Beste Audio / rf Telefon für Cingular jetzt?

On 02 Apr 2007 16:09:55 -0500, t@toddh.net (H. Todd) schrieb:

>karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:48:33 GMT, John Navas
>>< spamfilter0@navasgroup.com > schrieb:
>>
>> >On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:28:44 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net schrieb
>> ><tqp21319fomupchtosm229fpcc8hltqs7e@4ax.com>:
>>>
>> >>I love my Sony/Ericsson w600i; soon to be replaced by an iPhone
>>>
>> >Still vaporware.
>>
>>
>> Your expertise is vaporware.
>
>Ad hominem aside, I'm not sure why one would argue against the fact
>that the iPhone could suck spectacularly, be horribly unreliable, or
>any number of gotchas.
>


28 years of Apple History ?

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On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:59:57 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net schrieb
<3mr2135purte62h5bpcnigv99ro21c344q@4ax.com>:

>On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:48:33 GMT, John Navas
><spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:28:44 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net schrieb
>><tqp21319fomupchtosm229fpcc8hltqs7e@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>I love my Sony/Ericsson w600i; soon to be replaced by an iPhone
>>
>>Still vaporware.
>
>Your expertise is vaporware.

In other words, you have nothing to offer in rebuttal, and so stoop to
ad hominem, thus conceding the debate. Thanks.

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Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:27:14 -0500, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net schrieb
<19t21313ouihtd28e0utm05amkj1dssvsn@4ax.com>:

>On 02 Apr 2007 16:09:55 -0500, t@toddh.net (H. Todd) schrieb:
>
>>karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net writes:
>>
>>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:48:33 GMT, John Navas
>>> <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:28:44 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net schrieb
>>> ><tqp21319fomupchtosm229fpcc8hltqs7e@4ax.com>:
>>> >
>>> >>I love my Sony/Ericsson w600i; soon to be replaced by an iPhone
>>> >
>>> >Still vaporware.
>>>
>>> Your expertise is vaporware.
>>
>>Ad hominem aside, I'm not sure why one would argue against the fact
>>that the iPhone could suck spectacularly, be horribly unreliable, or
>>any number of gotchas.
>
>28 years of Apple History ?

You mean:
* Apple III
* Lisa
* Taligent
* eWorld
* Pippin
* Opendoc
* Cyberdog
* Macintosh TV
* Macintosh Portable
* Puck mouse
* Newton
* Motorola ROKR
* G4 cube
* Copland
Did I miss any?

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Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net writes:

> On 02 Apr 2007 16:09:55 -0500, t@toddh.net (H. Todd) schrieb:
>
> >karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net writes:
> >
> >> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:48:33 GMT, John Navas
> >> <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:28:44 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net schrieb
> >> ><tqp21319fomupchtosm229fpcc8hltqs7e@4ax.com>:
> >> >
> >> >>I love my Sony/Ericsson w600i; soon to be replaced by an iPhone
> >> >
> >> >Still vaporware.
> >>
> >>
> >> Your expertise is vaporware.
> >
> >Ad hominem aside, I'm not sure why one would argue against the fact
> >that the iPhone could suck spectacularly, be horribly unreliable, or
> >any number of gotchas.
>
> 28 years of Apple History ?

Are you referring to the 28 years of history that includes the Apple
/// and Lisa computers? They've done well, but even they've screwed
the pooch a few times, and their iPod's while pervasive and popular
aren't exactly known for being the most reliable music players
available.

But I trust I've just called your baby 'possibly ugly' and will get
more heat than light in passionate responses.

My only point really was that your attack against John for his
pointing out a fact was pretty silly.

Best Regards,
-
Todd H.
http://toddh.net/

karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> 28 years of Apple History ?

Still, it seems a certainty that the 2nd generation iPhone will add many
of the missing features that have been pointed out by many reviewers.
Most glaring is the lack of HSDPA, the lack of tethering, and the lack
of a memory card slot. It seems as if they are rushing the first
generation out to get a jump on the similar products coming from other
manufacturers such as Samsung. It'd be best to wait for the second
generation.

Verizon passed on the iPhone, and Apple ended up with their second
choice which was Cingular. Was it because of the technical issues that
Verizon passed, or did they just not think that they could make money
with the terms Apple was asking for?

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:08:05 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <46118cd5$0$27177$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> 28 years of Apple History ?
>
>Still, it seems a certainty that the 2nd generation iPhone will add many
>of the missing features that have been pointed out by many reviewers.
>Most glaring is the lack of HSDPA, the lack of tethering, and the lack
>of a memory card slot. It seems as if they are rushing the first
>generation out to get a jump on the similar products coming from other
>manufacturers such as Samsung. It'd be best to wait for the second
>generation.
>
>Verizon passed on the iPhone, and Apple ended up with their second
>choice which was Cingular.

Verizon was actually outbid by Cingular, which is actually the best
option for Apple.

>Was it because of the technical issues that
>Verizon passed, or did they just not think that they could make money
>with the terms Apple was asking for?

It's because of your powerful imagination.

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Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

Thanks to all who replied telling of their experiences. There was
enough reassurance for me to give Motorola another shot--either the
Razr v3xx or the Krazr K1. Phonescoop had strong reviews for both as
well. I picked the Krazr K1 due to its smaller size and by god, I'm
happy so far. I got it at Wal-mart for $120ish with a 1yr contract
extension (beats the crap out the $200 on a 2yr extension that
Cingular.com wanted) and it came with a free 64k SIM that I accepted.
I was able to get the numbers off my old sim with "insert old sim,
copy to phone, swap in new sim, copy phone to sim" trick. All of the
things I freakin hated about the Razr V3 (slow reponse time, goofy 1
letter non-progressive addressbook search, lousy speakerphone, lousy
volume) are absent in the Krazr. The speakerphone rocks. Audio on
the calls I have made so far has been very very clear. I'll wait to
get more calls under my belt before I talk about reception and drop
performance but so far so good on day 1. And, though it wasn't
important to me, I do have to say the ability or a relatively new dad
to have a clear camera and surprisingly good video capture ability on
the phone for gloating is pretty novel.


I was also very happy with the service at Wal Mart. No on-commission
drone trying to add a bunch of crap to my account that I didn't want.
She was well informed, answered the questions I had and had the phone
ready to go with a minimum of fuss.


Best Regards,
Todd


t@toddh.net (Todd H.) writes:
> Greets,
>
> I'm elgible for another phone finally and would like a recommendation.
> Audio quality is my top concern. Features wise, I do want bluetooth
> headset capability. A usable speakerphone would be a great plus.
> Flip would be handy, but not essential. Camera I can take or leave.
>
> Aktuelle Handys, die ich benutzt habe:
>
> Nokia 3120b
> -----------
> Really like this one--it still works great, but I just wish it had
> Bluetooth. Its speakerphone is very clear and usable, and call
> fade/dropping is less of a problem with this phone than with any
> others I've used recently. If there's a reasonbly direct descendant
> of this phone that adds bluetooth and perhaps a flip, I'm in!
>
> Nokia 6061
> ----------
> It's ok, but not nearly as good RF/audio wise as the 3120b. This bums
> me a bit since I would prefer a flip form factor, but I'm not willing
> to sacrifice much call quality to get there. A family member on my
> plan has this basic Nokia flip-phone followon to the 3120b but doesn't
> seem to be as strong RF wise -- from the same location, its signal and
> audio quality are noticeably inferior to the 3120b and even dare I say
> the Razr v3. When I call the family member when they're at that
> location, it's bad enough that I use their landline. Their 6061 is
> too annoyingly ratty there unless they're standing outside.
>
> Moto Razr v3 (das Original)
> ---------------------------
> Disappointing. I've been using this for the past few months inherited
> from a friend. Pros: bluetooth capability, and the tiny form factor.
> Cons for me: battery life with bluetooth is abysmal, software is
> annoyingly slow to respond to key presses, and I can't stand the
> jump-to-first-letter-only addressbook having to scroll through a bunch
> of M's to get "Munson" for instance (or having to outthink it and
> scroll to N and go back). Dropped calls worse than any other phone
> I've personally had, I hear an audible buzz from the LCD in letzter Zeit zwar
> using the phone alone (fine with bluetooth though), and its
> speakerphone is god awful distorted to the point I don't ever want to
> use it. The only good things about this phone are the Bluetooth
> capability and the form factor/build feel which is solid. My Nokia
> 3120b is the same age but has none of these issues. finally I had to
> abandon it when the red call end/power button failed weeks ago, and
> the phone rebooted itself yesterday. Without the power button
> functioning, there's no way to power it on. Heh... Ah well.
>
> Have the Razr's gotten better on any of these realms? The Razr was
> quite a radical new phone in the original v3, and one would hope that
> a lot of these bugs were resolved in current models? Or is it
> hoffnungslos?
>
> Motorola v400
> -------------
> Meh. I tried a used Motorola v400 for a bit. It was just okay as
> well. It was pretty old and beat up though and finally quit working,
> but I wasn't thrilled with it while it lasted either. It wasn't as
> good as my 3120b, and its addressbook was just as annoying as the
> Razr. Its battery life was so so but better than the Razr as well.
> But, it died and stopped accepting battery charges.
>
>
> I'd welcome any suggestions of current models that have impressed
> Leute!
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> Todd H.
> http://toddh.net/

-
-
Todd H.
http://toddh.net/

I've now got a couple weeks under my belt with the phone, including
roaming in Germany, Austria, and briefly in London and this phone
still kicks ass. Battery life has been superb, and call quality and
speaker phone intelligibility has met my rather anal retentive audio
desires. My favorite phone I've had! The only annoyance I've found
is that the speakerphone does indeed still end the call if you close
the flip (silliness!).

As a bonus, nowhere I went in Bavaria or Austria had me wanting for
signal either.

As much as I expected Motorola to fall on their face based on my prior
Motorola experience on Cingular, I've gotta hand it to em that the
Krazr has the goods. And it's a hell of a deal at Wal Mart for $87 or
$127 with a 2 or 1 year extension respectively.

If yer looking for a phone, give it a look...it's made me a happier
Cingular customer.

Best Regards,
Todd



t@toddh.net (Todd H.) writes:
> Thanks to all who replied telling of their experiences. There was
> enough reassurance for me to give Motorola another shot--either the
> Razr v3xx or the Krazr K1. Phonescoop had strong reviews for both as
> well. I picked the Krazr K1 due to its smaller size and by god, I'm
> happy so far. I got it at Wal-mart for $120ish with a 1yr contract
> extension (beats the crap out the $200 on a 2yr extension that
> Cingular.com wanted) and it came with a free 64k SIM that I accepted.
> I was able to get the numbers off my old sim with "insert old sim,
> copy to phone, swap in new sim, copy phone to sim" trick. All of the
> things I freakin hated about the Razr V3 (slow reponse time, goofy 1
> letter non-progressive addressbook search, lousy speakerphone, lousy
> volume) are absent in the Krazr. The speakerphone rocks. Audio on
> the calls I have made so far has been very very clear. I'll wait to
> get more calls under my belt before I talk about reception and drop
> performance but so far so good on day 1. And, though it wasn't
> important to me, I do have to say the ability or a relatively new dad
> to have a clear camera and surprisingly good video capture ability on
> the phone for gloating is pretty novel.
>
>
> I was also very happy with the service at Wal Mart. No on-commission
> drone trying to add a bunch of crap to my account that I didn't want.
> She was well informed, answered the questions I had and had the phone
> ready to go with a minimum of fuss.
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Todd
>
>
> t@toddh.net (Todd H.) writes:
> > Greets,
> >
> > I'm elgible for another phone finally and would like a recommendation.
> > Audio quality is my top concern. Features wise, I do want bluetooth
> > headset capability. A usable speakerphone would be a great plus.
> > Flip would be handy, but not essential. Camera I can take or leave.
> >
> > Recent phones I've used:
> >
> > Nokia 3120b
> > -----------
> > Really like this one--it still works great, but I just wish it had
> > Bluetooth. Its speakerphone is very clear and usable, and call
> > fade/dropping is less of a problem with this phone than with any
> > others I've used recently. If there's a reasonbly direct descendant
> > of this phone that adds bluetooth and perhaps a flip, I'm in!
> >
> > Nokia 6061
> > ----------
> > It's ok, but not nearly as good RF/audio wise as the 3120b. This bums
> > me a bit since I would prefer a flip form factor, but I'm not willing
> > to sacrifice much call quality to get there. A family member on my
> > plan has this basic Nokia flip-phone followon to the 3120b but doesn't
> > seem to be as strong RF wise -- from the same location, its signal and
> > audio quality are noticeably inferior to the 3120b and even dare I say
> > the Razr v3. When I call the family member when they're at that
> > location, it's bad enough that I use their landline. Their 6061 is
> > too annoyingly ratty there unless they're standing outside.
> >
> > Moto Razr v3 (the original)
> > ---------------------------
> > Disappointing. I've been using this for the past few months inherited
> > from a friend. Pros: bluetooth capability, and the tiny form factor.
> > Cons for me: battery life with bluetooth is abysmal, software is
> > annoyingly slow to respond to key presses, and I can't stand the
> > jump-to-first-letter-only addressbook having to scroll through a bunch
> > of M's to get "Munson" for instance (or having to outthink it and
> > scroll to N and go back). Dropped calls worse than any other phone
> > I've personally had, I hear an audible buzz from the LCD in letzter Zeit zwar
> > using the phone alone (fine with bluetooth though), and its
> > speakerphone is god awful distorted to the point I don't ever want to
> > use it. The only good things about this phone are the Bluetooth
> > capability and the form factor/build feel which is solid. My Nokia
> > 3120b is the same age but has none of these issues. finally I had to
> > abandon it when the red call end/power button failed weeks ago, and
> > the phone rebooted itself yesterday. Without the power button
> > functioning, there's no way to power it on. Heh... Ah well.
> >
> > Have the Razr's gotten better on any of these realms? The Razr was
> > quite a radical new phone in the original v3, and one would hope that
> > a lot of these bugs were resolved in current models? Or is it
> > hopeless?
> >
> > Motorola v400
> > -------------
> > Meh. I tried a used Motorola v400 for a bit. It was just okay as
> > well. It was pretty old and beat up though and finally quit working,
> > but I wasn't thrilled with it while it lasted either. It wasn't as
> > good as my 3120b, and its addressbook was just as annoying as the
> > Razr. Its battery life was so so but better than the Razr as well.
> > But, it died and stopped accepting battery charges.
> >
> >
> > I'd welcome any suggestions of current models that have impressed
> > folks!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > --
> > Todd H.
> > http://toddh.net/
>
> --
> --
> Todd H.
> http://toddh.net/