Confused about Virgin, which provider cost charge does it use?

08-28-2006, 09:34 AM

Hi, I have a Virgin sim and use several VOIP services, on my bills calls to
my mobile are charged as a Three mobile which is more expensive than
T-Mobile which i understand teh service is based on.
I used to be on three but moved to get a service which worked. I want to
http://www.icstis.org.uk/consumers/ncd/default.asp which checks numbers and
that still refers to the number as 3.

Question:
1-Is this normal?
2-if not to abobe who's fault is it

08-28-2006, 09:47 AM

It happens that RH formulated :
> Hi, I have a Virgin sim and use several VOIP services, on my bills calls to
> my mobile are charged as a Three mobile which is more expensive than
> T-Mobile which i understand teh service is based on.
> I used to be on three but moved to get a service which worked. I want to
> http://www.icstis.org.uk/consumers/ncd/default.asp which checks numbers and
> that still refers to the number as 3.
>
> Question:
> 1-Is this normal?

Yes, because it is still a 3 number, even though you've ported it
elsewhere. How could it all be tracked, anyway, if you expected it to
be different? Who would maintain a list of all the individual ports?
the only way is to ignore the port & bill based upon the first 5 digits
of the number.

The only network that know you've ported are the losing & gaining ones.
how could the others know?

> 2-if not to abobe who's fault is it

It's your fault for starting with a 3 number. Consider the fact that
you could've started with , say, an O2 pre-pay sim.

abobe?

08-28-2006, 09:56 AM

Thus spaketh Jono:
> It happens that RH formulated :
>> Hi, I have a Virgin sim and use several VOIP services, on my bills
>> calls to my mobile are charged as a Three mobile which is more
>> expensive than T-Mobile which i understand teh service is based on.
>> I used to be on three but moved to get a service which worked. I
>> want to http://www.icstis.org.uk/consumers/ncd/default.asp which
>> checks numbers and that still refers to the number as 3.
>>
>> Question:
>> 1-Is this normal?
>
> Yes, because it is still a 3 number, even though you've ported it
> elsewhere. How could it all be tracked, anyway, if you expected it to
> be different? Who would maintain a list of all the individual ports?
> the only way is to ignore the port & bill based upon the first 5
> digits of the number.
>
> The only network that know you've ported are the losing & gaining
> ones. how could the others know?
>
>> 2-if not to abobe who's fault is it
>
> It's your fault for starting with a 3 number. Consider the fact that
> you could've started with , say, an O2 pre-pay sim.
>
> abobe?

Yes, it was best to start with an O2 number, as that was the cheapest
number to call from a landline.

When you port numbers, the cost to call from a landline is that of the
original network the number was from.

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08-28-2006, 12:56 PM

{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> Thus spaketh Jono:
> > It happens that RH formulated :
> >> Hi, I have a Virgin sim and use several VOIP services, on my bills
> >> calls to my mobile are charged as a Three mobile which is more
> >> expensive than T-Mobile which i understand teh service is based on.
> >> I used to be on three but moved to get a service which worked. I
> >> want to http://www.icstis.org.uk/consumers/ncd/default.asp which
> >> checks numbers and that still refers to the number as 3.
> >>
> >> Question:
> >> 1-Is this normal?
> >
> > Yes, because it is still a 3 number, even though you've ported it
> > elsewhere. How could it all be tracked, anyway, if you expected it to
> > be different? Who would maintain a list of all the individual ports?
> > the only way is to ignore the port & bill based upon the first 5
> > digits of the number.
> >
> > The only network that know you've ported are the losing & gaining
> > ones. how could the others know?
> >
> >> 2-if not to abobe who's fault is it
> >
> > It's your fault for starting with a 3 number. Consider the fact that
> > you could've started with , say, an O2 pre-pay sim.
> >
> > abobe?
>
>
> Yes, it was best to start with an O2 number, as that was the cheapest
> number to call from a landline.
>
> When you port numbers, the cost to call from a landline is that of the
> original network the number was from.
>
>
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> Items for sale: www.dodgy-dealer.co.uk

Use 18185 who treat all networks the same. 4p connection. 5p a minute M
to F.2p a min weekends.

08-28-2006, 03:47 PM

> The only network that know you've ported are the losing & gaining ones.
> how could the others know?
>
>> 2-if not to abobe who's fault is it
>
> It's your fault for starting with a 3 number. Consider the fact that you
> could've started with , say, an O2 pre-pay sim.
>
> abobe?
>

Thanks for the help, learn something new everyday, I thought there might be
some kind of master database,
abobe : Above . sorry no excuse but fighting the flue at the moment, typing
skills all over the place.

I am guessing even there is no master database at a national level, each
Mobile Operator has a database of their
own numbers which are looked up for bill;ing, or does calling a ported
number on same network still get charged as a call to another
network.

As for starting with 3, we all do things we are ashamed of.

08-28-2006, 04:26 PM

Thus spaketh jhp247@googlemail.com:
> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
>> Thus spaketh Jono:
>>> It happens that RH formulated :
>>>> Hi, I have a Virgin sim and use several VOIP services, on my bills
>>>> calls to my mobile are charged as a Three mobile which is more
>>>> expensive than T-Mobile which i understand teh service is based on.
>>>> I used to be on three but moved to get a service which worked. I
>>>> want to http://www.icstis.org.uk/consumers/ncd/default.asp which
>>>> checks numbers and that still refers to the number as 3.
>>>>
>>>> Question:
>>>> 1-Is this normal?
>>>
>>> Yes, because it is still a 3 number, even though you've ported it
>>> elsewhere. How could it all be tracked, anyway, if you expected it
>>> to be different? Who would maintain a list of all the individual
>>> ports? the only way is to ignore the port & bill based upon the
>>> first 5 digits of the number.
>>>
>>> The only network that know you've ported are the losing & gaining
>>> ones. how could the others know?
>>>
>>>> 2-if not to abobe who's fault is it
>>>
>>> It's your fault for starting with a 3 number. Consider the fact that
>>> you could've started with , say, an O2 pre-pay sim.
>>>
>>> abobe?
>>
>>
>> Yes, it was best to start with an O2 number, as that was the cheapest
>> number to call from a landline.
>>
>> When you port numbers, the cost to call from a landline is that of
>> the original network the number was from.
>>
>>
>
> Use 18185 who treat all networks the same. 4p connection. 5p a minute
> M to F.2p a min weekends.

That they do, I was one of the first wave of people using, 18866, 1899
and then 18185 when they came into existence, however not everyone reads
the newsgroups or MSE.

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08-29-2006, 01:57 AM

{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> When you port numbers, the cost to call from a landline is that of the
> original network the number was from.

I am rather surprised that the regulator allows that to happen. I
rather think a campaign is called for.

08-29-2006, 04:37 AM

<robertharvey@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1156834631.181032.81480@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com
> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> > When you port numbers, the cost to call from a landline
> > is that of the original network the number was from.
>
> I am rather surprised that the regulator allows that to
> happen. I rather think a campaign is called for.

I may be wrong, but I'm not sure it's technically possible to tell.

Ivor

08-29-2006, 05:01 AM

robertharvey@my-deja.com wrote:
> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> > When you port numbers, the cost to call from a landline is that of the
> > original network the number was from.
>
> I am rather surprised that the regulator allows that to happen. I
> rather think a campaign is called for.

The call routes via 3 -- and hence your provider has to interconnect
with 3 and pay 3's interconnection charges.

08-29-2006, 11:31 AM

In article <1156834631.181032.81480@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
robertharvey@my-deja.com wrote:

> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> > When you port numbers, the cost to call from a landline is that of the
> > original network the number was from.
>
> I am rather surprised that the regulator allows that to happen. I
> rather think a campaign is called for.

If the mobile networks were forced to have the same termination charge
then there would be no need for a landline company to make a distinction.

08-30-2006, 07:49 AM

Chris Leuty wrote:
> In article <1156834631.181032.81480@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
> robertharvey@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > {{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> > > When you port numbers, the cost to call from a landline is that of the
> > > original network the number was from.
> >
> > I am rather surprised that the regulator allows that to happen. I
> > rather think a campaign is called for.
>
> If the mobile networks were forced to have the same termination charge
> then there would be no need for a landline company to make a distinction.

The regulator allows H3G to have higher termination charges while they
establish themselves in the market.