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  1. #1
    T i m
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    Hi All,

    We have all been on basic T-Mob PAYG for a few years since we dropped
    the orig 121 free evenings / weekend deal (and have been saving a
    fortune). I think I'm on an older tariff (35p for the first 3 mins or
    summat).

    The Missus makes a 20 quid top-up last a year, mine lasts 2-3 months
    but the Daughter now 16 is starting to break the 20 quid a month
    barrier (in fact the last 20 quid only lasted a week). ;-(

    Now I believe a having a new boyfriend (her not me) accounts for much
    of this and mostly via texts.

    She is happy with my old (net unlocked) Nokia camera / mp3 / phone
    (and I'm happy with my 3510i <g>) so we just might need to get on some
    monthly tariff that may not even provide a phone but gives a few calls
    but loads of texts (and ideally can carry unused allowances over when
    not all used up etc).

    I think she would like to keep her old number but that wouldn't be a
    deal breaker if too complicated.

    Whatabout a Text bolt-on?

    I've googled about but it's all too confusing for an old man like me
    ;-(

    Anyone gone this way recently and / or can offer any advice please ..?

    All the best ..

    T i m





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  2. #2
    David Kennedy
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    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    On 17/1/07 9:59 pm, T i m wrote:
    > Hi All,
    >
    > We have all been on basic T-Mob PAYG for a few years since we dropped
    > the orig 121 free evenings / weekend deal (and have been saving a
    > fortune). I think I'm on an older tariff (35p for the first 3 mins or
    > summat).
    >
    > The Missus makes a 20 quid top-up last a year, mine lasts 2-3 months
    > but the Daughter now 16 is starting to break the 20 quid a month
    > barrier (in fact the last 20 quid only lasted a week). ;-(
    >
    > Now I believe a having a new boyfriend (her not me) accounts for much
    > of this and mostly via texts.
    >
    > She is happy with my old (net unlocked) Nokia camera / mp3 / phone
    > (and I'm happy with my 3510i <g>) so we just might need to get on some
    > monthly tariff that may not even provide a phone but gives a few calls
    > but loads of texts (and ideally can carry unused allowances over when
    > not all used up etc).
    >
    > I think she would like to keep her old number but that wouldn't be a
    > deal breaker if too complicated.
    >
    > Whatabout a Text bolt-on?
    >
    > I've googled about but it's all too confusing for an old man like me
    > ;-(
    >
    > Anyone gone this way recently and / or can offer any advice please ..?


    Just changed my son over to the T-Mobile Flex 20 package [reduced to 15
    quid if you sign up before Jan 31st] he got a the phone of his choice
    and gets 34 quid a month of credit on the account. So far it's working well.


    --
    David Kennedy

    http://www.anindianinexile.com



  3. #3
    T i m
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:16:16 +0000, David Kennedy
    <davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
    wrote:


    >Just changed my son over to the T-Mobile Flex 20 package [reduced to 15
    >quid if you sign up before Jan 31st] he got a the phone of his choice
    >and gets 34 quid a month of credit on the account. So far it's working well.


    Hi David and thanks for that.

    I spoke to her about the idea this morning and she asked if that also
    gives you free texts from their website 'like Orange do'?

    I guess if we stay with T-Mob she can keep her old number?

    All the best ..

    T i m








  4. #4
    David Kennedy
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    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    On 18/1/07 9:22 am, T i m wrote:
    > On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:16:16 +0000, David Kennedy
    > <davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Just changed my son over to the T-Mobile Flex 20 package [reduced to 15
    >> quid if you sign up before Jan 31st] he got a the phone of his choice
    >> and gets 34 quid a month of credit on the account. So far it's working well.

    >
    > Hi David and thanks for that.
    >
    > I spoke to her about the idea this morning and she asked if that also
    > gives you free texts from their website 'like Orange do'?
    >


    Dunno. Check the Flex deal on their web site. AFAIK, you sign up for a
    monthly amount i.e flex 20 or flex 25 etc. and they then credit your
    account with so much calling credit per month. Everything is then billed
    against that credit.

    > I guess if we stay with T-Mob she can keep her old number?


    You can keep the existing number whatever network you go with.



    --
    David Kennedy

    http://www.anindianinexile.com



  5. #5
    T i m
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:00:06 +0000, David Kennedy
    <davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
    wrote:

    >On 18/1/07 9:22 am, T i m wrote:
    >> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:16:16 +0000, David Kennedy
    >> <davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> Just changed my son over to the T-Mobile Flex 20 package [reduced to 15
    >>> quid if you sign up before Jan 31st] he got a the phone of his choice
    >>> and gets 34 quid a month of credit on the account. So far it's working well.

    >>
    >> Hi David and thanks for that.
    >>
    >> I spoke to her about the idea this morning and she asked if that also
    >> gives you free texts from their website 'like Orange do'?
    >>

    >
    >Dunno. Check the Flex deal on their web site.


    I did but didn't spot specific mention of this?

    > AFAIK, you sign up for a
    >monthly amount i.e flex 20 or flex 25 etc. and they then credit your
    >account with so much calling credit per month. Everything is then billed
    >against that credit.


    And do you know if any unused credit can be carried over?
    >
    >> I guess if we stay with T-Mob she can keep her old number?

    >
    >You can keep the existing number whatever network you go with.


    Ok, but I thought she might be able to 'upgrade' her existing PAYG
    deal to (say) Flex as opposed to starting afresh with a different Co
    and having to get the number released etc?

    I'll also get her to ask her mates what they have .. might be
    something 'different' out there ..

    All the best ..

    T i m






  6. #6
    David Kennedy
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    On 18/1/07 2:24 pm, T i m wrote:
    > On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:00:06 +0000, David Kennedy
    > <davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> On 18/1/07 9:22 am, T i m wrote:
    >>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:16:16 +0000, David Kennedy
    >>> <davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Just changed my son over to the T-Mobile Flex 20 package [reduced to 15
    >>>> quid if you sign up before Jan 31st] he got a the phone of his choice
    >>>> and gets 34 quid a month of credit on the account. So far it's working well.
    >>> Hi David and thanks for that.
    >>>
    >>> I spoke to her about the idea this morning and she asked if that also
    >>> gives you free texts from their website 'like Orange do'?
    >>>

    >> Dunno. Check the Flex deal on their web site.

    >
    > I did but didn't spot specific mention of this?


    I suspect that all calls or texts come out of the monthly allowance
    which is whatever you choose.

    >
    >> AFAIK, you sign up for a
    >> monthly amount i.e flex 20 or flex 25 etc. and they then credit your
    >> account with so much calling credit per month. Everything is then billed
    >> against that credit.

    >
    > And do you know if any unused credit can be carried over?


    They can't.

    >>> I guess if we stay with T-Mob she can keep her old number?

    >> You can keep the existing number whatever network you go with.

    >
    > Ok, but I thought she might be able to 'upgrade' her existing PAYG
    > deal to (say) Flex as opposed to starting afresh with a different Co
    > and having to get the number released etc?
    >


    She can certainly keep her number whatever she decided. If you stay with
    T-Mobile then it just makes life a little easier. If you do it on-line
    and anyone else you know is with T-Mobile then tell them you were
    recommended and they'll credit both of the accounts with 20 quid. I
    think this only works for new customers though...

    > I'll also get her to ask her mates what they have .. might be
    > something 'different' out there ..


    There always is but I couldn't find anything cheaper - especially with
    the discount they're offering until the end of the month.


    --
    David Kennedy

    http://www.anindianinexile.com



  7. #7
    T i m
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:17:54 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:


    >> I did but didn't spot specific mention of this?


    Hi again David,

    This deal seems interesting ..

    http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/Dispatcher?menuid=plans_relax

    ... although the use of the free 500 texts / month are quite restricted
    (staight texts, no group texts but not a problem for our daughter) I'm
    always wary of 'free' anything?
    >
    >
    >> I'll also get her to ask her mates what they have .. might be
    >> something 'different' out there ..

    >
    >There always is but I couldn't find anything cheaper - especially with
    >the discount they're offering until the end of the month.


    Hmm, we may well follow you then David. It seems many of the mates she
    spoke to about their mobile plans didn't really have a clue what their
    deal is ..

    All the best ..

    T i m






  8. #8
    James Lewis
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    T-mobile also offer bundles on their pay as you tarrifs. Call 150 from the
    handset and press 2, then 3. or 789 I think?

    current text bundles available are:

    200 messages for £12 (6p each)
    500 messages for £25 (5p each)
    1000 messages for £30 (3p each)

    the texts you buy have to be used within 90 days

    Also, the "text appeal" price plan makes texts 3p each, even though calls
    are slightly more but if she's going to send mostly texts might be worth
    changing.





  9. #9
    Loz
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    James Lewis wrote:
    > T-mobile also offer bundles on their pay as you tarrifs. Call 150 from the
    > handset and press 2, then 3. or 789 I think?
    >
    > current text bundles available are:
    >
    > 200 messages for £12 (6p each)
    > 500 messages for £25 (5p each)
    > 1000 messages for £30 (3p each)
    >
    > the texts you buy have to be used within 90 days
    >
    > Also, the "text appeal" price plan makes texts 3p each, even though calls
    > are slightly more but if she's going to send mostly texts might be worth
    > changing.
    >
    >


    You also get free texts for topping up a certain amount a month I think?



  10. #10
    James Lewis
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..


    > You also get free texts for topping up a certain amount a month I think?


    If you have purchaced a phone from the website, or ordered a SIM from the
    website, or one of the free SIMs; when you top up £10 you get unlimited
    evening and weekend texts for a month. Not a bad deal.





  11. #11
    Theo Markettos
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    James Lewis <no_spam_£[email protected]> wrote:
    > Also, the "text appeal" price plan makes texts 3p each, even though calls
    > are slightly more but if she's going to send mostly texts might be worth
    > changing.


    It pays to do the calculations on this. Of the two packages the pricing is
    this:

    Everyone:
    Text 10p
    Calls 12p

    Text appeal:
    Text 3p
    Calls T-mob 20p
    Calls x-net 40p
    Calls geo landline 20p

    Let's say she sends 200 texts/month (20 quid at 10p each). At 3p/text
    she'll save 14 pounds. But those 14 pounds will be eaten up if she calls
    x-net by more than 50 minutes in that month, or 175 minutes to a
    landline/t-mob, compared to the Everyone tariff.

    If she went for Everyone and bought a 200 text bundle for 12 pounds, that'd
    reduce the texting cost to 12 pounds, and calls would still be 12p x-net.
    She'd only have to call for more than 22 minutes x-net, or 75 mins to
    landline/t-mob for this to be cheaper than the above. Particularly if she
    spent more than a tenner a month on calls, which would achieve the 3000 free
    'unlimited' offpeak texts per month.

    So it'd (probably) be worth her while switching to at least Everyone to get
    the cheaper calls (assuming she's currently on a 10p/text rate) but not
    necessarily to the Text Appeal rate. Also to note is that the Everyone/Text
    Appeal rates are quite steep for ringing 0800, 0845 etc (40p/min) so if she
    rings these much it might be worth hanging onto the old tariff if it's any
    better and using bundles alone.

    Just for comparison, Tesco Value is 5p/text, 15p/min x-net. So those 200
    texts would be 10 pounds. But she'd only have to call 67 mins to anywhere
    for it to be worth using Everyone+200 text bundle. Tesco is, however,
    significantly cheaper (15p/min) for calling 0845 etc.

    Theo



  12. #12
    T i m
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    On 22 Jan 2007 15:17:23 +0000 (GMT), Theo Markettos
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >James Lewis <no_spam_£[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Also, the "text appeal" price plan makes texts 3p each, even though calls
    >> are slightly more but if she's going to send mostly texts might be worth
    >> changing.

    >
    >It pays to do the calculations on this. Of the two packages the pricing is
    >this:
    >
    >Everyone:
    >Text 10p
    >Calls 12p
    >
    >Text appeal:
    >Text 3p
    >Calls T-mob 20p
    >Calls x-net 40p
    >Calls geo landline 20p
    >
    >Let's say she sends 200 texts/month (20 quid at 10p each). At 3p/text
    >she'll save 14 pounds. But those 14 pounds will be eaten up if she calls
    >x-net by more than 50 minutes in that month, or 175 minutes to a
    >landline/t-mob, compared to the Everyone tariff.
    >
    >If she went for Everyone and bought a 200 text bundle for 12 pounds, that'd
    >reduce the texting cost to 12 pounds, and calls would still be 12p x-net.
    >She'd only have to call for more than 22 minutes x-net, or 75 mins to
    >landline/t-mob for this to be cheaper than the above. Particularly if she
    >spent more than a tenner a month on calls, which would achieve the 3000 free
    >'unlimited' offpeak texts per month.
    >
    >So it'd (probably) be worth her while switching to at least Everyone to get
    >the cheaper calls (assuming she's currently on a 10p/text rate) but not
    >necessarily to the Text Appeal rate. Also to note is that the Everyone/Text
    >Appeal rates are quite steep for ringing 0800, 0845 etc (40p/min) so if she
    >rings these much it might be worth hanging onto the old tariff if it's any
    >better and using bundles alone.
    >
    >Just for comparison, Tesco Value is 5p/text, 15p/min x-net. So those 200
    >texts would be 10 pounds. But she'd only have to call 67 mins to anywhere
    >for it to be worth using Everyone+200 text bundle. Tesco is, however,
    >significantly cheaper (15p/min) for calling 0845 etc.
    >
    >Theo


    Wow, thanks to Theo and everyone who has replied so far and I think
    Theo has reminded me why I generally say out of this mobile phone
    price plan quagmire!

    A friends says "if you can measure it you can manage it" so maybe
    that's what we need to do with her phone use to be able to make an
    intelegent descion?

    I'm pretty sure she only calls std landlines and mobiles ("Dad, can
    you come and pick me up" sorta thing) and I'm not aware of her
    'chatting' on the mobile. The thing is I think texts would be sent
    24/7 so I'm not sure how much she would get out of off-peak texts?

    Oh well, I'll keep looking and thanks again ..

    T i m










  13. #13
    David Kennedy
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    On 23/1/07 7:40 am, T i m wrote:
    > Wow, thanks to Theo and everyone who has replied so far and I think
    > Theo has reminded me why I generally say out of this mobile phone
    > price plan quagmire!


    >
    > I'm pretty sure she only calls std landlines and mobiles ("Dad, can
    > you come and pick me up" sorta thing) and I'm not aware of her
    > 'chatting' on the mobile. The thing is I think texts would be sent
    > 24/7 so I'm not sure how much she would get out of off-peak texts?
    >
    > Oh well, I'll keep looking and thanks again ..


    That's why I gave up the struggle and just went for their flex tariff.
    It's not much better than payg but you do get 34 quid credit for a 15
    quid payment and a free phone so the two factors swung it for me. Plus,
    in an emergency there's no chance of running out of credit.


    --
    David Kennedy

    http://www.anindianinexile.com



  14. #14
    T i m
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:10:54 +0000, David Kennedy
    <davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
    wrote:

    >On 23/1/07 7:40 am, T i m wrote:
    >> Wow, thanks to Theo and everyone who has replied so far and I think
    >> Theo has reminded me why I generally say out of this mobile phone
    >> price plan quagmire!

    >
    >>
    >> I'm pretty sure she only calls std landlines and mobiles ("Dad, can
    >> you come and pick me up" sorta thing) and I'm not aware of her
    >> 'chatting' on the mobile. The thing is I think texts would be sent
    >> 24/7 so I'm not sure how much she would get out of off-peak texts?
    >>
    >> Oh well, I'll keep looking and thanks again ..

    >
    >That's why I gave up the struggle and just went for their flex tariff.


    Hmmm ..

    >It's not much better than payg but you do get 34 quid credit for a 15
    >quid payment and a free phone so the two factors swung it for me.


    Oh yeah, I forgot about the free phone. ;-) Non having a phone on
    contract since the Motorola flip on One2One that is!

    > Plus,
    >in an emergency there's no chance of running out of credit.


    Another good point David.

    I'll try to get her to have another look with me tonight and go from
    there (she can always keep her PAYG phone going and just slide over to
    the new phone / number as needed).

    I guess you also *have* to have these on DD (what if the phone get's
    nicked etc)? U-Fix Text £20 ?

    So, Relax 20, £20/m 100 mins, 25 (+500 free) = 525 texts (calls 20p /
    min flat)

    Flex 25, £20 (£5 0ff) and say 100 mins leaving 400 texts. (calls, 12 /
    10 / 35p / min)

    Then we have the choice of phone .. <sigh> ..

    All the best ..

    T i m









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    Theo Markettos
    Guest

    Re: TMob PAYG now where please ..

    T i m <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Wow, thanks to Theo and everyone who has replied so far and I think
    > Theo has reminded me why I generally say out of this mobile phone
    > price plan quagmire!


    :-)

    > A friends says "if you can measure it you can manage it" so maybe
    > that's what we need to do with her phone use to be able to make an
    > intelegent descion?


    Probably it'd help. Though it's complicated because behaviour isn't fixed -
    she might have an urgent need to do something, or have flexibility in her
    usage (wait until off-peak, say) which makes doing this sort of calculation
    hard. And the difference between the plans is usually less than this sort
    of variation. However if you're on a really terrible tariff (say 35p/min,
    10p/text, silly money to call 0845, no bonuses) then it's worth switching to
    a new one: just the perfect optimisation could be tricky.

    10-15 pounds/month seems to be a sweet spot, above which things get much
    easier (lower rates, free text bundles, etc) on PAYG. It's just that if you
    don't know your usage is going to always be above this then it's harder to
    call (and if it is above there are low-end contracts to also consider).

    > I'm pretty sure she only calls std landlines and mobiles ("Dad, can
    > you come and pick me up" sorta thing) and I'm not aware of her
    > 'chatting' on the mobile. The thing is I think texts would be sent
    > 24/7 so I'm not sure how much she would get out of off-peak texts?


    Personally I like Tesco as you don't have to do these sort of mind-bending
    calculations every time you use the phone - it's the same price, always, to
    anywhere. It's not completely optimal, but a few mins to National Rail
    Enquiries or something on T-Mob would wipe out any savings I might have made
    during the rest of the month. I'd rather not have that 'this call is going
    to cost a fortune, should I make it?' thought.

    Depends what she uses it for, but I suspect a lot of texts are sent during
    the day while people are at school/work/etc and want to communicate with
    friends/family, and calls are used more in the evening. In which case
    off-peak texts probably aren't so useful, particularly if 'off-peak' is
    defined as after 7.30 or 8 in the evening.

    Theo



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