Lost phone and info on it.

With the "black Market?" was that a Freudeon slip??

I "believe" the same applies to most of the rest of Europe also, in as much
as there is not a reciprocal barring protocol


"David Hearn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> KevinX wrote:
>
> > In blocking the handset, they bar the IMEI (International Mobile
Equipment
> > Identity), so the phone will not communicate with the network, no matter
> > which SIM is inserted. (rendering the phone useless*)
> >
> > *Only useless until the IMEI is changed, which is in fact illegal, and
> > carries high penalties if caught.
>
> And only within the UK. I understand that the blocked IMEI list is only
> distributed within the UK - not to countries outside the UK - eg. Africa
> etc. Apparently in some African countries the black market for mobiles
> is so prevalent that practically no one buys/sells legitimate ones
> simply because they cannot compete on price with the black market.
>
> D

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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Lew wrote:

> Having lost my phone today/had it nicked,, and ringing up 02 to tell them
> this, they say they have blocked both the phone and the SIM.

That means that the phone will not be allowed to work on any network and
the SIM will not be allowed to access your OS acount. Note that these
are account/service related blocks and do not protect the physical phone
or SIM from access.

A colleague of mine called Orange about a stolen phone. They told him
they'd blocked the phone. A week later the phone was recovered and he
was alarmed to find it still working just fine with his new SIM. I
guess the providers don't always handle this properly.

> Does this mean that any info contained on the SIM such as text messages,
> pictures, phone numbers, etc, will not be accessable by whoever has the phone?

The SIM can contain phonebook entries and text messages. Pictures will
be stored on the phone. Depending on the settings in the phone, it may
have been storing phonebook entries in the phone rather than the SIM,
since the 6230i's phonebook is far more advanced than the one supported
in the SIM. Same goes for text messages.

If the SIM had a PIN set on it (this would be asked for when the phone
is switched on) then it is protected against unauthorised access from
the point it is next switched on.

Someone could put their own SIM into your phone in order to access the
phone's phonebook, photos, etc. However if the phone had its security
level set to 'Phone' it would then ask for the phone's security code.
This defaults to 12345. So if you have set the security level and
changed the security code, this would prevent casual access to the
phone's data.

If the phone was unlocked and working when it was nicked/found then the
data would be fully accessible while it remained in that state. At some
point it would drop out of O2 service when they activated the blocks but
the phone itself would still remain accessible.

> It is a Nokia 6230i if that matters.

I have a 6230 and have set the security keyguard option. When you do
menu-star it locks the keypad and you need the security code to unlock
it. That's a useful feature to also help casual snooping. Best idea is
to assume that the phone will be nicked and accessed completely by a
third party, and manage the data on it accordingly - ie, delete private
texts, copy off sensitive photos, use nicknames in the phonebook, to
whatevet extent you feel is worth the effort.

--
Chris

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Lew wrote:

> Having lost my phone today/had it nicked,, and ringing up 02 to tell them
> this, they say they have blocked both the phone and the SIM.

That means that the phone will not be allowed to work on any network and
the SIM will not be allowed to access your OS acount. Note that these
are account/service related blocks and do not protect the physical phone
or SIM from access.

A colleague of mine called Orange about a stolen phone. They told him
they'd blocked the phone. A week later the phone was recovered and he
was alarmed to find it still working just fine with his new SIM. I
guess the providers don't always handle this properly.

> Does this mean that any info contained on the SIM such as text messages,
> pictures, phone numbers, etc, will not be accessable by whoever has the phone?

The SIM can contain phonebook entries and text messages. Pictures will
be stored on the phone. Depending on the settings in the phone, it may
have been storing phonebook entries in the phone rather than the SIM,
since the 6230i's phonebook is far more advanced than the one supported
in the SIM. Same goes for text messages.

If the SIM had a PIN set on it (this would be asked for when the phone
is switched on) then it is protected against unauthorised access from
the point it is next switched on.

Someone could put their own SIM into your phone in order to access the
phone's phonebook, photos, etc. However if the phone had its security
level set to 'Phone' it would then ask for the phone's security code.
This defaults to 12345. So if you have set the security level and
changed the security code, this would prevent casual access to the
phone's data.

If the phone was unlocked and working when it was nicked/found then the
data would be fully accessible while it remained in that state. At some
point it would drop out of O2 service when they activated the blocks but
the phone itself would still remain accessible.

> It is a Nokia 6230i if that matters.

I have a 6230 and have set the security keyguard option. When you do
menu-star it locks the keypad and you need the security code to unlock
it. That's a useful feature to also help casual snooping. Best idea is
to assume that the phone will be nicked and accessed completely by a
third party, and manage the data on it accordingly - ie, delete private
texts, copy off sensitive photos, use nicknames in the phonebook, to
whatevet extent you feel is worth the effort.

--
Chris

"DCA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Taylor wrote:
>> If you had the PIN enabled, you'll be fine, as they wont be able to guess
>> it.
> Ehhh?
> Put a legit SIM in and they'll have acces to the phones memory. The PIN is
> a SIM thing

Yes, and the user stated 'Does this mean that any info contained on the SIM
such as text messages, pictures, phone numbers, etc, will not be accessable
by whoever has the phone?'

the answer I gave was 'no, if he had the pin enabled'.

Do you wish to contend?

"DCA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Taylor wrote:
>> If you had the PIN enabled, you'll be fine, as they wont be able to guess
>> it.
> Ehhh?
> Put a legit SIM in and they'll have acces to the phones memory. The PIN is
> a SIM thing

Yes, and the user stated 'Does this mean that any info contained on the SIM
such as text messages, pictures, phone numbers, etc, will not be accessable
by whoever has the phone?'

the answer I gave was 'no, if he had the pin enabled'.

Do you wish to contend?

"DCA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ehhh?
> Put a legit SIM in and they'll have acces to the phones memory. The PIN is
> a SIM thing

And by the by's, many mobiles have 'sim restrictions' in place, so the user
cannot enter another SIM card without entering a 4 to 8 digit number.

"DCA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ehhh?
> Put a legit SIM in and they'll have acces to the phones memory. The PIN is
> a SIM thing

And by the by's, many mobiles have 'sim restrictions' in place, so the user
cannot enter another SIM card without entering a 4 to 8 digit number.

"Lew" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does this mean that any info contained on the SIM such as text messages,
> PICTURES, phone numbers, etc, will not be accessable by whoever has the
> phone?
> 6230i if that matters.

Looks like it's a case of admitting to the girlfriend that her pics might
end up on the net :-S

Ben

"Lew" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does this mean that any info contained on the SIM such as text messages,
> PICTURES, phone numbers, etc, will not be accessable by whoever has the
> phone?
> 6230i if that matters.

Looks like it's a case of admitting to the girlfriend that her pics might
end up on the net :-S

Ben

David Hearn wrote:
> KevinX wrote:
>
>> In blocking the handset, they bar the IMEI (International Mobile
>> Equipment
>> Identity), so the phone will not communicate with the network, no matter
>> which SIM is inserted. (rendering the phone useless*)
>>
>> *Only useless until the IMEI is changed, which is in fact illegal, and
>> carries high penalties if caught.
>
>
> And only within the UK. I understand that the blocked IMEI list is only
> distributed within the UK - not to countries outside the UK - eg. Africa
> etc. Apparently in some African countries the black market for mobiles
> is so prevalent that practically no one buys/sells legitimate ones
> simply because they cannot compete on price with the black market.
>
> D

Heh - I didn't even think about the black market double meaning.

To clarify, I'm talking about sales of stolen mobiles to anyone! At
work we did some work for a network operator in Africa and so we know
from the horses mouth the problem with the sales of stolen mobiles
killing the legitimate market. It's not a matter of the people buying
them being crooks - it's just they couldn't afford a legitimate phone
when you have communities clubbing together to by a stolen phone! The
networks realise this and so do nothing to combat the problem -
potentially if the did, there would be few legitimate handsets to use on
their network - better to have phones being used (and generating
charges) and ignore trying to fix the phone sales market.

D

David Hearn wrote:
> KevinX wrote:
>
>> In blocking the handset, they bar the IMEI (International Mobile
>> Equipment
>> Identity), so the phone will not communicate with the network, no matter
>> which SIM is inserted. (rendering the phone useless*)
>>
>> *Only useless until the IMEI is changed, which is in fact illegal, and
>> carries high penalties if caught.
>
>
> And only within the UK. I understand that the blocked IMEI list is only
> distributed within the UK - not to countries outside the UK - eg. Africa
> etc. Apparently in some African countries the black market for mobiles
> is so prevalent that practically no one buys/sells legitimate ones
> simply because they cannot compete on price with the black market.
>
> D

Heh - I didn't even think about the black market double meaning.

To clarify, I'm talking about sales of stolen mobiles to anyone! At
work we did some work for a network operator in Africa and so we know
from the horses mouth the problem with the sales of stolen mobiles
killing the legitimate market. It's not a matter of the people buying
them being crooks - it's just they couldn't afford a legitimate phone
when you have communities clubbing together to by a stolen phone! The
networks realise this and so do nothing to combat the problem -
potentially if the did, there would be few legitimate handsets to use on
their network - better to have phones being used (and generating
charges) and ignore trying to fix the phone sales market.

D

"Lew" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Having lost my phone today/had it nicked,, and ringing up 02 to tell them
> this, they say they have blocked both the phone and the SIM.
>
> Does this mean that any info contained on the SIM such as text messages,
> pictures, phone numbers, etc, will not be accessable by whoever has the
> phone?
>
> It is a Nokia 6230i if that matters.

No it doesnt'. Unless you have put a Sim lock password yourselt. O2 have
just blocked them from accessing the network.

--
John Blessing

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