Getting GTALK to work on Samsung propel a767

For some dumb reason AT&T/Samsung decided to include IM clients for AIM, Yahoo!, and MSN, but not for Gtalk. So I am on a quest to get GTalk on my Samsung Propel.

Bug #1 I cannot seem to find anything that allows you to give full permission to an app so the phone doesn't prompt you for permission to use the network constantly.

Bug #2 Some of these don't have a web based installer, and since you cannot install java apps with bluetooth, sdcard, or USB you will have to use a third party installer such as: euploader.com.

Here is what I have found so far:

MGTalk, is touted as working, but I can never get it to connect. The last post I found stating that it works is from 2006.

GoTalkMobile - Works, I can connect and send and receive messages, but constantly requests permission to access the web. See Bug#1

Ebuddy - Works, I can connect, and send and receive messages, but constantly requests permission to access the web. See Bug#1. Also, The Propel A767 is not listed as a compatible phone, I tried it using phone model number SGH - A737 for my installation and had no problems.

AgileMessenger - There is a J2ME beta that you can sign up for and install, but I could not get it to connect once I got it installed.

I'll update this post If I find out anything more.

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Originally Posted by winston_one

I'll update this post If I find out anything more.

Here is the text from my conversation with AT&T reps which solved nothing.



Chat InformationPlease wait for a representative to respond.

Chat InformationWelcome to AT&T Data Support Chat. My name is 'Damon Cliff' and I’ll be happy to assist you today.

Damon Cliff: Hello. I apologize for the inconvenience you are experiencing today. Thank you for giving me the opportunity today to assist you with your issue of grating an application permanant permission to work. Before we begin how would you like to be addressed during our interaction today ( e.g. your first name, last name, Mr, Ms...etc.)?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: Dan is fine

Damon Cliff: Ok Dan thank you. I will need to access your account. Will this be ok?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: yes

Damon Cliff: This is a secure channel. Please provide the following information;

1-The wireless phone number you are inquiring about, area code first.
2-The first and last name as listed on the account.
3-Your full name.
4-The last four digits of the Social Security # or password listed on the account.

Please bear with me while I access your account. Once I have the information it may take me 1-2 minutes to complete this.
Thank you.

EDITED OUT PERSONAL INFO


Damon Cliff: Thank you Dan

Damon Cliff: Which application are you trying to downlaod

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: I have a couple that are having the problem. One is a messaging client that access Gtalk.

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: The other is an email client called flurrymail that I use to access my work email.

Damon Cliff: Are you trying to download the applications?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: I have them downloaded and they work. I can use them but I am constantly prompted with:

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: "Allow access to application, ask again later" "Don't allow access to application, ask again later" Is there any way to enable a sort of "Allow access to application, DON'T ask again later"?

Damon Cliff: Okay so that pop up comes up every time you access the applications? Does it do it to all of them?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: It pops up when I initially start the application, and pops up over and over again as the application is running.

Damon Cliff: It does that to both of those applications?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: yes

Damon Cliff: have you reset the device at all?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: no

Damon Cliff: Can you go ahead and remove your battery and sim card out of your device while your phone is powered on please?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: ok

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: done

Damon Cliff: Okay we will need to leave them out for 3-5 minutes. Did you ever reboot the phone after downloading these applications?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: yes

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: ok, its been about 5 minutes, I'm putting the sim card and battery back in now

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: OK, its back on now

Damon Cliff: Okay can you try and access those apps now and see if you get that pop up error please?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: Ok, the application started and I was warned with this message. eBuddy will send personal data. This will require the use of airtime for which you may be charged. Continue?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: I chose the option:

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: This time, Aske me again next time.

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: The application connects like it should, but I am constantly presented with that same message over and over again.

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: There needs to be an option to allow access, and never ask me again.

Damon Cliff: Okay, can you bear with me for 3-4 minutes please?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: Also, This message is presented with any application on the phone, even the built in ones like the internet browser. They will prompt me for permission, but only once when I first launch the program, not constantly

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: yes I can wait.

Damon Cliff: Sorry for the delay

Damon Cliff: I am still working on that, can you bear with me 3-5 more minutes please?

Daniel Noltnesmeyer: take your time.

Damon Cliff: Okay Daniel I am sorry but I do not show an internal resolution for your problem, at this time I will have to refer you directly to the device manufacturer Samsung. Please call Samsung directly at Samsung (888) 987-4357

Damon Cliff: Daniel I am sorry I couldn't be of more help. May I assist you with anything else today?

I called Samsung. They would not help because it was a third party application.

I think the problem comes from the fact that the java app is unsigned.



I've read some things that say having the application signed will allow the option to "allow, and dont ask again."







I've also read that the process of getting a java application signed involves about $400-$700 for EVERY version of the software. Also, the certificate expires after one year, so the application developers must pay the CA for every version every year to remain a signed application.



This makes sense why the authors of these applications don't bother with paying a CA like verisign or whomever else is in the application signing business. Even the Google apps like gmail and google maps aren't signed.



The applications that do appear to be signed (the ones that come pre-installed on the phone, and the ones availiable to be purchased at the MEdia net) require you to pay for them. Several of these apps require a subscription of about $3 a month.



You can check to see if the app is signed by going to the app and selecting properties. You will also notice that the CA that has signed these apps is AT&T or Cingular. So basically this "security feature" is a way for at&t to eliminate comptition of free java apps from their paid applications that you can buy from them.







I've looked for a way around this. The closest I came was installing your own homemade certificate and the signing the app to that homemade certificate. Unfortuantly, there is no way to add your homemade certificate to the Propel the way you can on other "real" smart phones.





So, Unless the developer decides to pay have their app signed by a CA(which will probably never happen for a free application), we are probably stuck having to constatly grant permission for our apps to be able to access the data network that we are already paying for.



The other alternative would be for at&t or samsung to release a firmware that would allow this "security feature" of prompting for net access to be removed completely, but why would they. They have us locked into thier proprietary system. Lets hope they do the right thing and serve their already paying customers instead of simply trying to bilk us for more money.