Whoops.. Don't forget to put the clocks back

"andrew" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> the arguments for keeping present system are to the benefit of orkney
> farmers
> not us in the south of gods country


ROFL you illiterate twat, what difference will it make to farmers in Orkney?
You do realise that changing the clocks won't make any difference to the
amount of sunlight don't you?

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Michael Swift said:
> In article <[email protected]>, bongo
> <-@deeeenoregistrar.?.co.uk_> writes
> >i remember when it happened in the 60s.
> >we were all given reflective arm-bands as it was dark when we left
> >school at the end of the day.
>
> Indeed, all these numpties who want various changes seem to forget there
> are only so many hours of daylight in winter, what you gain at one end
> of the day you lose at the other.
>

It's just that many of us would like it to get dark at 4:30pm instead of
3:30pm on the shorter days and at 6:00pm instead of 5:00pm on the run up
and run down as this would at least give the illusion of more day light.

In the morning, dark is dark is dark is dark and it matters not one jot
as most kids get driven to school these days and few of us have cows we
have to get up and milk.

And an extra hour of light in the evening in the summer would be pretty
cool too!

Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
> [snip]
>
>> I'd rather have an extra hour of light in the evening,
>> I'm all for moving to CET/CEST. As for Scotland there is
>> no reason that they couldn't if they wished remain on the
>> current time, I have nothing against Scottish people as
>> they are human just like most of us, plus some of my
>> family are Scottish, also I never have any problems when
>> I'm up there in the cold, dark extremes of Scotland.
>
> But you don't *get* an "extra" hour of light..! The amount of
> daylight in any given day is not determined by a clock..!

I want the extra hour an the evening not in the morning, which was what
I said, I fully understand the amount of light in any 23hr 56 minutes
will be the same whether our clocks are on GMT,BST, CET or CEST. That's
not the point, because we live our time around a clock I'd rather have
the clocks moved to provider more light at night than in the morning.

>
> That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there, but it's in the
> morning, while you're lying in bed. Get up earlier and go to bed
> earlier; start school/work at 8 instead of 9 or whatever it is.
> Problem solved.

I come in from work at 05:00 during the summer this is light, during the
winter it is dark, so to me moving the clocks forward and hour will have
little affect on my coming home from work.

>
> Think about it; what did people do before clocks were invented..?
> They got up when the sun rose and went to bed when it set.
>

But clocks have been invented, and one or two people aren't going to be
able to change their working pattern, maybe for those who have flex-time
maybe, bt for those in a 09:00 - 17:00 job, I'm sure their boss is going
to be happy if the come in at a different time, the place may not even
be open.

Do you think my kids school is going to allow my kids to turn up and
start school work at 07:50 ? Come on keep it real!

That is just a crazy thing to say, and pointless thing to say.

> Ivor

I usually sleep around 11:00 / 12:00 until 18:00 / 19:00 as my
body-clock is 12 hours out due to normally working 21:00 - 05:00, so for
my days off it would be great (mainly during the summer) to have light
evenings.


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Ivor Jones said:
> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
> [snip]
>
> > I'd rather have an extra hour of light in the evening,
> > I'm all for moving to CET/CEST. As for Scotland there is
> > no reason that they couldn't if they wished remain on the
> > current time, I have nothing against Scottish people as
> > they are human just like most of us, plus some of my
> > family are Scottish, also I never have any problems when
> > I'm up there in the cold, dark extremes of Scotland.
>
> But you don't *get* an "extra" hour of light..! The amount of daylight in
> any given day is not determined by a clock..!

Surely you realise people are referring to an extra hour of light at the
end of the clock marked day rather than at the beginning and that they
do actually appreciate that fiddling with this marking of the passage of
time does not actually create or destroy day light. :-)

> That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there, but it's in the
> morning, while you're lying in bed. Get up earlier and go to bed earlier;
> start school/work at 8 instead of 9 or whatever it is. Problem solved.

In the morning few of us can make good use of it so it is wasted.

> Think about it; what did people do before clocks were invented..? They got
> up when the sun rose and went to bed when it set.

I think you are confusing people having clocks with them having access
to artificial light.

"Bert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[snip]

> It's just that many of us would like it to get dark at
> 4:30pm instead of 3:30pm on the shorter days and at
> 6:00pm instead of 5:00pm on the run up and run down as
> this would at least give the illusion of more day light.

So get up earlier instead of sleeping the daylight away..!

> In the morning, dark is dark is dark is dark and it
> matters not one jot as most kids get driven to school
> these days and few of us have cows we have to get up and
> milk.

Like I said, get up earlier and start work/school at 8 instead of 9. Then
when you finish it will still be light.

What do you think people did before clocks..?!

> And an extra hour of light in the evening in the summer
> would be pretty cool too!

So don't sleep it away in the morning..!

Ivor

Thus spaketh Phaeton:
> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
>> Thus spaketh andrew:
>>> Fatbøy øf the Underwørld wrote:
>>>> Don't forget to put the clocks back before you go to bed on
>>>> Saturday night!
>>>
>>>
>>> the arguments for keeping present system are to the benefit of
>>> orkney farmers
>>> not us in the south of gods country
>>>
>>> so why dont the feckin jocks in feckin jockland have their hour
>>> extra and we keep to European time
>>> **** them anyway they are no friends of ours
>>>
>>> andrew
>>
>> I'd rather have an extra hour of light in the evening, I'm all for
>> moving to CET/CEST. As for Scotland there is no reason that they
>> couldn't if they wished remain on the current time, I have nothing
>> against Scottish people as they are human just like most of us, plus
>> some of my family are Scottish, also I never have any problems when
>> I'm up there in the cold, dark extremes of Scotland.
>>
>>
>
> They wanted devolution so let them have it, stop all Scottish MP's
> voting on English bills (that'd stuff Uncle Gordon up next year) & let
> them have their own timezone if they wanted.


I have no problems with devolution, when I chat to my brother who spent
most of his life in Scotland there are some things like defence they are
happy we are all to be a part of, but for most other things I agree I
see no reason why N.Ireland, Scotland Wales and England can't vote / run
the individual countries their own way within the EU.


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"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
wrote in message
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> I want the extra hour an the evening not in the morning,
> which was what I said, I fully understand the amount of
> light in any 23hr 56 minutes will be the same whether our
> clocks are on GMT,BST, CET or CEST. That's not the
> point, because we live our time around a clock I'd rather
> have the clocks moved to provider more light at night
> than in the morning.

So change working hours not clocks.

> > That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there, but
> > it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed. Get up
> > earlier and go to bed earlier; start school/work at 8
> > instead of 9 or whatever it is. Problem solved.
>
> I come in from work at 05:00 during the summer this is
> light, during the winter it is dark, so to me moving the
> clocks forward and hour will have little affect on my
> coming home from work.

I work shifts as well, but I don't see the difference between working 8 to
4 instead of 9 to 5. It's not that great a leap, surely..?

> > Think about it; what did people do before clocks were
> > invented..? They got up when the sun rose and went to
> > bed when it set.
>
> But clocks have been invented, and one or two people
> aren't going to be able to change their working pattern,
> maybe for those who have flex-time maybe, bt for those in
> a 09:00 - 17:00 job, I'm sure their boss is going to be
> happy if the come in at a different time, the place may
> not even be open.

So change working hours.

> Do you think my kids school is going to allow my kids to
> turn up and start school work at 07:50 ? Come on keep it
> real!

It is real. Instead of the government saying change the clocks twice a
year, they could just say change working hours instead.

>
> That is just a crazy thing to say, and pointless thing to
> say.

It's no crazier than adjusting every clock in the country twice a year.

Ivor

"Bert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones said:
> > "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
> > wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > I'd rather have an extra hour of light in the evening,
> > > I'm all for moving to CET/CEST. As for Scotland
> > > there is no reason that they couldn't if they wished
> > > remain on the current time, I have nothing against
> > > Scottish people as they are human just like most of
> > > us, plus some of my family are Scottish, also I never
> > > have any problems when I'm up there in the cold, dark
> > > extremes of Scotland.
> >
> > But you don't *get* an "extra" hour of light..! The
> > amount of daylight in any given day is not determined
> > by a clock..!
>
> Surely you realise people are referring to an extra hour
> of light at the end of the clock marked day rather than
> at the beginning and that they do actually appreciate
> that fiddling with this marking of the passage of time
> does not actually create or destroy day light. :-)

Do I have to ***** it out..?! They are complaining that their kids are
coming home from school in the dark. So instead of fiddling with countless
clocks, change school/office hours from 9-5 to 8-4 or whatever they are.
Get up earlier and go to bed earlier. Simple.

> > That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there, but
> > it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed. Get up
> > earlier and go to bed earlier; start school/work at 8
> > instead of 9 or whatever it is. Problem solved.
>
> In the morning few of us can make good use of it so it is
> wasted.

If working hours were changed instead of clocks it wouldn't be wasted,
would it..?

> > Think about it; what did people do before clocks were
> > invented..? They got up when the sun rose and went to
> > bed when it set.
>
> I think you are confusing people having clocks with them
> having access to artificial light.

Not at all, read what I said again.

Ivor

> What none of them seem to have the brain cells to work out is that the
> number of hours of available daylight in any given day has bugger all to
> do with what a clock says..! They lie in bed for an extra hour, sleeping
> the daylight away, then complain that little Johnny has to walk home from
> school in the dark.
>
> Why don't people just get up an hour earlier and go to bed an hour
> earlier, start work/school etc. at 8 instead of 9 etc., problem solved.
>

If lessons don't start until 9am and then the child wants to leave at 2pm
instead of 3pm, I'm sure the local authority education police might have
something to say about it.

However, not really an issue in most of the schools in my area, because the
majority start at 8.20am and finish around 2.30pm. Teachers must love only
having to work half days.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:09:32 +0000, Stickems. wrote:

> Moving the clocks twice a year is a nonsense. A relic of muddled thinking,
> initiated during the war to allow farm workers to work later in daylight. It
> was a barmy idea then, it is a hilariously stupid one now.
>
>
> "Fatbøy øf the Underwørld" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> | Don't forget to put the clocks back before you go to bed on Saturday
> night!
> |
> |
Long time lurker -

We live ON the 0 degree meridian - i.e. our LOCAL time IS GMT (UT/UTC/Zulu
- what ever) so the sun crosses the meridian (due south) at or around noon
when we are on GMT. i.e. daylight is evenly spread round noon (middle of
the day!!) So leave the bugger alone. quit mucking with it - it give me
jet lag twice a year and no nice holiday either!

As I say we are at (or around) 0 degrees so lets have real local time -
sun is due south at noon - i.e. GMT

There was a time when Portugal - west of us - was on CET and that was
STUPID, talk about dark mornings, light nights!!even worse in the summer

The nomad - voting for any party that will leave the bloody clocks on GMT
12 months of a year!

Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
> "Bert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
> [snip]
>
>> It's just that many of us would like it to get dark at
>> 4:30pm instead of 3:30pm on the shorter days and at
>> 6:00pm instead of 5:00pm on the run up and run down as
>> this would at least give the illusion of more day light.
>
> So get up earlier instead of sleeping the daylight away..!
>
>> In the morning, dark is dark is dark is dark and it
>> matters not one jot as most kids get driven to school
>> these days and few of us have cows we have to get up and
>> milk.
>
> Like I said, get up earlier and start work/school at 8 instead of 9.
> Then when you finish it will still be light.

All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded the
school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to switch
hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times, the only way
is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.


>
> What do you think people did before clocks..?!
>

Is of no importance to todays society.

>> And an extra hour of light in the evening in the summer
>> would be pretty cool too!
>
> So don't sleep it away in the morning..!
>

All well and good getting up an hour earlier when our clock haven't
changed, as everything else will still be running on the current time,
so may not be open an hour earlier.

Come on, you don't normally spout nonsense.

> Ivor

"Bohica" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I came back from Seville, Spain at the end of September, and I thought how
> bizarre it was that the locals were getting up and going to work/school in
> the pitch black and it didn't get light until around 9am.

Um, I think your clock was a bit out. I was in Spain last week, and it got
light about eight am.

Ali

Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>> I want the extra hour an the evening not in the morning,
>> which was what I said, I fully understand the amount of
>> light in any 23hr 56 minutes will be the same whether our
>> clocks are on GMT,BST, CET or CEST. That's not the
>> point, because we live our time around a clock I'd rather
>> have the clocks moved to provider more light at night
>> than in the morning.
>
> So change working hours not clocks.
>

I can't, that my hours for my Job, it's not one or two weeks at those
hours, it's every week of the year.


>>> That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there, but
>>> it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed. Get up
>>> earlier and go to bed earlier; start school/work at 8
>>> instead of 9 or whatever it is. Problem solved.
>>
>> I come in from work at 05:00 during the summer this is
>> light, during the winter it is dark, so to me moving the
>> clocks forward and hour will have little affect on my
>> coming home from work.
>
> I work shifts as well, but I don't see the difference between working
> 8 to 4 instead of 9 to 5. It's not that great a leap, surely..?
>

But I have to work 21:00 - 05:00. That's my job. The computers I have
to work on are already listed by my manager who works 09:00 - 17:00, but
even if I was to turn up at 20:00 I can't swipe out until 04:45 at the
earliest and security are told not to allow anyone off site until 04:45
at the earliest. We get paid for working extra hours past our usual
hours, but not for hours before, so even if I worked for two hours
before 21:00 I wouldn't be paid for them, and even if I finished at
03:00 I'd have to stay until 05:00. Sometimes when the swipe machine
stops working and you have good security on you can leave early, but you
don't know before hand if the machines are going to be faulty.

Yes, one hour difference isn't much of a difference but for most people
work won't allow then to alter their work pattern by one hour, all well
and good saying work from 08:00 until 16:00 but pointless when work only
allows you to work 09:00 - 17:00

>>> Think about it; what did people do before clocks were
>>> invented..? They got up when the sun rose and went to
>>> bed when it set.
>>
>> But clocks have been invented, and one or two people
>> aren't going to be able to change their working pattern,
>> maybe for those who have flex-time maybe, bt for those in
>> a 09:00 - 17:00 job, I'm sure their boss is going to be
>> happy if the come in at a different time, the place may
>> not even be open.
>
> So change working hours.

Pointless remark, if your place of work only allows you to work 09:00 -
17:00 you ain't going to be able to work 08:00 - 16:00


>
>> Do you think my kids school is going to allow my kids to
>> turn up and start school work at 07:50 ? Come on keep it
>> real!
>
> It is real. Instead of the government saying change the clocks twice a
> year, they could just say change working hours instead.
>
>>
>> That is just a crazy thing to say, and pointless thing to
>> say.
>
> It's no crazier than adjusting every clock in the country twice a
> year.

The rest of Europe change their clocks at the same time also, so it's
not just this country that is crazy.

Yes it would be nice for people to be able to alter their hours, but
that's not going to happen, so changing the clocks is the best method.

Can you really see a business for example advertising their hours as
maybe 08:00, maybe 08:30 maybe 09:00, maybe 09:30 until maybe 16:00,
maybe 16:30, maybe 17:00 all depends on when workers come in to work.

There does need to be some set hours of business for many businesses if
they can't run 24/7.

> Ivor

Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
> "Bert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> Ivor Jones said:
>>> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
>>> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> I'd rather have an extra hour of light in the evening,
>>>> I'm all for moving to CET/CEST. As for Scotland
>>>> there is no reason that they couldn't if they wished
>>>> remain on the current time, I have nothing against
>>>> Scottish people as they are human just like most of
>>>> us, plus some of my family are Scottish, also I never
>>>> have any problems when I'm up there in the cold, dark
>>>> extremes of Scotland.
>>>
>>> But you don't *get* an "extra" hour of light..! The
>>> amount of daylight in any given day is not determined
>>> by a clock..!
>>
>> Surely you realise people are referring to an extra hour
>> of light at the end of the clock marked day rather than
>> at the beginning and that they do actually appreciate
>> that fiddling with this marking of the passage of time
>> does not actually create or destroy day light. :-)
>
> Do I have to ***** it out..?! They are complaining that their kids are
> coming home from school in the dark. So instead of fiddling with
> countless clocks, change school/office hours from 9-5 to 8-4 or
> whatever they are. Get up earlier and go to bed earlier. Simple.
>
>>> That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there, but
>>> it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed. Get up
>>> earlier and go to bed earlier; start school/work at 8
>>> instead of 9 or whatever it is. Problem solved.
>>
>> In the morning few of us can make good use of it so it is
>> wasted.
>
> If working hours were changed instead of clocks it wouldn't be wasted,
> would it..?


Easier for the clock to be changed than getting all businesses and
schools to change hours.


>
>>> Think about it; what did people do before clocks were
>>> invented..? They got up when the sun rose and went to
>>> bed when it set.
>>
>> I think you are confusing people having clocks with them
>> having access to artificial light.
>
> Not at all, read what I said again.
>
> Ivor

"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded the
> school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to switch
> hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times, the only way
> is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.

What? If we switched to CET then kids will go to school in the dark. It'll still be
dark at 8.30am in virtually the whole country in December. At the moment it is
daylight in most parts of the country when kids go to and leave school.

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