Whoops.. Don't forget to put the clocks back

"Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Anyway, shouldn't your suggestion be the other way
> > around.... ie we keep GMT all year long (ie no switch to
> > BST in March), and then just tell people to go to
> > school/work 1 hour later April to October.

I think you meant earlier.

> Actually that's exactly what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear.
>
> It can work, Arizona in the US for example don't observe daylight savings
> time. Although it can prove a little troublesome if you live on one side
> of the state line where they don't change the clocks but work on the other
> side where they do ;-)

That's partly because it's quite far south, daylight saving is unnecessary for places
closer to the equator. Similarly in Australia the nothern states don't have daylight
saving, the southern states do.

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> some organisations (inc RoSPA), want us to put the clocks back
> one hour forward of GMT in winter and two hours forward of GMT
> in summer. We'll then come into line with Europe.

"Some organisations" need to **** right off then.


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Lordy.UK

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:29:34 +0100, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"andrew" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> the arguments for keeping present system are to the benefit of orkney
>> farmers
>> not us in the south of gods country
>
>
>ROFL you illiterate twat, what difference will it make to farmers in Orkney?
>You do realise that changing the clocks won't make any difference to the
>amount of sunlight don't you?

I've got a better idea. Every day you put the clocks back in the
morning and then you put them forward in the afternoon. Either that,
or add an hour of daylight at both ends of the day, take away the
number you first thought of and everyone's problems are solved.

What about giant mirrors all along the Pennines and into the Grampians
with teams of slaves to rotate them, or even a 600 mile long silver
zeppelin in the sky, constantly moving up and down the country?

Or what about giant torches lit by methane from newsgroups. Now
there's a thought.

Travec.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:42:45 GMT, in uk.telecom.broadband , "Bohica"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> Don't forget to put the clocks back before you go to bed on Saturday
>> night!
>
>I heard on the radio this morning, that some organisations (inc RoSPA), want
>us to put the clocks back one hour forward of GMT in winter and two hours
>forward of GMT in summer. We'll then come into line with Europe. RoSPA
>reckons that it'll save 1,000s of lives and after an experiement in the late
>60's they reckon they proved the point. Anybody remember when this
>experiment happened?

When they did the experiment, most schoolchildren walked or cycled to
school, and car usage was drastically lower. The results would be
totally invalid today as most people drive, even to get kids to
school. So stats based on the number of pedestrians injured would be
meaningless.

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Mark McIntyre

Bohica wrote:
> > Don't forget to put the clocks back before you go to bed on Saturday
> > night!



> I hate getting up and going out to work in the dark, and if the clocks stay
> put one hour ahead of GMT for winter, that means it won't be daylight until
> about 9am. Won't it then be the case that all that will happen is we'll end
> up having more people killed in the dark mornings, rather than the dark
> nights?

Quite right. It's much better if they are killed on a dark night. Dark
mornings are just not the same.

In article <[email protected]>, Travec The
Dacian <[email protected]> writes
>Or what about giant torches lit by methane from newsgroups. Now there's
>a thought.

It'd be cheaper to use parliamentary gas, more of it.

Mike

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Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange

Ivor Jones said:
>
>
> "Bert" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> > Surely you realise people are referring to an extra hour
> > of light at the end of the clock marked day rather than
> > at the beginning and that they do actually appreciate
> > that fiddling with this marking of the passage of time
> > does not actually create or destroy day light. :-)
>
> Do I have to ***** it out..?!

Only for yourself to giggle at later.

> They are complaining that their kids are
> coming home from school in the dark.

"They" do, do "they"?

> So instead of fiddling with countless
> clocks, change school/office hours from 9-5 to 8-4 or whatever they are.
> Get up earlier and go to bed earlier. Simple.

Simple if you have super-human abilities to change school and business
hours but otherwise we will just have to stick with the achievable,
which is to alter the clocks.

> > > That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there, but
> > > it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed. Get up
> > > earlier and go to bed earlier; start school/work at 8
> > > instead of 9 or whatever it is. Problem solved.
> >
> > In the morning few of us can make good use of it so it is
> > wasted.
>
> If working hours were changed instead of clocks it wouldn't be wasted,
> would it..?

Ah, so you *do* believe in super-human abilities.


> > > Think about it; what did people do before clocks were
> > > invented..? They got up when the sun rose and went to
> > > bed when it set.
> >
> > I think you are confusing people having clocks with them
> > having access to artificial light.
>
> Not at all, read what I said again.

You mean after I get off the floor laughing? Not sure if my heart can
take it!

Ivor Jones said:
>
>
> "Bert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
> [snip]
>
> > It's just that many of us would like it to get dark at
> > 4:30pm instead of 3:30pm on the shorter days and at
> > 6:00pm instead of 5:00pm on the run up and run down as
> > this would at least give the illusion of more day light.
>
> So get up earlier instead of sleeping the daylight away..!

When I get up at the moment it is dark let alone in a week's time so
your cunning plan is not quite as cunning as it would first seem.

> > In the morning, dark is dark is dark is dark and it
> > matters not one jot as most kids get driven to school
> > these days and few of us have cows we have to get up and
> > milk.
>
> Like I said, get up earlier and start work/school at 8 instead of 9. Then
> when you finish it will still be light.

I already start before 8:00am and it is still dark when I leave for
work.

> What do you think people did before clocks..?!
>
> > And an extra hour of light in the evening in the summer
> > would be pretty cool too!
>
> So don't sleep it away in the morning..!

You must get up really late if you think it is already daylight at
getting up time! Lazy git.

Andy Pandy said:
>
> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded the
> > school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to switch
> > hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times, the only way
> > is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
>
> What? If we switched to CET then kids will go to school in the dark. It'll still be
> dark at 8.30am in virtually the whole country in December. At the moment it is
> daylight in most parts of the country when kids go to and leave school.

This argument about kids going to school in the dark is so out of date I
am amazed that some people still feel the need to drag it up to defend a
system that is pretty crap for almost everyone in modern times and
actually affects some people's health.

If your children really walk to school alone, along unlit roads in the
pitch dark, then buy them a reflective jacket, some always-on lights and
a torch.

"Bert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones said:
> >
> >
> > "Bert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > > Surely you realise people are referring to an extra
> > > hour of light at the end of the clock marked day
> > > rather than at the beginning and that they do
> > > actually appreciate that fiddling with this marking
> > > of the passage of time does not actually create or
> > > destroy day light. :-)
> >
> > Do I have to ***** it out..?!
>
> Only for yourself to giggle at later.

Or you, but it still holds true.

> > They are complaining that their kids are
> > coming home from school in the dark.
>
> "They" do, do "they"?

Apparently so, or changing clocks wouldn't be "necessary" would it..?!

> > So instead of fiddling with countless
> > clocks, change school/office hours from 9-5 to 8-4 or
> > whatever they are. Get up earlier and go to bed
> > earlier. Simple.
>
> Simple if you have super-human abilities to change school
> and business hours but otherwise we will just have to
> stick with the achievable, which is to alter the clocks.

It is achievable. Who tells you to change clocks..? They could equally
well tell you to change hours.

> > > > That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there,
> > > > but it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed.
> > > > Get up earlier and go to bed earlier; start
> > > > school/work at 8 instead of 9 or whatever it is.
> > > > Problem solved.
> > >
> > > In the morning few of us can make good use of it so
> > > it is wasted.
> >
> > If working hours were changed instead of clocks it
> > wouldn't be wasted, would it..?
>
> Ah, so you *do* believe in super-human abilities.

If it's superhuman to get up in the morning. Well perhaps it is for some
people.

> > > > Think about it; what did people do before clocks
> > > > were invented..? They got up when the sun rose and
> > > > went to bed when it set.
> > >
> > > I think you are confusing people having clocks with
> > > them having access to artificial light.
> >
> > Not at all, read what I said again.
>
> You mean after I get off the floor laughing? Not sure if
> my heart can take it!

That's your problem, surely..?

Ivor

Andy Pandy said:
>
> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > >> All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded
> > >> the school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to
> > >> switch hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times,
> > >> the only way is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
> > >
> > > What? If we switched to CET then kids will go to school in the dark.
> > > It'll still be dark at 8.30am in virtually the whole country in
> > > December. At the moment it is daylight in most parts of the country
> > > when kids go to and leave school.
> >
> >
> > Kids normally go to school pretty quickly no messing around in the
> > morning, when they come home from school they dawdle.
>
> So what's your point? I'd rather my kids went both ways in daylight, as they do now,
> whether they dawdle or not.
>
> They leave at 8.30am, they are back at 3.50pm. It's daylight throught the year in
> most parts of the country between those times. It wouldn't be if we switched to CET.

I am sure you would prefer it to be always daylight, wouldn't we all,
but it seems more accidents happen at night than in the morning and the
main reason for the current clock changing regime is the objection from
the Scots when attempts are make to update it, not because it "safe" for
children.

And you live in a funny part of the UK if it is daylight, all year
round, at 3:50pm as I live a mile from the sea on the south coast and it
is dark by 3:30pm here on the shorter days!

Pun Krocker wrote:
> On 28/10/2006 at 17:55:17 Niel Humphreys wrote :
>> They look like a hoard of council workers now, lol.
>
> ROTFLMAO, so do they stand about doing **** all for 8 hours?


Envy is an ugly thing.

"Bert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Andy Pandy said:
> >
> > "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > >> All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded
> > > >> the school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to
> > > >> switch hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times,
> > > >> the only way is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
> > > >
> > > > What? If we switched to CET then kids will go to school in the dark.
> > > > It'll still be dark at 8.30am in virtually the whole country in
> > > > December. At the moment it is daylight in most parts of the country
> > > > when kids go to and leave school.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kids normally go to school pretty quickly no messing around in the
> > > morning, when they come home from school they dawdle.
> >
> > So what's your point? I'd rather my kids went both ways in daylight, as they do
now,
> > whether they dawdle or not.
> >
> > They leave at 8.30am, they are back at 3.50pm. It's daylight throught the year in
> > most parts of the country between those times. It wouldn't be if we switched to
CET.
>
> I am sure you would prefer it to be always daylight, wouldn't we all,

Er, no actually.

> but it seems more accidents happen at night than in the morning and the
> main reason for the current clock changing regime is the objection from
> the Scots when attempts are make to update it, not because it "safe" for
> children.

The reason for the "current clock changing regime" is to get more evening daylight in
the summer, it's got bugger all to do with winter, or the Scots. Why do you think
it's called "daylight saving" time?

> And you live in a funny part of the UK if it is daylight, all year
> round, at 3:50pm as I live a mile from the sea on the south coast and it
> is dark by 3:30pm here on the shorter days!

Complete bull**** - nowhere on the south coast of England does the sun ever set
before 3.30pm. In any case it would have to set by about 3pm for it to be dark at
3.30pm, so you're way out. Check your clocks this winter!

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Andy

"Bert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Andy Pandy said:
> >
> > "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded the
> > > school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to switch
> > > hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times, the only way
> > > is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
> >
> > What? If we switched to CET then kids will go to school in the dark. It'll still
be
> > dark at 8.30am in virtually the whole country in December. At the moment it is
> > daylight in most parts of the country when kids go to and leave school.
>
> This argument about kids going to school in the dark is so out of date I
> am amazed that some people still feel the need to drag it up to defend a
> system that is pretty crap for almost everyone in modern times and
> actually affects some people's health.

What "system" are you on about, FFS? The clock changing is to do with summer, not
winter. CET is not our natural timezone, GMT is.

--
Andy

Mark McIntyre wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:42:45 GMT, in uk.telecom.broadband , "Bohica"
> <[email protected]> wrote:

> When they did the experiment, most schoolchildren walked or cycled to
> school, and car usage was drastically lower. The results would be
> totally invalid today as most people drive, even to get kids to
> school. So stats based on the number of pedestrians injured would be
> meaningless.

Injuries? Not if I had my way with 4 be 4 users.

You lot who drive your kids to school should be rounded up & shot.

Big girls bloused nancy boys are the offspring you lot are producing.