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Old 07-30-2006, 12:28 PM   #16
Ivor Jones
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"Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f36f7de49bec7ac98a243@text.usenet.plus.n et
> usenet.user@dsl.spammepipex.com declared for all the
> world to hear...
> > Around 80% of mobile phones will be blocked on all five
> > UK networks within 48 hours of being reported stolen in
> > future, industry leaders have pledged.

>
> I thought that 100% of phones reported stolen would
> already be blacklisted within hours of being reported?


You work for Orange, right Jon..? Can you confirm or deny whether Orange
will or will not backlist the IMEI of handsets not bought from them, i.e.
SIM-free ones..?

I had to get my MP involved when I had a SIM-free 6310i stolen with an
Orange SIM in it. They barred the SIM ok no problem, but it took a letter
with the Houses of Parliament letterhead before they barred the handset.

I still have a copy of the letter in case it ever happens again.

Ivor




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Old 07-30-2006, 12:33 PM   #17
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ivor@despammed.invalid declared for all the world to hear...
> You work for Orange, right Jon..? Can you confirm or deny whether Orange
> will or will not backlist the IMEI of handsets not bought from them, i.e.
> SIM-free ones..?


I'm not sure to be honest, it's quite easy to do I think. I've certainly
managed it before for customers with minimal resistance.

It's not to do with weather the phone was purchased from Orange or not.
Take a scenario where you buy a PAYG SIM card. You register that SIM
properly quoting the IMEI of the phone you intend to use. You then
report it and it will get blacklisted.
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Old 07-30-2006, 12:37 PM   #18
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Jon wrote:
> ivor@despammed.invalid declared for all the world to hear...
>> You work for Orange, right Jon..? Can you confirm or deny whether Orange
>> will or will not backlist the IMEI of handsets not bought from them, i.e.
>> SIM-free ones..?

>
> I'm not sure to be honest, it's quite easy to do I think. I've certainly
> managed it before for customers with minimal resistance.
>
> It's not to do with weather the phone was purchased from Orange or not.
> Take a scenario where you buy a PAYG SIM card. You register that SIM
> properly quoting the IMEI of the phone you intend to use. You then
> report it and it will get blacklisted.


Orange's blacklisting system didn't accept IMEI's from non-Orange
handsets at one point (upto around 2 years ago). Whether or not that's
changed, I don't know.. I'd guess it hasn't though.
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Old 07-30-2006, 06:24 PM   #19
Jonathan Morris
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Orite wrote:
> Around 80% of mobile phones will be blocked on all five UK networks within
> 48 hours of being reported stolen in future, industry leaders have pledged.


This is good news, but John Reid is most likely getting involved to set
the networks up for when the crime figures go up (or don't go down). By
putting the emphasis on the networks to bar the phones, it gives the
Government the perfect excuse next time around; it's not THEIR fault
but the likes of Vodafone, Orange etc.

When he said it would help reduce street robberies (yet, this won't
stop the theft of cameras and iPods) it was on the assumption that
criminals steal phones to sell on in the UK. Any criminal worth his
salt will sell the phone to someone that exports them, rather than try
and get a few quid in a pub. These phones will be reprogrammed en
masse, or sent to countries that can't afford to, or simply won't,
consult the international IMEI register.

I'm always surprised that the police in the UK don't properly recognise
that exporting is a bigger problem than reprogramming a phone for
re-use in the UK. The law will soon change on reprogramming (so you can
be prosecuted for simply offering to reprogramme a phone even if you're
not caught in the act) but even that might not have the desired effect
of cutting the number of phones being stolen.

I might be proved wrong, but sadly I doubt it.

Jonathan
(What Mobile magazine)

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