Congratulations!

Simon Ough wrote:
>
> The only reason you don't own a "friggin" mobile is that you are
> probably too "friggin" stupid to work one :-)

Oh *nobody's* that stupid surely. :-)

All you have to do is switch on, dial a number, press OK and talk. Not
terribly difficult to learn.

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[email protected] wrote:
>
> We do have that now. OK, 50 years ago they were not GSM mobile phones,
> and they ran at far higher power levels, but some people really have
> been using hand-held transceivers for that long.

But not with the antenna right beside the head.

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> Congratulations........

Congratulations, you're a Grade A knobhead. Doors that way --->

On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 23:23:03 +0100, "Old Codger"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> We do have that now. OK, 50 years ago they were not GSM mobile phones,
>> and they ran at far higher power levels, but some people really have
>> been using hand-held transceivers for that long.
>
>But not with the antenna right beside the head.

You are wrong. With the antenna right beside the head. That's how
hand-held transceivers work.

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"Old Codger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> But not with the antenna right beside the head.

The average mobile phone will only emit 1-2W of power, and that's only if
you are out in the sticks with very little signal. Most places have a strong
BTS signal, so phones will only emit 0.6W or less. Hardly brain cooking, is
it? Muppet.

"Old Codger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Oh *nobody's* that stupid surely. :-)
>
> All you have to do is switch on, dial a number, press OK and talk. Not
> terribly difficult to learn.

Maybe I should have replaced stupid with "ignorant".

Simon Ough wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Congratulations........
>
> Congratulations, you're a Grade A knobhead. Doors that way --->

I hope your microwave-emitting phone, and the microwave-emitting masts
that service them don't always keep your brain so inundated with
radiation that you never wake up to the fact of what a completely
braindead wanker you are, how much of an imposition on human rights
filling the public space with microwaves is 24- hours a day, how little
of a public service it is to do so, how minimal the difference in
utility between the landlines we call outmoded and the mobile phones
that actually require to spew out microwaves everywhere to work,
technology that the Soviets rejected for this reason.

Sure, sit on your little f-ing pedestal and call me a wanker. You've
got your bandwagon-mates with their microwave-spewing toys there behind
you to rub your f-ing back. Its only because the big TV tells you what
your doing is great and you can rest easy in your little bed.
Microwaves, which is what mobile telephones rely on (and no, it's NOT
radiowaves, it's microwaves!) are naturally antagonistic to the working
of the human body, and they have already caused plenty of deaths and
sickness which people have been happy to write off as anomalies. Radios
work on radiowaves and they're clearly not dangerous.

What will the world be like tomorrow, when it's like this today? Who
cares? It's like this today.



Paul.

On 9 Jul 2006 04:04:32 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>
>Simon Ough wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Congratulations........
>>
>> Congratulations, you're a Grade A knobhead. Doors that way --->
>
>I hope your microwave-emitting phone, and the microwave-emitting masts
>that service them don't always keep your brain so inundated with
>radiation that you never wake up to the fact of what a completely
>braindead wanker you are, how much of an imposition on human rights
>filling the public space with microwaves is 24- hours a day, how little
>of a public service it is to do so, how minimal the difference in
>utility between the landlines we call outmoded and the mobile phones
>that actually require to spew out microwaves everywhere to work,
>technology that the Soviets rejected for this reason.
>
>Sure, sit on your little f-ing pedestal and call me a wanker. You've
>got your bandwagon-mates with their microwave-spewing toys there behind
>you to rub your f-ing back. Its only because the big TV tells you what
>your doing is great and you can rest easy in your little bed.
>Microwaves, which is what mobile telephones rely on (and no, it's NOT
>radiowaves, it's microwaves!) are naturally antagonistic to the working
>of the human body, and they have already caused plenty of deaths and
Paul, you are obviously not an Engineer. Do you not realise that
microwaves are radio waves? Microwave is only a classification. The
higher UHF TV frequencies are bordering on 'microwaves' and have been
in use for television, in this country since the 1960s with much
higher powers than are used for mobile phone transmitters. TV
transmitters, such as Emley Moor in Yorkshire, cover whole counties,
and more. Satellite communication uses microwaves. That has been in
use around the world for many years - we rely on the technology for
long distance telephone calls as well as television.
The frequencies used for mobile phones are not all that much higher
than those used for television.

You have to be most careful what you read. People who are ill informed
will write allsorts of rubbish and raise anxieties. I read allsorts of
technical things on the Net, and even in books, where the person who
has written it clearly does not understood what (s)he is writing
about. In the same way some people write about health issues when
they are not qualified to do so. This only raises confusion and
misunderstanding.
I am sure that you will find, if you researched it, that many people
thought the lower frequency radio waves might be harmful.

It is possible that something might be scientifically proved that
shows that current assessments of safe levels of microwave radiation
have been rated too high. However, there is no sign of that so far
except for the argument of using a mobile phone next the the human
head. You are clearly not doing that so I don't feel that you need to
worry at all. Extensive testing is carried out by Engineers and
Scientists, who are the best in their field, in order to set
standards. If you are ill you go to a doctor, if you want legal advice
you go to a solicitor, if you want to be advised about microwave
radiation then you would seek advice from an specialist Engineer or
Scientist, depending on the nature of advice you are seeking.
>sickness which people have been happy to write off as anomalies. Radios
>work on radiowaves and they're clearly not dangerous.
>
>What will the world be like tomorrow, when it's like this today? Who
>cares? It's like this today.
>
>
>
>Paul.


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On 9 Jul 2006 04:04:32 -0700, [email protected] drivelled

>Microwaves, which is what mobile telephones rely on (and no, it's NOT
>radiowaves, it's microwaves!)

Er, no.

Although microwaves are radio waves, mobile phones do not actually
operate in the microwave band.

>are naturally antagonistic to the working
>of the human body,

You may have a point there.

>and they have already caused plenty of deaths and
>sickness which people have been happy to write off as anomalies

Where is your evidence?

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Sure, sit on your little f-ing pedestal and call me a wanker.

Ok. You're a wanker. And a clueless one at that.

> Microwaves, which is what mobile telephones rely on (and no, it's NOT
> radiowaves, it's microwaves!)

Proof positive that you're either a troll or a ****wit ... maybe both.

Brian A wrote:
> On 9 Jul 2006 04:04:32 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >Microwaves, which is what mobile telephones rely on (and no, it's NOT
> >radiowaves, it's microwaves!)

> Paul, you are obviously not an Engineer. Do you not realise that
> microwaves are radio waves? Microwave is only a classification. The
> higher UHF TV frequencies are bordering on 'microwaves' and have been
> in use for television, in this country since the 1960s with much
> higher powers than are used for mobile phone transmitters. TV
> transmitters, such as Emley Moor in Yorkshire, cover whole counties,
> and more. Satellite communication uses microwaves. That has been in
> use around the world for many years - we rely on the technology for
> long distance telephone calls as well as television.
> The frequencies used for mobile phones are not all that much higher
> than those used for television.
>
> You have to be most careful what you read. People who are ill informed
> will write allsorts of rubbish and raise anxieties. I read allsorts of
> technical things on the Net, and even in books, where the person who
> has written it clearly does not understood what (s)he is writing
> about. In the same way some people write about health issues when
> they are not qualified to do so. This only raises confusion and
> misunderstanding.

There is little to add to this excellent explanation, except maybe to
point out how the ambiguity of the word may have misled people - why a
microwave oven is so called

In a microwave oven, radio waves at frequencies around 2.45 GHz are
absorbed by and heat up water and other substances (specifically the
hydroxyl bond). As food is mostly water, this is an excellent way to
cook. But an oven is about a thousand times more powerful than a phone,
though of course it is screened. But also, the frequencies in mobile
phone use do not have the same heating effect as the specifically
chosen range for the oven.

On another thread not far away someone said that you can cook an egg
between 2 phones; a spoof of course but some people are gullible. It is
clearly absolute nonsense, as the amount of stored energy in the phone
battery would run a kettle for less than 5 seconds, even if completely
turned to heat.

As Brian says, it may eventually be shown that intensive use of a phone
close to the head is not wise, but there is little evidence of harm.

Radio signals become weaker further from their source, on the square of
the distance, so average passive levels for non-phone users are
thousands of times lower, and the cumulative heating effect on the body
is totally negligable next to its own heat from burning food or being
in the sun. And they have no ionising effect like radioactivity.

Perhaps some of these remarks will reassure Paul's fears. On the other
hand, if all he wants is an excuse to hurl abuse at people then
perhaps the discussion has almost reached an end.

> laugh at itself. Thanks a bunch!!! And no, I don't own a frigging
> mobile. Never have.
>
> Paul
>

Yes...but what can you do...........?

Bet he is a smoker ! .....

On 9 Jul 2006 10:28:00 -0700, "andy" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>But an oven is about a thousand times more powerful than a phone,
>though of course it is screened

My microwave oven has an output of 1000 watts. A GSM mobile phone has
a maximum output of half a watt.

I make that two thousand times as powerful.

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[email protected] wrote:
> On 9 Jul 2006 10:28:00 -0700, "andy" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >But an oven is about a thousand times more powerful than a phone,
> >though of course it is screened
>
> My microwave oven has an output of 1000 watts. A GSM mobile phone has
> a maximum output of half a watt.
>
> I make that two thousand times as powerful.

I'm sorry: it seems to be contagious - I didn't realise we all had to
be pedantic twits on here

Ours is 600 watts