just two of them....common ones anyone can use. You should
    have no trouble installing them from the FruitFone's Application
    Manager. They're just normal tarball files it will be able to download
    and install.

    We'll all be waiting for your postings!

    I know FruitFone owners who would sell you their children in trade for
    rdesktop running on the FruitFone:
    http://www.rdesktop.org/
    so they could use the FruitFone, the new BUSINESS TOOL, to call into
    Remote Desktop on their office computers to do BUSINESS THINGS....

    Install it on yours. All these programs are quite tiny, so you have
    plenty of memory on a 4GB FruitFone to install and store them. That
    won't be any problem at all.

    OK, feed us some more horse**** for tonight. Very entertaining....




  5. #35
    David Friedman
    Guest

    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    In article <050720081329587530%[email protected]>,
    nospam <[email protected]> wrote:


    > there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms.
    > pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what
    > works for them.


    Is there currently a good way of using the iPhone as a word
    processor/book reading device? That's one of the things I want a
    smartphone for.

    When the 3G iPhone was announced, there was an announcement from a firm
    that apparently had a sort of office suite for it, but I don't know if
    they have actually delivered or not.

    (googling around) Possibly Glide OS 3.0?

    --
    http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
    Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
    Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now



  6. #36
    Larry
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    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    nospam <[email protected]> wrote in news:050720081329587530%
    [email protected]lid:

    > In article <[email protected]>, Larry
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> GREAT! Take your FruitFone to:
    >>
    >> http://xournal.sourceforge.net/
    >>
    >> Xournal is a Unix/Linux program that's really cool!
    >>
    >> http://www.abisource.com/
    >>
    >> and install the Linux/Unix version of Abiword, a better word

    processor
    >> than Micro$oft Word, which is more freeware.

    >
    > the iphone is not intended to replace a desktop or laptop computer.
    > while those apps might be able to be ported, there really isn't much
    > point.


    We don't need these deflections. YOU said the FruitFone was a UNIX
    COMPUTER, not I. I was suggesting you INSTALL some unix/linux freeware
    that is very useful, even on the FruitFone, for free!

    The REAL point is YOU CAN'T...because it's not a computer, especially a
    "Unix computer". All Unix computers I ever saw had installable
    applications stored on some kind of memory device and ran code to do
    useful things the administrator had installed. FruitFones do neither.

    > there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms.
    > pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what
    > works for them.


    What the hell is this deflection supposed to mean? All I asked you to
    do is to install some tiny unix/linux apps anyone can download for free,
    boot them up and take a picture of the screen of the FruitFone and post
    the picture so we can verify that, in fact, the softwares were running
    on a FruitFone, cracked or not. Then, using the FruitFone's application
    manager again, you simply uninstall them and go about your miserable
    life. It's really quite simple!

    >
    >> I know FruitFone owners who would sell you their children in trade

    for
    >> rdesktop running on the FruitFone:
    >> http://www.rdesktop.org/

    >
    > vnc already has been ported.
    >
    >> so they could use the FruitFone, the new BUSINESS TOOL, to call into
    >> Remote Desktop on their office computers to do BUSINESS THINGS....

    >
    > yep, some people do just that.
    >


    Interesting. I've never seen one piece of evidence or picture of VNC
    running on a FruitFone, even disconnected from any useful system. I'd
    think Jobs would be waving the FruitFlag in shock and awe at the
    business community if the damned thing ran even a piece of VNC business
    could use.....but there's NOTHING....(crickets chirping in a deserted
    drivein)....




  7. #37
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    In article <[email protected]>, Larry
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >> http://xournal.sourceforge.net/
    > >>
    > >> Xournal is a Unix/Linux program that's really cool!
    > >>
    > >> http://www.abisource.com/
    > >>
    > >> and install the Linux/Unix version of Abiword, a better word

    > processor
    > >> than Micro$oft Word, which is more freeware.

    > >
    > > the iphone is not intended to replace a desktop or laptop computer.
    > > while those apps might be able to be ported, there really isn't much
    > > point.

    >
    > We don't need these deflections. YOU said the FruitFone was a UNIX
    > COMPUTER, not I.


    actually, apple did.

    > I was suggesting you INSTALL some unix/linux freeware
    > that is very useful, even on the FruitFone, for free!


    and i'm suggesting that it's silly to make the iphone do things that
    it's not well suited to do. if word processing is important, then
    there are better devices to use. but if one really wants to install
    unix freeware, there's nothing stopping them from doing so.

    > The REAL point is YOU CAN'T...because it's not a computer, especially a
    > "Unix computer".


    then what is it?

    > All Unix computers I ever saw had installable
    > applications stored on some kind of memory device and ran code to do
    > useful things the administrator had installed. FruitFones do neither.


    iphones definitely can have applications installed. what ever gave you
    the idea they could not?

    > > there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms.
    > > pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what
    > > works for them.

    >
    > What the hell is this deflection supposed to mean?


    it means that if something doesn't do what you want, buy something else.

    why must one device satisfy the needs of everyone?

    > >> I know FruitFone owners who would sell you their children in trade

    > for
    > >> rdesktop running on the FruitFone:
    > >> http://www.rdesktop.org/

    > >
    > > vnc already has been ported.

    >
    > Interesting. I've never seen one piece of evidence or picture of VNC
    > running on a FruitFone, even disconnected from any useful system.


    <http://code.google.com/p/vnsea/>



  8. #38
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    In article <[email protected]>, David
    Friedman <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <050720081329587530%[email protected]>,
    > nospam <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    > > there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms.
    > > pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what
    > > works for them.

    >
    > Is there currently a good way of using the iPhone as a word
    > processor/book reading device? That's one of the things I want a
    > smartphone for.


    the iphone isn't really ideal for word processing, nevertheless, there
    are two (so far) of which i am aware: zoho and goffice. as for book
    reading, there are several ebooks already available, and i'm sure more
    will become available in the future.

    > When the 3G iPhone was announced, there was an announcement from a firm
    > that apparently had a sort of office suite for it, but I don't know if
    > they have actually delivered or not.


    i hadn't heard that, but with the apps store opening next week, i'm
    sure there will be more info.



  9. #39
    Larry
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    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    David Friedman <[email protected]> wrote in news:ddfr-
    [email protected]:

    > In article <050720081329587530%[email protected]>,
    > nospam <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >> there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other

    platforms.
    >> pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what
    >> works for them.

    >
    > Is there currently a good way of using the iPhone as a word
    > processor/book reading device? That's one of the things I want a
    > smartphone for.
    >
    > When the 3G iPhone was announced, there was an announcement from a

    firm
    > that apparently had a sort of office suite for it, but I don't know if
    > they have actually delivered or not.
    >
    > (googling around) Possibly Glide OS 3.0?
    >


    David, the FruitFone has no I/O other than what the carrier wants to
    sell you. Its USB port simply isn't implemented to transfer user files
    to/from other systems and the port is incapable of being put in host
    mode so the FruitFone could act like a real computer, to output the word
    processed document to a printer, for instance. It's bluetooth
    capability is also hobbled up which prevents you from using a bluetooth
    connection to a BT printer or other computer for document output,
    storage and printing. Your choice is to email it in and out, or
    possibly if it's allowed and supported, move it in and out through the
    awful itunes syncronizer nannybot.

    Ebooks are probably way too big for emailing. I'm not sure how big a
    file you can move over FruitTunes, but I suspect the carrier, hell bent
    on limiting data transfers to devices they control to boost profits,
    will have a low limit or tolerance for huge file transfers.

    For ebooks on the move, I'd suggest a Nokia N800 Linux tablet (around
    $200). Put your ebooks on any sized SD card you may already have and
    plug it into the handy external SD card slot located in a little
    magnetic door under the stand/handle below the display. Then,
    automatically install Evnice, the Linux document viewer:
    http://www.gnome.org/projects/evince/
    The Maemo OS2008 port of it is free from:
    http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/evince/
    Its reviews are posted there, too.
    The N800's big SD cards (mine are both 16GB) have massive storage for a
    large range of ebooks/mags/etc. Not limited to just one card, because
    the SD cards are all hot-swappable (just open the door which
    automatically dismounts them from Linux, pull out the card and plug in
    another, close the little door which mounts the new card as a new drive
    automatically), you can carry your entire library of books in a watch
    pocket in your jeans....an immense library anywhere you go.

    Of course, you'll need to make margin notes, highlight text with your
    yellow highlighter and be able to make any kind of hand drawings on
    those PDF ebooks, I suppose. So, you'll need Xournal, another great
    Linux program ported to the Maemo platform:
    http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/xournal/
    http://anidel.blogspot.com/search/label/xournal
    http://xournal.sourceforge.net/

    I have a friend who is involved in major building construction for a
    major contractor. His whole company has fallen in love with Xournal
    since I set him up with it. There he stands on top of a building with a
    troublesome AC unit, let's say. He emails his secretary back at the
    office to send him the required drawings and schematic in PDF form for
    this unit. She emails them to him. He boots the PDF into Xournal and
    makes notes and drawings on the very drawings for the unit, highlighting
    the parts needed from the parts list with any notations their
    procurement people may need to assemble the needed parts.....then
    Xournal creates a new layered PDF file with all his drawings and notes
    on it to email back to the office for resolution. As he still has the
    original, unannotated drawings she originally sent him, further
    notations and layers can be added for further clarification....right on
    the drawings......all done from a little Linux tablet up on the roof of
    a 42 story building over a sellphone or wifi without lugging the laptop
    out of the truck, or going down to the truck in the lot.

    Xournal is now one of the most-downloaded apps for the Nokia tablets,
    right up there with Maemo Mapper (like having GPS connected Google Earth
    in your pocket with full vehicle tracking) and the snazziest media
    players like Canola 2.

    For word processing, nothing beats Abiword, a part of Open Office Suite
    on Linux. Abiword is freeware from thousands of coders working on it
    for years. You can run Abiword on:

    AbiWord: Supported Platforms

    Here's a list of platforms that AbiWord currently supports:

    * BeOS (Intel)
    * FreeBSD (Intel)
    * Linux (Intel)
    * Linux (PowerPC)
    * MacOSX (10.2 and higher)
    * Microsoft Windows 95
    * Microsoft Windows 98
    * Microsoft Windows NT
    * Microsoft Windows 2000
    * Microsoft Windows ME
    * Microsoft Windows XP
    * NetBSD
    * QNX (Neutrino)
    * Unix (Generic)

    and now it has been ported to the Nokia N8xx Linux internet tablets:
    https://garage.maemo.org/projects/abiword/
    This project is in Beta 4 since January, but it works really good.
    Chinook is OS2008, which is a free upgrade from Nokia for the N800 so it
    runs N810 code. OS2007 is bora, but everyone is upgrading to
    OS2008...soon to have another major revision with even more new toys
    free.

    What's neat about Abiword is all the cross platform support. You can
    run the same word processor on Mac, Windows, Linux and your tablet,
    without all the conversions and nonsense....for free! Even though the
    Maemo Abiword isn't complete, most of its functions work very well.
    Onscreen typing sucks, however, but that is easily cured with the
    addition of the Nokia folding Bluetooth keyboard, a nearly full sized
    QWERTY keyboard with queer, but usable, 3rd function that takes some
    getting used to. The top row functions as the number/character row with
    an Fn key toggle that slows you down, some. The N810 keyboard is a
    thumb keyboard and nearly useless for typing real documents. Both the
    N800 and folding keyboard fit in a Case Logic laptop hard drive carrying
    case like a glove. There's even room for a second Li-Ion battery for
    the N800 and a few memory cards in the case if you're careful...a very
    compact useful PC when Bluetooth DUN tethered to your Sellphone as a
    modem.

    FruitFones my ass.....nothing but a controlled toy and box office!




  10. #40
    David Friedman
    Guest

    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

    > David Friedman <[email protected]> wrote in news:ddfr-
    > [email protected]:
    >
    > > In article <050720081329587530%[email protected]>,
    > > nospam <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >> there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other

    > platforms.
    > >> pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what
    > >> works for them.

    > >
    > > Is there currently a good way of using the iPhone as a word
    > > processor/book reading device? That's one of the things I want a
    > > smartphone for.
    > >
    > > When the 3G iPhone was announced, there was an announcement from a

    > firm
    > > that apparently had a sort of office suite for it, but I don't know if
    > > they have actually delivered or not.
    > >
    > > (googling around) Possibly Glide OS 3.0?
    > >

    >
    > David, the FruitFone has no I/O other than what the carrier wants to
    > sell you. Its USB port simply isn't implemented to transfer user files
    > to/from other systems and the port is incapable of being put in host
    > mode so the FruitFone could act like a real computer, to output the word
    > processed document to a printer, for instance. It's bluetooth
    > capability is also hobbled up which prevents you from using a bluetooth
    > connection to a BT printer or other computer for document output,
    > storage and printing. Your choice is to email it in and out, or
    > possibly if it's allowed and supported, move it in and out through the
    > awful itunes syncronizer nannybot.
    >
    > Ebooks are probably way too big for emailing.


    That is not the case. I routinely email people the full text of books,
    and receive the full text of books in email. It would be a little slower
    with a 3G iPhone, since I gather it's slower than the broadband
    connection I usually use, but still entirely doable.

    Having to use email to get material in and out would be a minor
    nuisance, but only a minor one.

    > I'm not sure how big a
    > file you can move over FruitTunes, but I suspect the carrier, hell bent
    > on limiting data transfers to devices they control to boost profits,
    > will have a low limit or tolerance for huge file transfers.


    The text of a book isn't a huge file. A short novel, even in Word, is
    less than a meg.

    > For ebooks on the move, I'd suggest a Nokia N800 Linux tablet (around
    > $200).


    Which isn't a cell phone and doesn't connect to the web unless you
    happen to have WiFi access. It's also a little big for the pocket,
    although not unusably so. What I want is a pocket sized device that
    combines phone, web appliance, and pda, with the pda used in part for
    reading and light editing of books--marking things I want to change in
    my own manuscripts. The iPhone seems pretty good for the first two
    purposes, although a higher resolution screen and a physical keyboard
    would be nice, and I was wondering how much of the third could be
    squeezed into it.
    ....

    > Of course, you'll need to make margin notes, highlight text with your
    > yellow highlighter and be able to make any kind of hand drawings on
    > those PDF ebooks, I suppose. So, you'll need Xournal, another great
    > Linux program ported to the Maemo platform:


    I don't use pdf. I generally use Word or the equivalent--my Nokia 9300,
    which is my current cell phone, will read and write word compatible
    files.

    ....

    > For word processing, nothing beats Abiword, a part of Open Office Suite
    > on Linux. Abiword is freeware from thousands of coders working on it
    > for years. You can run Abiword on:


    I currently run Open Office on my eee PC, under Linux. It's a nice
    machine, but it doesn't either fit in my pocket or connect to cellular
    networks.

    --
    http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
    Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
    Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now



  11. #41
    David Friedman
    Guest

    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    In article <050720081936437928%[email protected]>,
    nospam <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, David
    > Friedman <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > In article <050720081329587530%[email protected]>,
    > > nospam <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > > there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms.
    > > > pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what
    > > > works for them.

    > >
    > > Is there currently a good way of using the iPhone as a word
    > > processor/book reading device? That's one of the things I want a
    > > smartphone for.

    >
    > the iphone isn't really ideal for word processing, nevertheless, there
    > are two (so far) of which i am aware: zoho and goffice.


    I gather both of those keep the file on a web site somewhere, not in the
    iPhone. That may be the best alternative available, but I can't say I
    like it.

    > as for book
    > reading, there are several ebooks already available, and i'm sure more
    > will become available in the future.


    I'm not talking about buying eBooks in specialized formats. The books I
    read are generally either downloaded for free from Gutenberg as text,
    manuscripts of books I've written or am writing, or (occasionally) a
    manuscript I'm reviewing for a publisher. They are in either text or
    Word format.

    --
    http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
    Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
    Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now



  12. #42
    David Friedman
    Guest

    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    In article <050720081936427820%[email protected]>,
    nospam <[email protected]> wrote:

    > and i'm suggesting that it's silly to make the iphone do things that
    > it's not well suited to do. if word processing is important, then
    > there are better devices to use. but if one really wants to install
    > unix freeware, there's nothing stopping them from doing so.


    On the other hand, it's hard to understand why the iPhone isn't suited
    to do useful things that its hardware is easily capable of accomplishing.

    If it permitted connection to a bluetooth keyboard and contained, or let
    me install, a standard office suite--the equivalent of what I have on my
    Nokia 9300--I would probably have one already, and would almost
    certainly buy the 3G version when available. As both a customer and a
    stockholder, I think it reasonable to complain when a firm fails to
    include in a product features that I and many other customers would
    want, and that would cost almost nothing to include.

    The third feature I would like is the ability to use it as a WiFi modem
    to connect laptops to the web via the cell network. I can see at least
    one good reason for Apple not to provide that--it might substantially
    increase the amount of bandwidth used, which would be a cost for the
    cell provider. But even there, I would think it would make sense to
    provide it as a higher cost option--what AT&T currently does for people
    who want the ability to connect their laptops to the net via the AT&T
    cellular system.

    --
    http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
    Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
    Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now



  13. #43
    Charles
    Guest

    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    In article <[email protected]>, David
    Friedman <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Which isn't a cell phone and doesn't connect to the web unless you
    > happen to have WiFi access. It's also a little big for the pocket,
    > although not unusably so. What I want is a pocket sized device that
    > combines phone, web appliance, and pda, with the pda used in part for
    > reading and light editing of books--marking things I want to change in
    > my own manuscripts. The iPhone seems pretty good for the first two
    > purposes, although a higher resolution screen and a physical keyboard
    > would be nice, and I was wondering how much of the third could be
    > squeezed into it.


    Exactly the Nokia tablet is not a phone. It would not suit my purposes.
    I also want to be able to get e-mail where Wi-Fi is not available.
    Which means cell data. I want a pocket sized device like you describe
    plus one that is an iPod too, so I can dispense carrying that device
    around too. I checked out the Sprint device yesterday and it won't meet
    my needs. I am sure it will meet the needs of others. It is great there
    are choices. The iPhone seems to come the closest for me. But I am
    can't say for sure without owning one.

    No device is going to be perfect. Any device is going to have some
    compromise. My main concern is the touch screen keyboard. Right now I
    am leaning towards getting a 3G iPhone. I can buy one and try it during
    the 30 days return period to see if it meets my needs. I have no
    problem returning purchases that don't. I returned the Newton that I
    bought years ago that failed to meet my needs within the 30 day return
    period..

    These groups seem to be full of kooks who hate the iPhone for no
    rational reason, and full of kooks who love it for no rational reason.
    I will ignore them and rely on my own judgement.

    --
    Charles



  14. #44
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    David Friedman <[email protected]> wrote in news:ddfr-
    [email protected]:

    > The text of a book isn't a huge file. A short novel, even in Word, is
    > less than a meg.
    >
    >


    I suppose just text will fit. My ebooks are usually technical manuals,
    journals, technical books full of drawings and magazines. Magazines are
    the worst. A pdf of a magazine is from 15-50MB, easy! National Geographic
    is usually around 38MB every month. Email would croak...(c; Some mags like
    Scientific American at 5-7MB is doable in email.

    No thanks. I'd just rather pop the 16GB SDHC into the USB adapter and let
    the file manager copy them all over to one of the big cards marked ELIT. I
    don't have time to sit and choose and email like a snail, even on
    broadband. Besides, it would eat the battery doing all that downloading.
    And, many people, including FruitFone people need to save that 5GB/month
    limit for more useful things.






  15. #45
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

    David Friedman <[email protected]> wrote in news:ddfr-
    [email protected]:

    > I currently run Open Office on my eee PC, under Linux. It's a nice
    > machine, but it doesn't either fit in my pocket or connect to cellular
    > networks.
    >
    >


    The eee is a nice machine, but seems to lack the company-encouraged
    community of Linux hackers that Maemo created to support it with eee-
    enhanced freeware. I played with a couple, one at CompuZone that one of
    the techies had with him. He's trying to sell it, now, so he can buy an
    N800.

    The killer was the 4GB or 8GB "solid state disk" drive. I suppose you can
    plug in an SDHC card, but I seem to remember something about it didn't
    support a very big card, so I suppose you'll need a USB adapter for the big
    cards for storage sticking out the side. In a technology time where memory
    is just dirt cheap, that should have been 40GB and 80GB, not 4G and 8G.
    The OS and programs are tiny on Linux and that's not the problem....it's
    the storage for MEDIA that takes up so much space.




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