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  1. #1
    Mij Adyaw
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    How do we really know that Cingular is taking share from Sprint and Verizon?
    A Cingular dealer will say that, however, a Sprint dealer will say that
    Sprint rules and that all other carriers drool. Therefore, we need to take
    most of this stuff with a grain of salt and choose the cell phone provider
    that works the best in the areas that we work, play, travel, and live.

    We all know that Verizon is the best because "it's the Network". Only
    kidding... This kind of stuff is proof that we are drinking way too much
    KoolAid!

    p.s. Also be aware that there are shills in this here newsgroup. The shills
    are on the payroll of the Cellular carriers or they are resellers of the
    cellular service and one of their goals is to get you to switch providers to
    the company that they are a shill for. Therefore, be carefull not to drink
    the KoolAid and watch out for the Shills.


    "John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
    news:b7m8b2prhpt3ubl20jokng08laomjtr7a5@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:28:16 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    > wrote in <44b3dfb2$0$96151$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
    >
    >>Anon E. Muss wrote:
    >>
    >>> Not when you factor in the tri-mode phones that support D-AMPS. In
    >>> that case, carriers that support it (e.g., Verizon and Sprint) "edge
    >>> out" Cingular.

    >>
    >>Even with all-digital, Cingular has some big gaps in the tri-valley area
    >>where Verizon has good coverage.

    >
    > Cingular actually has much better coverage in the Tri-Valley part of the
    > SF Bay Area than Verizon.
    >
    >>Verizon has gotten a lot of new
    >>customers in that area from people that I know, [SNIP]

    >
    > Dealers I've talked to say that Cingular is taking share from other
    > carriers, particularly Sprint, but also Verizon.
    >
    > --
    > Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    > John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>






    See More: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular



  2. #2
    SMS
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    Mij Adyaw wrote:
    > How do we really know that Cingular is taking share from Sprint and Verizon?
    > A Cingular dealer will say that, however, a Sprint dealer will say that
    > Sprint rules and that all other carriers drool. Therefore, we need to take
    > most of this stuff with a grain of salt and choose the cell phone provider
    > that works the best in the areas that we work, play, travel, and live.


    You can look at the net additions from quarter to quarter to see who is
    gaining market share and who is losing it.

    Look at "http://www.cellular-news.com/story/18056.php"

    Verizon is gaining market share, Sprint and Cingular are losing market
    share at about an equal rate, and T-Mobile is losing market share at a
    rapid rate.

    It doesn't really matter what the dealers say, the actual numbers are
    public.



  3. #3
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:04:45 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote in <44b474e1$0$96195$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

    >Mij Adyaw wrote:
    >> How do we really know that Cingular is taking share from Sprint and Verizon?
    >> A Cingular dealer will say that, however, a Sprint dealer will say that
    >> Sprint rules and that all other carriers drool. Therefore, we need to take
    >> most of this stuff with a grain of salt and choose the cell phone provider
    >> that works the best in the areas that we work, play, travel, and live.

    >
    >You can look at the net additions from quarter to quarter to see who is
    >gaining market share and who is losing it.
    >
    >Look at "http://www.cellular-news.com/story/18056.php"
    >
    >Verizon is gaining market share, Sprint and Cingular are losing market
    >share at about an equal rate, and T-Mobile is losing market share at a
    >rapid rate.
    >
    >It doesn't really matter what the dealers say, the actual numbers are
    >public.


    But only on an aggregate basis by quarter, in arrears, so they don't say
    anything about the area in question or even the time period in question.
    In addition, these shifts in market share are quite small and erratic in
    relative terms. And Cingular remains the largest carrier, contrary to
    your many forecasts and efforts to spin it otherwise.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  4. #4
    Mij Adyaw
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    This simply means that folks are swallowing the Verizon Marketing. That's
    all there is to it. Drinkin the Koolaid.

    "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
    news:44b474e1$0$96195$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
    > Mij Adyaw wrote:
    >> How do we really know that Cingular is taking share from Sprint and
    >> Verizon? A Cingular dealer will say that, however, a Sprint dealer will
    >> say that Sprint rules and that all other carriers drool. Therefore, we
    >> need to take most of this stuff with a grain of salt and choose the cell
    >> phone provider that works the best in the areas that we work, play,
    >> travel, and live.

    >
    > You can look at the net additions from quarter to quarter to see who is
    > gaining market share and who is losing it.
    >
    > Look at "http://www.cellular-news.com/story/18056.php"
    >
    > Verizon is gaining market share, Sprint and Cingular are losing market
    > share at about an equal rate, and T-Mobile is losing market share at a
    > rapid rate.
    >
    > It doesn't really matter what the dealers say, the actual numbers are
    > public.






  5. #5
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    Mij Adyaw wrote:
    > This simply means that folks are swallowing the Verizon Marketing. That's
    > all there is to it. Drinkin the Koolaid.


    Not really, as Verizon's gain in market share is very small, it's really
    Sprint and T-Mobile that have had the biggest gains, percentage-wise,
    while the Cingular percentage loss is very large, statistically speaking.

    Sprint has gained about 6x as much market share as Verizon gained in the
    past four quarters.

    T-Mobile has gained about 7x as much market share as Verizon gained in
    the past four quarters.

    Cingular has lost 15x as much market share as Verizon gained in the past
    four quarters.

    Sprint has been impressive in terms of market share gains, considering
    that it's roughly the same size as Cingular and Verizon. It's easier for
    T-Mobile to have a big swing one way or the other, as they're much
    smaller to being with.



  6. #6
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:04:45 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote in <44b474e1$0$96195$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

    =>Look at "http://www.cellular-news.com/story/18056.php"
    >
    >Verizon is gaining market share, Sprint and Cingular are losing market
    >share at about an equal rate, and T-Mobile is losing market share at a
    >rapid rate.


    Part of what you left out:

    ... Cingular is executing well. ...

    The analysts report that Sprint continues to struggle with its
    marketing message and many customers and some sales reps still do not
    understand the value added associated with the Sprint Nextel merger.
    Contrasting the problems at Sprint, operations at Cingular have
    consistently been improving, based on their store visits over the past
    several quarters. There are still some areas where customers remain
    unhappy with Cingular's network coverage, but in general customers are
    seeing an improvement.

    As a result, Cingular and the former AT&T Wireless business are being
    mentioned less frequently by competitors as being ported from than had
    been the case throughout last year.

    Cingular is also now firmly entrenched at RadioShack in terms of sales
    personnel knowledge and phone selection. ...

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  7. #7
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:04:45 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote in <44b474e1$0$96195$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

    >Look at "http://www.cellular-news.com/story/18056.php"


    >It doesn't really matter what the dealers say, the actual numbers are
    >public.


    Those are actually "Merrill Lynch estimates."

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  8. #8
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:27:45 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote in <44b48855$0$96212$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

    >Mij Adyaw wrote:
    >> This simply means that folks are swallowing the Verizon Marketing. That's
    >> all there is to it. Drinkin the Koolaid.

    >
    >Not really, as Verizon's gain in market share is very small, it's really
    >Sprint and T-Mobile that have had the biggest gains, percentage-wise,
    >while the Cingular percentage loss is very large, statistically speaking.
    >
    >Sprint has gained about 6x as much market share as Verizon gained in the
    >past four quarters.
    >
    >T-Mobile has gained about 7x as much market share as Verizon gained in
    >the past four quarters.
    >
    >Cingular has lost 15x as much market share as Verizon gained in the past
    >four quarters.
    >
    >Sprint has been impressive in terms of market share gains, considering
    >that it's roughly the same size as Cingular and Verizon. It's easier for
    >T-Mobile to have a big swing one way or the other, as they're much
    >smaller to being with.


    Focusing in on the most recent quarters for which real data is
    available, Q405 & Q106, we see Verizon *losing* market share, about as
    much market share loss as Cingular, with Sprint the winner, and T-Mobile
    flat. If that continues, Sprint could challenge Verizon for the #2 spot
    later this year. That's the real story, no matter how you try to spin
    it.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  9. #9
    Randall Ainsworth
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    In article <44b48855$0$96212$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    > Not really, as Verizon's gain in market share is very small, it's really
    > Sprint and T-Mobile that have had the biggest gains, percentage-wise,
    > while the Cingular percentage loss is very large, statistically speaking.


    I would avoid those who intentionally cripple their hardware and do
    everything they can to get into your wallet (Verizon).



  10. #10
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    In alt.cellular.cingular Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
    > In article <44b48855$0$96212$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
    > <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Not really, as Verizon's gain in market share is very small, it's really
    >> Sprint and T-Mobile that have had the biggest gains, percentage-wise,
    >> while the Cingular percentage loss is very large, statistically speaking.

    >
    > I would avoid those who intentionally cripple their hardware and do
    > everything they can to get into your wallet (Verizon).


    In fact, they all do this. Verizon charges you for every little thing, right
    down to detail billing and extended voicemail (a standard on Sprint PCS).
    But, Verizon allows you to change your non-promotional plan items any time
    you want. Sprint locks you down to a plan and any changes to it [not the
    extras] resets your contract. If your lifestyle or family situation changes,
    Sprint PCS is quite inflexible. Sprint PCS offers very competitive plans at
    competitive prices, and extras are reasonable priced [you can get data on all
    phones on a plan cheaper than anybody except perhaps T-Mobile]. T-Mobile has
    great rates but struggles to compete with coverage and technology. Nextel is
    an enigma. Cingular is sort of the Verizon of GSM, but with better prices
    [marginally] a notoriously worse customer service.

    I could go on and on.

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    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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