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  1. #1
    Phill.
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    In article <i9ccnvgquvgjv4gairieiq118c6liofodg@4ax.com>, get@blah.com
    wrote:

    > Who said anything about listening?
    >
    > Besides, I'll spend a couple of minutes screwing with their heads if
    > in the long run it means I get fewer calls.


    I have four secrets that cut WAY DOWN on junk calls I receive.


    1. Have the phone company list you without address. Typically
    telemarketers cover areas, and buy geographically sorted
    phone directories from the phone company. I'm not listed in those!
    It costs no extra to call your Baby Bell and say list me without address.
    Its a poor-mans unlisted phone number.

    2. When buying something by Credit Card and they ask for your phone
    number either say "I decline to provide it", or memorize a phone
    booth's number to give out.

    3. Make a recording of the warbling sound one gets when connecting
    to a disconnected phone number. Put that at the start of your
    recording on your answering machine. Automatic recorded telemarketing
    machines will "realize" your number is disconnected, stop the call, and
    mark your number as disconnected, to not call again.

    Instructions are here:

    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...tart.html?pg=9

    4. Every credit card you have or any bill you pay monthly, call up their
    customer service and ask that your account be "annotated for privacy",
    specifically your ophone number is not to be sold or given to
    subsidiaries. It is crucial you do this with Baby Bells and any arm of
    AOL Time Warner who are big offenders.



    See More: HOW to stop Junk Calls.



  2. #2
    127.0.0.1
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    Re: HOW to stop Junk Calls.


    "Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in message
    news:Pearl-FF045E.07402528092003@news05.west.earthlink.net...
    > In article <i9ccnvgquvgjv4gairieiq118c6liofodg@4ax.com>, get@blah.com
    > wrote:
    >
    > > Who said anything about listening?
    > >
    > > Besides, I'll spend a couple of minutes screwing with their heads if
    > > in the long run it means I get fewer calls.

    >
    > I have four secrets that cut WAY DOWN on junk calls I receive.
    >
    >
    > 1. Have the phone company list you without address. Typically
    > telemarketers cover areas, and buy geographically sorted
    > phone directories from the phone company. I'm not listed in those!
    > It costs no extra to call your Baby Bell and say list me without address.
    > Its a poor-mans unlisted phone number.
    >
    > 2. When buying something by Credit Card and they ask for your phone
    > number either say "I decline to provide it", or memorize a phone
    > booth's number to give out.
    >
    > 3. Make a recording of the warbling sound one gets when connecting
    > to a disconnected phone number. Put that at the start of your
    > recording on your answering machine. Automatic recorded telemarketing
    > machines will "realize" your number is disconnected, stop the call, and
    > mark your number as disconnected, to not call again.
    >
    > Instructions are here:
    >
    > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...tart.html?pg=9
    >
    > 4. Every credit card you have or any bill you pay monthly, call up their
    > customer service and ask that your account be "annotated for privacy",
    > specifically your ophone number is not to be sold or given to
    > subsidiaries. It is crucial you do this with Baby Bells and any arm of
    > AOL Time Warner who are big offenders.


    1991 Telephone Consumer Protection Act requires all telemarketing agencies
    to keep a do-not-call list. the Direct Marketing Agency has a national DNC
    for $5. just tell the telemarketer to add your name to the do not call list
    or pay DMA $5 to add your name to it's national DNC. it usually takes about
    a month for the calls to stop. TCPA also makes it illegal for telemarketers
    to autodial cell phone numbers.

    "In October 2001, Acacia National Mortgage Corp. settled a lawsuit with
    Verizon Wireless by promising not to send text messages to Verizon cell
    phone users." Hopefully, telemarketers will be included in these lawsuits in
    the future.





  3. #3
    Phill.
    Guest

    Re: HOW to stop Junk Calls.

    In article <drCdb.33473$ai7.10073@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
    "127.0.0.1" <unavailable@spam-me.not> wrote:

    > 1991 Telephone Consumer Protection Act requires all telemarketing agencies
    > to keep a do-not-call list. the Direct Marketing Agency has a national DNC
    > for $5. just tell the telemarketer to add your name to the do not call list
    > or pay DMA $5 to add your name to it's national DNC. it usually takes about
    > a month for the calls to stop. TCPA also makes it illegal for telemarketers
    > to autodial cell phone numbers.
    >
    > "In October 2001, Acacia National Mortgage Corp. settled a lawsuit with
    > Verizon Wireless by promising not to send text messages to Verizon cell
    > phone users." Hopefully, telemarketers will be included in these lawsuits in
    > the future.



    Telemarketers follow their own rules about as well as Sprint CSRs do in
    identifying themselves. The rules are observed in the breech. Machine
    generated phone calls are not to happen, Hah ! When I used to have 2
    phone lines with sequential #'s 90% of telemark calls called the first
    number, and then the 2nd number 1/2 second later. Such sequential dially
    is also illegal but usually done cause its not detected 99.9% of the
    time.

    The Federal rules have STIFF fines. That makes folks take notice.
    Voluntary industry rules are for show only.



  4. #4
    Carl.
    Guest

    Re: HOW to stop Junk Calls.

    "Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in message
    news:Pearl-FF045E.07402528092003@news05.west.earthlink.net...
    > 3. Make a recording of the warbling sound one gets when connecting
    > to a disconnected phone number. Put that at the start of your
    > recording on your answering machine. Automatic recorded telemarketing
    > machines will "realize" your number is disconnected, stop the call, and
    > mark your number as disconnected, to not call again.
    >
    > Instructions are here:
    >
    > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...tart.html?pg=9


    Interesting, I'll give it a shot.


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  5. #5
    Carl.
    Guest

    Re: HOW to stop Junk Calls.

    "127.0.0.1" <unavailable@spam-me.not> wrote in message
    news:drCdb.33473$ai7.10073@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
    > 1991 Telephone Consumer Protection Act requires all telemarketing agencies
    > to keep a do-not-call list.


    Do Not Call lists with individual companies are less than half useless,
    unless you are content with having to get a call from every single
    telemarketing company out there before the calls go away.

    > the Direct Marketing Agency has a national DNC
    > for $5. just tell the telemarketer to add your name to the do not call

    list
    > or pay DMA $5 to add your name to it's national DNC. it usually takes

    about
    > a month for the calls to stop.


    And what is the penalty for ignoring the DMA list? Or for not being a
    member at all? I get calls from various local dorks trying to sell me
    windshield repair, carpet cleaning, etc.


    > "In October 2001, Acacia National Mortgage Corp. settled a lawsuit with
    > Verizon Wireless by promising not to send text messages to Verizon cell
    > phone users." Hopefully, telemarketers will be included in these lawsuits

    in
    > the future.


    Yeah, those ANM folks were real bastards. I remember seeing of of them on
    TV whining like a little girl because "some companies can't afford other
    advertising" or some such crap.


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  6. #6
    Carl.
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    Re: HOW to stop Junk Calls.

    "Carl." <KronkKronk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:P8Ddb.170861$834.71728@twister.austin.rr.com...
    > "127.0.0.1" <unavailable@spam-me.not> wrote in message
    > news:drCdb.33473$ai7.10073@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
    > > 1991 Telephone Consumer Protection Act requires all telemarketing

    agencies
    > > to keep a do-not-call list.

    >
    > Do Not Call lists with individual companies are less than half useless,


    Er, that should have been either "more than half useless" or "less than half
    usefull."


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  7. #7
    Mike
    Guest

    Re: HOW to stop Junk Calls.

    On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:26:11 GMT, "Carl." <KronkKronk@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >"Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in message
    >news:Pearl-FF045E.07402528092003@news05.west.earthlink.net...
    >> 3. Make a recording of the warbling sound one gets when connecting
    >> to a disconnected phone number. Put that at the start of your
    >> recording on your answering machine. Automatic recorded telemarketing
    >> machines will "realize" your number is disconnected, stop the call, and
    >> mark your number as disconnected, to not call again.
    >>
    >> Instructions are here:
    >>
    >> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...tart.html?pg=9

    >
    >Interesting, I'll give it a shot.
    >

    Almost all of the prerecorded sales calls that come in are flat
    illegal according to the 1991 TCPA. Check out www.tcpaliitigation,
    www.junkfaxes.org, and the links provided there. You can sue them
    directly.

    Don't believe that you can "get your name off lists". The game is
    rigged to get to you.

    Mike



  8. #8
    Phill.
    Guest

    Re: HOW to stop Junk Calls.

    In article <a6iknvk87drioeu605t6ueqsqln64hdooo@4ax.com>,
    Mike <yaheyaher@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:26:11 GMT, "Carl." <KronkKronk@hotmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >"Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in message
    > >news:Pearl-FF045E.07402528092003@news05.west.earthlink.net...
    > >> 3. Make a recording of the warbling sound one gets when connecting
    > >> to a disconnected phone number. Put that at the start of your
    > >> recording on your answering machine. Automatic recorded telemarketing
    > >> machines will "realize" your number is disconnected, stop the call, and
    > >> mark your number as disconnected, to not call again.
    > >>
    > >> Instructions are here:
    > >>
    > >> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...tart.html?pg=9

    > >
    > >Interesting, I'll give it a shot.
    > >

    > Almost all of the prerecorded sales calls that come in are flat
    > illegal according to the 1991 TCPA. Check out www.tcpaliitigation,
    > www.junkfaxes.org, and the links provided there. You can sue them
    > directly.
    >
    > Don't believe that you can "get your name off lists". The game is
    > rigged to get to you.


    If they do it by computer the computer gets tricked by this method.
    IT DOES WORK.



  9. #9
    Mike
    Guest

    Re: HOW to stop Junk Calls.

    On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:53:43 GMT, "Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote:

    >In article <a6iknvk87drioeu605t6ueqsqln64hdooo@4ax.com>,
    > Mike <yaheyaher@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:26:11 GMT, "Carl." <KronkKronk@hotmail.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >"Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in message
    >> >news:Pearl-FF045E.07402528092003@news05.west.earthlink.net...
    >> >> 3. Make a recording of the warbling sound one gets when connecting
    >> >> to a disconnected phone number. Put that at the start of your
    >> >> recording on your answering machine. Automatic recorded telemarketing
    >> >> machines will "realize" your number is disconnected, stop the call, and
    >> >> mark your number as disconnected, to not call again.
    >> >>
    >> >> Instructions are here:
    >> >>
    >> >> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...tart.html?pg=9
    >> >
    >> >Interesting, I'll give it a shot.
    >> >

    >> Almost all of the prerecorded sales calls that come in are flat
    >> illegal according to the 1991 TCPA. Check out www.tcpaliitigation,
    >> www.junkfaxes.org, and the links provided there. You can sue them
    >> directly.
    >>
    >> Don't believe that you can "get your name off lists". The game is
    >> rigged to get to you.

    >
    >If they do it by computer the computer gets tricked by this method.
    >IT DOES WORK.


    Not really. It works with one currently popular implementation of
    auto calling systems. Your opponents are at least as smart as you
    and over time, both sides improve their technology.




  10. #10
    Carl.
    Guest

    Re: HOW to stop Junk Calls.

    "Mike" <yaheyaher@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:et2nnv470k133aogn4toe2vsgr105u5uh5@4ax.com...
    > On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:53:43 GMT, "Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote:
    >
    > >In article <a6iknvk87drioeu605t6ueqsqln64hdooo@4ax.com>,
    > > Mike <yaheyaher@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:26:11 GMT, "Carl." <KronkKronk@hotmail.com>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >"Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in message
    > >> >news:Pearl-FF045E.07402528092003@news05.west.earthlink.net...
    > >> >> 3. Make a recording of the warbling sound one gets when connecting
    > >> >> to a disconnected phone number. Put that at the start of your
    > >> >> recording on your answering machine. Automatic recorded

    telemarketing
    > >> >> machines will "realize" your number is disconnected, stop the call,

    and
    > >> >> mark your number as disconnected, to not call again.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Instructions are here:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...tart.html?pg=9
    > >> >
    > >> >Interesting, I'll give it a shot.
    > >> >
    > >> Almost all of the prerecorded sales calls that come in are flat
    > >> illegal according to the 1991 TCPA. Check out www.tcpaliitigation,
    > >> www.junkfaxes.org, and the links provided there. You can sue them
    > >> directly.
    > >>
    > >> Don't believe that you can "get your name off lists". The game is
    > >> rigged to get to you.

    > >
    > >If they do it by computer the computer gets tricked by this method.
    > >IT DOES WORK.

    >
    > Not really. It works with one currently popular implementation of
    > auto calling systems. Your opponents are at least as smart as you
    > and over time, both sides improve their technology.


    True, but if you argue long-term enough we might as well all shut off our
    service and hide under the bed. I want to know about what works NOW, and
    when that loses it's edge I will move on to whatever comes next.


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