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  1. #16
    Poldie
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    Re: How many characters in a text message?


    Taylor wrote:
    > "purple pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > So if your text is gonna be 161 characters long you may as well spend the
    > > whole of the next 10p (or whatever it is per message) and talk away right
    > > up to 320 characters

    >
    > All of the above is actually incorrect, you need control characters to
    > determine who the message was from, what message ID it's linked to, etc, so
    > you don't get 3 x 160 characters by any means.


    I don't know where you got 3 x anything from, but a text message
    provides 160 characters to the user - other information regarding
    sender etc is stored elsewhere and does not come out of that total.




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  2. #17
    Poldie
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    Re: How many characters in a text message?


    [email protected] wrote:
    > "Poldie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    > >Of course, there's no reason, other than the loss of profit to the
    > >networks of course, that phones don't compress text messages so that
    > >they take less space to fit. You get a pretty good compression ratio
    > >out of plain text, especially if most of the words are in the t9
    > >dictionary. I guess we'll have to wait until we're not limited to the
    > >phone's software and can instead use our own programs to send text
    > >messages/data.

    >
    > No reason... What about the existing phones not supporting the
    > compression algorithm employed? You have a nice tight compressed message
    > fitting, say, 200 characters into a single text message which when
    > received on someone's 6310/K750 or whatever just looks like 160 random
    > characters.


    Obviously there'd need to be some support for the protocol on the
    phones and networks. Like I said, let us write our own text sendy
    software and it's not a problem.




  3. #18
    Marcus Fox
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    Re: How many characters in a text message?


    "J B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > One of my staff sent me a text, a joke about Santa.
    >
    > When the bill came, he (well, me really coz it's a work phone) was billed
    > for three texts.
    >
    > I finally managed to get through to Orange (are committed to providing
    > excellent customer service) - only took me two weeks - and the lady there
    > said that if you send a 'long' text, it uses up so many characters that it
    > counts as more than one text
    > It took up 22 lines on my NK5140.
    >
    > Is the lady being 'economical with the truth' or what?


    On my Nokia 7600, if I am sending long messages that get billed in multiples
    of single text messages I get 160 characters for first text, an additional
    145 in the second and 152 in the third and for each subsequent message. this
    is because the difference is required for the information to join the texts
    together.

    Marcus





  4. #19
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: How many characters in a text message?



    "Poldie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Taylor wrote:
    > > "purple pete" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > message news:[email protected]...
    > > > So if your text is gonna be 161 characters long you
    > > > may as well spend the whole of the next 10p (or
    > > > whatever it is per message) and talk away right up to
    > > > 320 characters

    > >
    > > All of the above is actually incorrect, you need
    > > control characters to determine who the message was
    > > from, what message ID it's linked to, etc, so you don't
    > > get 3 x 160 characters by any means.

    >
    > I don't know where you got 3 x anything from, but a text
    > message provides 160 characters to the user - other
    > information regarding sender etc is stored elsewhere and
    > does not come out of that total.


    IIRC it does if the message exceeds 160 characters and spills over into a
    2nd message.

    Ivor





  5. #20
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: How many characters in a text message?



    "Allan Gould" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > J B wrote:
    > >
    > > One of my staff sent me a text, a joke about Santa.

    >
    > [snip]
    >
    > My mobile co (T-Mobile http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/ )
    > offers the facility on its website (once you've
    > registered etc) to send text messages from the website as
    > if they came from the handset. Apart from the added
    > functionality of being able to use an ordinary keyboard
    > and being able to edit text more easily, it has a counter
    > showing how many characters are available (counting down
    > from 160), and shows you how many messages will be needed
    > once past the first 160 characters. Quite useful really.
    > Don't know if other mobile cos have this on their
    > websites, although there are plenty of other ways of
    > sending text messages via websites; however, the point of
    > this posting was to mention the counter.
    >
    > Allan


    The Orange site has this facility but you're limited to 160 characters
    *minus* an embedded signature that says it comes from the website and
    giving your number, so you only get 140 or so.

    Ivor





  6. #21
    Taylor
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    Re: How many characters in a text message?

    "Poldie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Taylor wrote:
    >> "purple pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > So if your text is gonna be 161 characters long you may as well spend
    >> > the
    >> > whole of the next 10p (or whatever it is per message) and talk away
    >> > right
    >> > up to 320 characters

    >>
    >> All of the above is actually incorrect, you need control characters to
    >> determine who the message was from, what message ID it's linked to, etc,
    >> so
    >> you don't get 3 x 160 characters by any means.

    >
    > I don't know where you got 3 x anything from, but a text message
    > provides 160 characters to the user - other information regarding
    > sender etc is stored elsewhere and does not come out of that total.


    The first company to introduce 'concatenated' messaging was Nokia, when they
    introduced it into their handsets, how would your phone know which message
    to link together? So once you've went past 160 characters, you're into a
    'second message'.

    But you're not going to use all 160 characters of that second message, as
    some of those characters are used to determine what message to link to on
    the users' handset.

    Have a count and you'll see :-)





  7. #22
    Mathew Newton
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    Re: How many characters in a text message?

    [email protected] wrote:

    > No reason... What about the existing phones not supporting the
    > compression algorithm employed? You have a nice tight compressed message
    > fitting, say, 200 characters into a single text message which when
    > received on someone's 6310/K750 or whatever just looks like 160 random
    > characters.


    I think the technology must already be in place given that's exactly
    how many a message I receive seems to looks like! ;-)

    Mathew




  8. #23
    Jon Pitts
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    Re: How many characters in a text message?


    "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > "Allan Gould" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > J B wrote:
    > > >
    > > > One of my staff sent me a text, a joke about Santa.

    > >
    > > [snip]
    > >
    > > My mobile co (T-Mobile http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/ )
    > > offers the facility on its website (once you've
    > > registered etc) to send text messages from the website as
    > > if they came from the handset. Apart from the added
    > > functionality of being able to use an ordinary keyboard
    > > and being able to edit text more easily, it has a counter
    > > showing how many characters are available (counting down
    > > from 160), and shows you how many messages will be needed
    > > once past the first 160 characters. Quite useful really.
    > > Don't know if other mobile cos have this on their
    > > websites, although there are plenty of other ways of
    > > sending text messages via websites; however, the point of
    > > this posting was to mention the counter.
    > >
    > > Allan

    >
    > The Orange site has this facility but you're limited to 160 characters
    > *minus* an embedded signature that says it comes from the website and
    > giving your number, so you only get 140 or so.
    >
    > Ivor
    >
    >


    The Orange website > SMS facility has two options:

    - Send the SMS as if from your MSISDN. You get the full 160 characters and
    it's billed as if sent from your handset.

    - Send the SMS, free, as you describe. The website adds the signature and
    you get 140 or so characters left.

    Regards

    Jon.





  9. #24
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: How many characters in a text message?



    "Jon Pitts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    [snip]

    > The Orange website > SMS facility has two options:
    >
    > - Send the SMS as if from your MSISDN. You get the full
    > 160 characters and it's billed as if sent from your
    > handset.
    >
    > - Send the SMS, free, as you describe. The website adds
    > the signature and you get 140 or so characters left.


    Only on contract. Now that I only have a PAYG SIM. I don't get the option
    to send as if from the phone.

    Ivor





  10. #25
    Jon Pitts
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    Re: How many characters in a text message?


    "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > "Jon Pitts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    > > The Orange website > SMS facility has two options:
    > >
    > > - Send the SMS as if from your MSISDN. You get the full
    > > 160 characters and it's billed as if sent from your
    > > handset.
    > >
    > > - Send the SMS, free, as you describe. The website adds
    > > the signature and you get 140 or so characters left.

    >
    > Only on contract. Now that I only have a PAYG SIM. I don't get the option
    > to send as if from the phone.
    >
    >


    Interesting, I never realised that. I assume this would be something to do
    with the website requiring access to PAYG real-time billing to allow this
    option.

    Regards

    Jon.





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