Will Vodafone PAYG expire?

I've just bought a Vodafone SIM and fully registered it on PAYG and topped
it up with £10. I will be leaving the Nokia 3310 in my glove box as an
emergency phone but am concerned they may disconnect the phone if not used
as it mentions something about this in the booklet that came with the sim,
but its not clear. I've put my old Orange Sim with it I know it does not
disconnect, but does anyone have experience of leaving a Vodafone PAYG
unused for a year or two with paid for credit left on it? Surely they can't
disconnect it if I have credit left on it?

Graham

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"Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> I've just bought a Vodafone SIM and fully registered it on PAYG and
>> topped
>> it up with £10. I will be leaving the Nokia 3310 in my glove box as an
>> emergency phone but am concerned they may disconnect the phone if not
>> used
>> as it mentions something about this in the booklet that came with the
>> sim,
>> but its not clear. I've put my old Orange Sim with it I know it does not
>> disconnect, but does anyone have experience of leaving a Vodafone PAYG
>> unused for a year or two with paid for credit left on it? Surely they
>> can't disconnect it if I have credit left on it?
>> Graham
>>
> Orange can cut off a sim after 6 months of disuse
>
> Vodafone are the worse for cutting off an unused Sim.
> as little as 3 months is enough.
> Make sure you make a chargeable call at least every 3 months
>
> Or go for a Virgin Sim, although like most networks they can cut a Sim off
> after 6 months of disuse, i've never known them to do so.
>
> Best of all is to get an Orange OVP Virgin by transfer.
> There is No expiry on them, and a free IB every month.
>
> Steve Terry

Thanks for advise. Outrageous if any firm cut it off with paid for credit
still on phone. Close to theft, but suppose the terms and conditions cover
them in this morally questionable practice. My Orange PAYG Sim has been
active since 1997 and hardly ever used it, (probably no more than 5 calls in
all that time). I have another Orange PAYG Sim that does get regular use.
Perhaps their system is aware of that and doesn't cut the unused Sim for
that reason, but doubt they are that clever. Are they? Only reason I have
setup the Vodafone sim is coverage around here is poor on Orange. Its
unlikely I will make a call on this sim within 6 months minimum, so we will
see what happens. The only reason I topped it up with their minimum (£10)
was to try to keep it active. If they still cut it through non use, I will
never, ever use Vodafone again. I suppose I'm not going to put much money
there way, but ten quid is ten quid. If they don't cut it, who knows, I
might even use them for my main phone in time and I get through about £100 a
year on that. Not a high user, but surely worth my custom?

I'm new to this group, so could you clarify what Orange OVP and IB mean.
Thanks.

Graham.

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> "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<snip>
> Only reason I have setup the Vodafone sim is coverage around here is poor
> on Orange. Its unlikely I will make a call on this sim within 6 months
> minimum, so we will see what happens. The only reason I topped it up with
> their minimum (£10) was to try to keep it active. If they still cut it
> through non use, I will never, ever use Vodafone again. I suppose I'm not
> going to put much money there way, but ten quid is ten quid. If they don't
> cut it, who knows, I might even use them for my main phone in time and I
> get through about £100 a year on that. Not a high user, but surely worth
> my custom?
> I'm new to this group, so could you clarify what Orange OVP and IB mean.
> Thanks.
> Graham.
I had a Voda PAYT they cut it off after 3 months and I lost about 15quid
of credit.
Voda simply pointed out their new T&Cs to me.
I won't use Voda PAYT again.

Also from next month Voda are charging 15p minimum call charge!

Orange OVP Virgin is now a defunct tariff that can now only be got by
transferring from a existing owner.
It's a never ending zero monthly rent contract, with free Itemised Billing
(IB)
mirroring Virgins charge rates.

Sometimes one comes up for sale on uk.adverts.telecom.mobile or eBay

I have one and sometimes don't use it for months, I can count on it never
ending.
The main use I have for it it's free Voicemail means I can use it to check
voicemail for free on my other Orange phones, and deposit free Voicemail
into other Orange phones also for free

Steve Terry

"Dave {Reply Address in.Sig}" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In message <_L-dnVj_AfRQh5PVRVnyjQA@metronet>, Graham wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for advise. Outrageous if any firm cut it off with paid for credit
>> still on phone. Close to theft, but suppose the terms and conditions
>> cover
>> them in this morally questionable practice.
>
> The reason for it is that otherwise the available number space would
> slowly
> be used up on SIMs that had been lost or discarded before their final
> balance had been used up. What they ought to do is give you the number
> back
> on a new SIM if you ask, assuming it hasn't already been reallocated.
>
Yes but for Voda to reduce it from the usual 6 months to 3 is simply greed

Steve Terry

"Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:lOadnf_xl-iujJPVnZ2dnUVZ8h2dnZ2d@metronet...
>>> I've just bought a Vodafone SIM and fully registered it on PAYG and
>>> topped
>>> it up with £10. I will be leaving the Nokia 3310 in my glove box as an
>>> emergency phone but am concerned they may disconnect the phone if not
>>> used
>>> as it mentions something about this in the booklet that came with the
>>> sim,
>>> but its not clear. I've put my old Orange Sim with it I know it does not
>>> disconnect, but does anyone have experience of leaving a Vodafone PAYG
>>> unused for a year or two with paid for credit left on it? Surely they
>>> can't disconnect it if I have credit left on it?
>>> Graham
>>>
>> Orange can cut off a sim after 6 months of disuse
>>
>> Vodafone are the worse for cutting off an unused Sim.
>> as little as 3 months is enough.
>> Make sure you make a chargeable call at least every 3 months
>>
>> Or go for a Virgin Sim, although like most networks they can cut a Sim
>> off
>> after 6 months of disuse, i've never known them to do so.
>>
>> Best of all is to get an Orange OVP Virgin by transfer.
>> There is No expiry on them, and a free IB every month.
>>
>> Steve Terry
>
> Thanks for advise. Outrageous if any firm cut it off with paid for credit
> still on phone.

No it isn't, it is in the terms and conditions you agreed to.

>Close to theft,

No it isn't. Go and look at the definition of theft, then read the terms
and conditions
you agreed to!

>but suppose the terms and conditions cover them in this morally
>questionable practice.

It isn't a questionable practice just because you don't like it. You had a
choice to
buy something else but didn't, so you agreed to the terms and conditions.
It's not that difficult to understand.

>My Orange PAYG Sim has been active since 1997 and hardly ever used it,
>(probably no more than 5 calls in all that time). I have another Orange
>PAYG Sim that does get regular use. Perhaps their system is aware of that
>and doesn't cut the unused Sim for that reason, but doubt they are that
>clever. Are they?

They don't link PAYG accounts in such a way, each purchase is covered by the
terms
and conditions you choose not to recognise or agree with after purchase.

> Only reason I have setup the Vodafone sim is coverage around here is poor
> on Orange. Its unlikely I will make a call on this sim within 6 months
> minimum, so we will see what happens.

How pointless, you already know what will happen.

>The only reason I topped it up with their minimum (£10) was to try to keep
>it active. If they still cut it through non use, I will never, ever use
>Vodafone again.

Do you really think £10 means anything to them? Your tiny spend is nothing
compared to a lot of people. I doubt they would miss you.

>I suppose I'm not going to put much money there way, but ten quid is ten
>quid. If they don't cut it, who knows, I might even use them for my main
>phone in time and I get through about £100 a year on that. Not a high user,
>but surely worth my custom?
>

Not really because the accounts are not linked in such a way. They don't
care if
you have hundreds of phones, if you don't stick to the terms and conditions
then
they will take action.

> I'm new to this group, so could you clarify what Orange OVP and IB mean.
> Thanks.
>

I take it you have a working web browser and can use sites such as Google?

> Graham.
>

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> "Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> "Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<snip>
>> Thanks for advise. Outrageous if any firm cut it off with paid for credit
>> still on phone.
>
> No it isn't, it is in the terms and conditions you agreed to.
>
>>Close to theft,
>
> No it isn't. Go and look at the definition of theft, then read the terms
> and conditions
> you agreed to!
>
Voda counted on the fact that most didn't read the new T&Cs they've
created to rip off their customers.
A calculated means to take money immorally, is close to theft

Voda PAYT won't be taking any more of my money

Steve Terry

"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:lOadnf_xl-iujJPVnZ2dnUVZ8h2dnZ2d@metronet...
>>>> I've just bought a Vodafone SIM and fully registered it on PAYG and
>>>> topped
>>>> it up with £10. I will be leaving the Nokia 3310 in my glove box as an
>>>> emergency phone but am concerned they may disconnect the phone if not
>>>> used
>>>> as it mentions something about this in the booklet that came with the
>>>> sim,
>>>> but its not clear. I've put my old Orange Sim with it I know it does
>>>> not
>>>> disconnect, but does anyone have experience of leaving a Vodafone PAYG
>>>> unused for a year or two with paid for credit left on it? Surely they
>>>> can't disconnect it if I have credit left on it?
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>> Orange can cut off a sim after 6 months of disuse
>>>
>>> Vodafone are the worse for cutting off an unused Sim.
>>> as little as 3 months is enough.
>>> Make sure you make a chargeable call at least every 3 months
>>>
>>> Or go for a Virgin Sim, although like most networks they can cut a Sim
>>> off
>>> after 6 months of disuse, i've never known them to do so.
>>>
>>> Best of all is to get an Orange OVP Virgin by transfer.
>>> There is No expiry on them, and a free IB every month.
>>>
>>> Steve Terry
>>
>> Thanks for advise. Outrageous if any firm cut it off with paid for credit
>> still on phone.
>
> No it isn't, it is in the terms and conditions you agreed to.
>
>>Close to theft,
>
> No it isn't. Go and look at the definition of theft, then read the terms
> and conditions
> you agreed to!
>
>>but suppose the terms and conditions cover them in this morally
>>questionable practice.
>
> It isn't a questionable practice just because you don't like it. You had
> a choice to
> buy something else but didn't, so you agreed to the terms and conditions.
> It's not that difficult to understand.
>
>>My Orange PAYG Sim has been active since 1997 and hardly ever used it,
>>(probably no more than 5 calls in all that time). I have another Orange
>>PAYG Sim that does get regular use. Perhaps their system is aware of that
>>and doesn't cut the unused Sim for that reason, but doubt they are that
>>clever. Are they?
>
> They don't link PAYG accounts in such a way, each purchase is covered by
> the terms
> and conditions you choose not to recognise or agree with after purchase.
>
>> Only reason I have setup the Vodafone sim is coverage around here is poor
>> on Orange. Its unlikely I will make a call on this sim within 6 months
>> minimum, so we will see what happens.
>
> How pointless, you already know what will happen.
>
>>The only reason I topped it up with their minimum (£10) was to try to keep
>>it active. If they still cut it through non use, I will never, ever use
>>Vodafone again.
>
> Do you really think £10 means anything to them? Your tiny spend is
> nothing
> compared to a lot of people. I doubt they would miss you.
>
>>I suppose I'm not going to put much money there way, but ten quid is ten
>>quid. If they don't cut it, who knows, I might even use them for my main
>>phone in time and I get through about £100 a year on that. Not a high
>>user, but surely worth my custom?
>>
>
> Not really because the accounts are not linked in such a way. They don't
> care if
> you have hundreds of phones, if you don't stick to the terms and
> conditions then
> they will take action.
>
>> I'm new to this group, so could you clarify what Orange OVP and IB mean.
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> I take it you have a working web browser and can use sites such as Google?

I hate your attitude fella. Sound like a right jobsworth to me. Why stick up
for a giant firm? Who reads the Terms beyond the first couple of lines at
most? If you do, show me the line that shows me they will steel my credit if
I don't use the phone. I bet its not in there clearly written without
ambiguity. Don't lecture to me about what I SHOULD HAVE READ. Who do you
think you are sticking up for this highly dubious practice if it proves to
be true. So they write in the T&C's that they can murder my children if I
don't make a call within a few months. Still illegal aint it. Theft is
illegal as its murder. Putting a caveat in the terms does not make it ok to
break the law. This needs to be taken to court to get a precident set. Its
simply wrong to close the account. At the very least they could inform me if
a call is not made what they will do. They have all my details from the
registration.

Graham

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> "Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<SNIP>

>> Thanks for advise. Outrageous if any firm cut it off with paid for credit
>> still on phone.
>
> No it isn't, it is in the terms and conditions you agreed to.

I see the Tiscali idiot has morphed again. Nice to see that Tiscali have
finally got shut of him off though.

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In article <lOadnf_xl-iujJPVnZ2dnUVZ8h2dnZ2d@metronet>,
[email protected] says...
> I've just bought a Vodafone SIM and fully registered it on PAYG and topped
> it up with £10. I will be leaving the Nokia 3310 in my glove box as an
> emergency phone but am concerned they may disconnect the phone if not used
> as it mentions something about this in the booklet that came with the sim,
> but its not clear. I've put my old Orange Sim with it I know it does not
> disconnect, but does anyone have experience of leaving a Vodafone PAYG
> unused for a year or two with paid for credit left on it? Surely they can't
> disconnect it if I have credit left on it?

Vodafone (like Orange) reserve the right to dosconnect after a period of
time with no activity. On Orange the period is 180 days, on Vodafone it
either 90 or 180 days.

It's not always enforced though, but if you do go inactive for that
period you risk being cut off.
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"Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:lOadnf_xl-iujJPVnZ2dnUVZ8h2dnZ2d@metronet...
> I've just bought a Vodafone SIM and fully registered it on PAYG and topped
> it up with £10. I will be leaving the Nokia 3310 in my glove box as an
> emergency phone but am concerned they may disconnect the phone if not used
> as it mentions something about this in the booklet that came with the sim,
> but its not clear. I've put my old Orange Sim with it I know it does not
> disconnect, but does anyone have experience of leaving a Vodafone PAYG
> unused for a year or two with paid for credit left on it? Surely they
> can't disconnect it if I have credit left on it?
>
> Graham
>
It is very misleading. I bought one yesterday. In the Getting Started book
(on page 7) it says
"Just to let you know. If you don't make a chargeable call or top up your
mobile for a full nine months, it will be disconnected"
but in the "Small Print" near the back it mentions 180 days.

Mike

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:02:53 +0100, "Graham" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:_L-dnVj_AfRQh5PVRVnyjQA@metronet...
>>>
>>> "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:lOadnf_xl-iujJPVnZ2dnUVZ8h2dnZ2d@metronet...
>>>>> I've just bought a Vodafone SIM and fully registered it on PAYG and
>>>>> topped
>>>>> it up with £10. I will be leaving the Nokia 3310 in my glove box as an
>>>>> emergency phone but am concerned they may disconnect the phone if not
>>>>> used
>>>>> as it mentions something about this in the booklet that came with the
>>>>> sim,
>>>>> but its not clear. I've put my old Orange Sim with it I know it does
>>>>> not
>>>>> disconnect, but does anyone have experience of leaving a Vodafone PAYG
>>>>> unused for a year or two with paid for credit left on it? Surely they
>>>>> can't disconnect it if I have credit left on it?
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>> Orange can cut off a sim after 6 months of disuse
>>>>
>>>> Vodafone are the worse for cutting off an unused Sim.
>>>> as little as 3 months is enough.
>>>> Make sure you make a chargeable call at least every 3 months
>>>>
>>>> Or go for a Virgin Sim, although like most networks they can cut a Sim
>>>> off
>>>> after 6 months of disuse, i've never known them to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Best of all is to get an Orange OVP Virgin by transfer.
>>>> There is No expiry on them, and a free IB every month.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Terry
>>>
>>> Thanks for advise. Outrageous if any firm cut it off with paid for credit
>>> still on phone.
>>
>> No it isn't, it is in the terms and conditions you agreed to.
>>
>>>Close to theft,
>>
>> No it isn't. Go and look at the definition of theft, then read the terms
>> and conditions
>> you agreed to!
>>
>>>but suppose the terms and conditions cover them in this morally
>>>questionable practice.
>>
>> It isn't a questionable practice just because you don't like it. You had
>> a choice to
>> buy something else but didn't, so you agreed to the terms and conditions.
>> It's not that difficult to understand.
>>
>>>My Orange PAYG Sim has been active since 1997 and hardly ever used it,
>>>(probably no more than 5 calls in all that time). I have another Orange
>>>PAYG Sim that does get regular use. Perhaps their system is aware of that
>>>and doesn't cut the unused Sim for that reason, but doubt they are that
>>>clever. Are they?
>>
>> They don't link PAYG accounts in such a way, each purchase is covered by
>> the terms
>> and conditions you choose not to recognise or agree with after purchase.
>>
>>> Only reason I have setup the Vodafone sim is coverage around here is poor
>>> on Orange. Its unlikely I will make a call on this sim within 6 months
>>> minimum, so we will see what happens.
>>
>> How pointless, you already know what will happen.
>>
>>>The only reason I topped it up with their minimum (£10) was to try to keep
>>>it active. If they still cut it through non use, I will never, ever use
>>>Vodafone again.
>>
>> Do you really think £10 means anything to them? Your tiny spend is
>> nothing
>> compared to a lot of people. I doubt they would miss you.
>>
>>>I suppose I'm not going to put much money there way, but ten quid is ten
>>>quid. If they don't cut it, who knows, I might even use them for my main
>>>phone in time and I get through about £100 a year on that. Not a high
>>>user, but surely worth my custom?
>>>
>>
>> Not really because the accounts are not linked in such a way. They don't
>> care if
>> you have hundreds of phones, if you don't stick to the terms and
>> conditions then
>> they will take action.
>>
>>> I'm new to this group, so could you clarify what Orange OVP and IB mean.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> I take it you have a working web browser and can use sites such as Google?
>
>I hate your attitude fella. Sound like a right jobsworth to me. Why stick up
>for a giant firm? Who reads the Terms beyond the first couple of lines at
>most? If you do, show me the line that shows me they will steel my credit if
>I don't use the phone. I bet its not in there clearly written without
>ambiguity. Don't lecture to me about what I SHOULD HAVE READ. Who do you
>think you are sticking up for this highly dubious practice if it proves to
>be true. So they write in the T&C's that they can murder my children if I
>don't make a call within a few months. Still illegal aint it. Theft is
>illegal as its murder. Putting a caveat in the terms does not make it ok to
>break the law. This needs to be taken to court to get a precident set. Its
>simply wrong to close the account. At the very least they could inform me if
>a call is not made what they will do. They have all my details from the
>registration.
>
>Graham

I think he does have a point about it being in the terms and
conditions, however I agree with everyone else too that it is
misleading, and I don't believe this is a good practice by Vodafone or
other networks.

I think Vodafone customer service is magnificent, no one else comes
close, however their prices are expensive and it looks like some of
their practises like this disconnection business after only a few
months non-use is a bit ridiculous.

I'd like to stay with Vodafone but switching from contract to PAYG/T,
however may go to another network due to the costs, and also slightly
because of this as well, I wouldn't ever want to be disconnected or
lose my number.

John

"Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Vodafone are the worse for cutting off an unused Sim.
> as little as 3 months is enough.
> Make sure you make a chargeable call at least every 3 months

Where *is* it you get this 3 month cut off from?

I'm sure we've had this conversation before (or maybe with someone
else on here), the Vodafone T&C's do NOT state they cut you off after
3 months. It's 6 months (or 180 days to be pedantic).

http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatc...ageID=PTC_0006

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"Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > The reason for it is that otherwise the available number space
would
> > slowly
> > be used up on SIMs that had been lost or discarded before their
final
> > balance had been used up. What they ought to do is give you the
number
> > back
> > on a new SIM if you ask, assuming it hasn't already been
reallocated.
> >
> Yes but for Voda to reduce it from the usual 6 months to 3 is simply
greed

Good job they didn't then (or if they did they restored it to 6
months).

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"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I think he does have a point about it being in the terms and
> conditions, however I agree with everyone else too that it is
> misleading, and I don't believe this is a good practice by Vodafone
or
> other networks.
>
> I think Vodafone customer service is magnificent, no one else comes
> close, however their prices are expensive and it looks like some of
> their practises like this disconnection business after only a few
> months non-use is a bit ridiculous.
>
> I'd like to stay with Vodafone but switching from contract to
PAYG/T,
> however may go to another network due to the costs, and also
slightly
> because of this as well, I wouldn't ever want to be disconnected or
> lose my number.

Before you switch because of the cut-off issue I'd suggest you read
their actual T&C's rather than rely on what people claim about them.
Link below.

Vodafone PAYG is expensive peak but pretty good value off peak (eg an
hour for 30p to any network - you need to sign up to stop the clock
but it's free).

http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatc...ageID=PTC_0006

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"Andy Pandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Vodafone are the worse for cutting off an unused Sim.
>> as little as 3 months is enough.
>> Make sure you make a chargeable call at least every 3 months
>
> Where *is* it you get this 3 month cut off from?
>
> I'm sure we've had this conversation before (or maybe with someone
> else on here), the Vodafone T&C's do NOT state they cut you off after
> 3 months. It's 6 months (or 180 days to be pedantic).
>
> http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatc...ageID=PTC_0006
> Andy
>
They did it to me when I first went on to Smartstep from Allcalls.
Looks like they have gone back to 6 months.

Steve Terry