The W80 does have the features, and the price differential is only $50 and i think it is worth it for the additional price, but the thing is that i'm also not familiar with the ericsson interface, and i find the motorola one easy to use, and then again comes the appearance factor ... i find the w80 rather thick ... i originally wanted to get a nokia n series but those are apparently out of my price range ... anyways thx for the advice ... the final decision is going to take a while before i can decide on one.