e2save seem to be backing out of those off-peak offers previously

Hi folks

I signed up for one of e2save's free K750 on Orange off-peak 1000 (with
12 months free line rental) offers after seeing Reestit Mutton's post*.

My order was accepted but kept showing as awaiting stock - I'd received
a message shortly after placing the order that warned of stock
shortages. However after 2 weeks I thought I'd e-mail them and this was
their reply...

===
Dear Alan Robertson

I am afraid all the off-peak offers have been suspended as we can no
longer offer these deals. We will be ringing you in the future to offer
some alternative deals but if you wish to correspond via email please do so.
Please except our apologies E2save.
===

Sounds like they've just decided it was too good an offer! Has anyone
actually received a phone on this offer? It's a bit annoying for them
to have run a credit check and then not fulfilled the order

Cheers

Alan

*Posted 28/2/06 with subject "BA: crazy month end 12m free deals from
E2Save"

Alan J Robertson wrote:

> I signed up for one of e2save's free K750 on Orange off-peak 1000 (with
> 12 months free line rental) offers after seeing Reestit Mutton's post*.

> My order was accepted but kept showing as awaiting stock - I'd received
> a message shortly after placing the order that warned of stock
> shortages. However after 2 weeks I thought I'd e-mail them and this was
> their reply...

[snip]

Yes, many people are reporting the same in the MSE forums. I had the
same experience when I ordered one of these 'deals' from OSPS when they
first appeared a couple of months ago. A bunch of cheating scumbags -
you have had a lucky escape - if it's this hard to get a phone out of
them, think how hard it's going to be to get the cashback!

Tariq

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:35:41 +0000, Alan J Robertson
<ajr@nnnnooooosppaam.alanjrobertson.taanyway.co.uk > wrote:

>I signed up for one of e2save's free K750 on Orange off-peak 1000 (with
>12 months free line rental) offers after seeing Reestit Mutton's post*.

Me too.

> Has anyone actually received a phone on this offer?

I did. And I think several people posted here that they'd received
their phones within a couple of days of ordering.

--
Benedict

"Alan J Robertson" <ajr@nnnnooooosppaam.alanjrobertson.taanyway.co.uk > wrote
in message news:uIOdnYm0n8ViMoTZRVnyuw@pipex.net...
> Hi folks
>
> I signed up for one of e2save's free K750 on Orange off-peak 1000 (with 12
> months free line rental) offers after seeing Reestit Mutton's post*.
>
> My order was accepted but kept showing as awaiting stock - I'd received a
> message shortly after placing the order that warned of stock shortages.
> However after 2 weeks I thought I'd e-mail them and this was their
> reply...
>
> ===
> Dear Alan Robertson
>
> I am afraid all the off-peak offers have been suspended as we can no
> longer offer these deals. We will be ringing you in the future to offer
> some alternative deals but if you wish to correspond via email please do
> so.
> Please except our apologies E2save.
> ===
>
> Sounds like they've just decided it was too good an offer! Has anyone
> actually received a phone on this offer? It's a bit annoying for them to
> have run a credit check and then not fulfilled the order
>
> Cheers
>
> Alan
>
> *Posted 28/2/06 with subject "BA: crazy month end 12m free deals from
> E2Save"

IMHO they are in breech of contract.

Write back and tell them, that either they supply or you will take the next
best deal available on the open market and bill them the difference (back up
with threat of legal action). Given they might not be around in a year, you
might prefer to estimate the loss and sue (or at least threaten) now.

BTW "renege" is the word you are looking for - as in "Oh to renege now the
deal is done!" (say it out loud if you don't get it at once).

R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>
> IMHO they are in breech of contract.
>
> Write back and tell them, that either they supply or you will take the next
> best deal available on the open market and bill them the difference (back up
> with threat of legal action). Given they might not be around in a year, you
> might prefer to estimate the loss and sue (or at least threaten) now.

I'm annoyed but not that fussed - I've already got 2 contracts on the go
with them so want to make sure I get my cashback payment off those
rather than threaten them with legal action over this one!

The order still says 'awaiting stock' on their order tracker so I
suppose it's yet possible!

A.

Alan J Robertson wrote:
> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>
>>
>> IMHO they are in breech of contract.
>>
>> Write back and tell them, that either they supply or you will take the
>> next best deal available on the open market and bill them the
>> difference (back up with threat of legal action). Given they might
>> not be around in a year, you might prefer to estimate the loss and sue
>> (or at least threaten) now.
>
>
> I'm annoyed but not that fussed - I've already got 2 contracts on the go
> with them so want to make sure I get my cashback payment off those
> rather than threaten them with legal action over this one!
>
> The order still says 'awaiting stock' on their order tracker so I
> suppose it's yet possible!
>
> A.
there is no breach of contract until you have been charged some money,
or a financial transaction has occoured. or thats the basics of it
anyway. u can argue the fine points all you want, but until they charge
your credit card, or take .01p from you its not a contract its an OFFER
of SERVICE.


A.

In message <1142535138.329953.52980@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups. com>, Tariq
<xycom1@yahoo.com> writes
>
>Alan J Robertson wrote:
>
>> I signed up for one of e2save's free K750 on Orange off-peak 1000 (with
>> 12 months free line rental) offers after seeing Reestit Mutton's post*.
>
>> My order was accepted but kept showing as awaiting stock - I'd received
>> a message shortly after placing the order that warned of stock
>> shortages. However after 2 weeks I thought I'd e-mail them and this was
>> their reply...
>
>[snip]
>
>Yes, many people are reporting the same in the MSE forums. I had the
>same experience when I ordered one of these 'deals' from OSPS when they
>first appeared a couple of months ago. A bunch of cheating scumbags -
>you have had a lucky escape - if it's this hard to get a phone out of
>them, think how hard it's going to be to get the cashback!
>
>Tariq

I received one. I also received a very clear instruction guide on when
to send back the various vouchers - best instructions I've seen so far!;
basically had some bits and bobs (including clear returns policy and
contact numbers) and also the following chart:

Month of purchase | 4th bill | 8th bill | 12th bill
issued in issued in issued in
January April August December
February May September January
[etc]

so there can be little/no misunderstanding about when to send in the
relevant paperwork. The accompanying question sheet even told you that
you could cancel the contract during the 11th month, then your closing
bill is acceptable (amongst other sensible FAQs). I was quite
impressed! A little bit of thought had obviously gone into the paperwork
and I suspect in will benefit e2save in the long run because less people
will have questions regarding cashback to ask them.
--
Paul G
Typing from Barking

> there is no breach of contract until you have been charged some money, or
> a financial transaction has occoured. or thats the basics of it anyway. u
> can argue the fine points all you want, but until they charge your credit
> card, or take .01p from you its not a contract its an OFFER of SERVICE.

I'd argue that doing a credit check - if you can prove that they have done
so - constitutes consideration.

Benedict.

>I'd argue that doing a credit check - if you can prove that they have done
>so - constitutes consideration.
>
>Benedict.

Whether they accepted you or declined you for a contract they would do
a credit check, so as a credit check could be done prior to their
declining to accept you it could not be taken as an implicit
acceptance.

However if they had accepted you and were just waiting on supplies of
phones then it would be different.

"a8359" <a8359@email.com> wrote in message
news:47ub8uFh54hdU1@individual.net...
> Alan J Robertson wrote:
>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> IMHO they are in breech of contract.
>>>
<snip>
> there is no breach of contract until you have been charged some money,
> or a financial transaction has occoured. or thats the basics of it
> anyway. u can argue the fine points all you want, but until they
> charge your credit card, or take .01p from you its not a contract its
> an OFFER of SERVICE.
>
Sorry, that's utter nonsense.

There are various criteria that must be met before a contract can be
formed, but they relate to the parties and to the expressed or implied
terms of the contract. Offer, acceptance, intent, capacity,
consideration are the ones usually listed.

On your reasoning, if A signs a contract with B for B to make a million
widgets specially for A, and the terms state that within so long of
their being delivered A will pay £x for them, then A can wait till he's
received all the widgets and then say "tough - we've not got a contract
because I've not paid you for them, so I'm under no obligation to pay
you at all".

The "consideration" element is to distinguish contracts from simple
promises: if I walk up to you in the street and say "I'll give you a
pound" without expecting anything in return (the "consideration" on your
part) (not even that you stop using the absurd form "u" for "you"), then
you can't take action against me later if I don't, even if, say, you'd
already entered a contract to buy a newspaper on the anticipation of
having the wherewithal to pay for it.


--
Kevin Poole
**Use current month and year to reply (e.g. feb2006@mainbeam.co.uk)***
Car Transport by Tiltbed Trailer - based near Derby

I ordered 2 D600s but it was delayed while they checked with Orange.
By the time that was okayed they'd run out of D600s.

I've received a 2nd email saying they're not sending them.

"Thank you for you recent order placed on the Orange Off Peak 1000.
Unfortunately due to the unexpected demand for this tariff Orange have
withdrawn this tariff and as such we are unable to fulfil this offer
to you."

I get the impression Orange don't know what they're doing lately!

In message <8dll121l0lr17jv249h2koegf58c64apb8@4ax.com>,
pjlusenet@yahoo.co.uk writes
>I ordered 2 D600s but it was delayed while they checked with Orange.
>By the time that was okayed they'd run out of D600s.
>
>I've received a 2nd email saying they're not sending them.
>
>"Thank you for you recent order placed on the Orange Off Peak 1000.
>Unfortunately due to the unexpected demand for this tariff Orange have
>withdrawn this tariff and as such we are unable to fulfil this offer
>to you."
>
>I get the impression Orange don't know what they're doing lately!
>
Sounds strange and it makes me wonder if that was Orange or e2save, it
is all too easy to blame someone else. There are still offers being
advertised on that tariff so they probably mean that they have withdrawn
that particular phone on that tariff but do you really believe that
Orange made that decision?
--
Paul Harris

> Sounds like they've just decided it was too good an offer! Has anyone
> actually received a phone on this offer? It's a bit annoying for them to
> have run a credit check and then not fulfilled the order

We got the 6230i (new, not reconditioned) for free on the 12 months free
deal. It arrived last week after lots of chasing.

Benedict.

I got 2 RAZR's, even though I only wanted 1.
They picked up the second one at their expense withing 24 hours, and I too
was impressed with the cashback instructions.


"Alan J Robertson" <ajr@nnnnooooosppaam.alanjrobertson.taanyway.co.uk > wrote
in message news:uIOdnYm0n8ViMoTZRVnyuw@pipex.net...
> Hi folks
>
> I signed up for one of e2save's free K750 on Orange off-peak 1000 (with
> 12 months free line rental) offers after seeing Reestit Mutton's post*.
>
> My order was accepted but kept showing as awaiting stock - I'd received
> a message shortly after placing the order that warned of stock
> shortages. However after 2 weeks I thought I'd e-mail them and this was
> their reply...
>
> ===
> Dear Alan Robertson
>
> I am afraid all the off-peak offers have been suspended as we can no
> longer offer these deals. We will be ringing you in the future to offer
> some alternative deals but if you wish to correspond via email please do
so.
> Please except our apologies E2save.
> ===
>
> Sounds like they've just decided it was too good an offer! Has anyone
> actually received a phone on this offer? It's a bit annoying for them
> to have run a credit check and then not fulfilled the order
>
> Cheers
>
> Alan
>
> *Posted 28/2/06 with subject "BA: crazy month end 12m free deals from
> E2Save"