iPhone on O2?

According to the BBC O2 will be the first network to do the iphone in
the UK.
I just switched to tmobile about a month ago! I wonder how long the
deal will be for.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6272226.stm

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Stephen2 wrote:
> According to the BBC O2 will be the first network to do the iphone in
> the UK.
> I just switched to tmobile about a month ago! I wonder how long the
> deal will be for.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6272226.stm
>
>
If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may just
move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I currently
use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one piece of
hardware - a big selling point for some people.

Clive

Clive wrote:
> Stephen2 wrote:
>> According to the BBC O2 will be the first network to do the iphone in
>> the UK.
>> I just switched to tmobile about a month ago! I wonder how long the
>> deal will be for.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6272226.stm
>>
>>
> If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may just
> move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I currently
> use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one piece of
> hardware - a big selling point for some people.
>
> Clive

The non replaceable battery is a worry for me though. I've had to get my
iPod mini (2g) one replaced twice now. The advertised charge cycles for
the iPhone amount to one charge a day for a year, wasn't it? I might
misremember that. Still, every mobile I've owned has had at least one
new battery fitted.

I'd still like one...

--
me

"Gary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Clive wrote:
>> Stephen2 wrote:
>>> According to the BBC O2 will be the first network to do the iphone in
>>> the UK.
>>> I just switched to tmobile about a month ago! I wonder how long the
>>> deal will be for.
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6272226.stm
>>>
>>>
>> If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may just
>> move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I currently
>> use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one piece of
>> hardware - a big selling point for some people.
>>
>> Clive
>
> The non replaceable battery is a worry for me though. I've had to get my
> iPod mini (2g) one replaced twice now. The advertised charge cycles for
> the iPhone amount to one charge a day for a year, wasn't it? I might
> misremember that. Still, every mobile I've owned has had at least one new
> battery fitted.
>
> I'd still like one...
>
> --
> me

i've also heard they will be exclusive to carphone warehouse, meaning
they'll only be available from the apple shop or cpwstores

On 5/7/07 15:21, ALi wrote:
>
> "Gary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Clive wrote:
>>> Stephen2 wrote:
>>>> According to the BBC O2 will be the first network to do the iphone in
>>>> the UK.
>>>> I just switched to tmobile about a month ago! I wonder how long the
>>>> deal will be for.
>>>>
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6272226.stm
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may
>>> just move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I
>>> currently use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one
>>> piece of hardware - a big selling point for some people.
>>>
>>> Clive
>>
>> The non replaceable battery is a worry for me though. I've had to get
>> my iPod mini (2g) one replaced twice now. The advertised charge cycles
>> for the iPhone amount to one charge a day for a year, wasn't it? I
>> might misremember that. Still, every mobile I've owned has had at
>> least one new battery fitted.
>>
>> I'd still like one...
>>
>> --
>> me
>
> i've also heard they will be exclusive to carphone warehouse, meaning
> they'll only be available from the apple shop or cpwstores

All bollocks. The Apple online store yes, their own retail shops yes,
and also from whichever network they go with - O2 deny they've signed
anything. If they sign with Vodafone for example then it would be
complete madness for them to agree a deal where they can't sell the
product in their own shops...

Where do these dull rumours start ? For the CarPhoneWhoreHouse to get an
exclusive they'd have to do a deal with Apple and then everyone would
end up with Fresh, that _would_ be really good.

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

"David Kennedy"
<davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On 5/7/07 15:21, ALi wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Clive wrote:
>>>> Stephen2 wrote:
>>>>> According to the BBC O2 will be the first network to do the iphone in
>>>>> the UK.
>>>>> I just switched to tmobile about a month ago! I wonder how long the
>>>>> deal will be for.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6272226.stm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may just
>>>> move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I currently
>>>> use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one piece of
>>>> hardware - a big selling point for some people.
>>>>
>>>> Clive
>>>
>>> The non replaceable battery is a worry for me though. I've had to get my
>>> iPod mini (2g) one replaced twice now. The advertised charge cycles for
>>> the iPhone amount to one charge a day for a year, wasn't it? I might
>>> misremember that. Still, every mobile I've owned has had at least one
>>> new battery fitted.
>>>
>>> I'd still like one...
>>>
>>> --
>>> me
>>
>> i've also heard they will be exclusive to carphone warehouse, meaning
>> they'll only be available from the apple shop or cpwstores
>
> All bollocks. The Apple online store yes, their own retail shops yes, and
> also from whichever network they go with - O2 deny they've signed
> anything. If they sign with Vodafone for example then it would be complete
> madness for them to agree a deal where they can't sell the product in
> their own shops...
>
> Where do these dull rumours start ? For the CarPhoneWhoreHouse to get an
> exclusive they'd have to do a deal with Apple and then everyone would end
> up with Fresh, that _would_ be really good.
>
> --
> David Kennedy
>
> http://www.anindianinexile.com

no new connections on fresh are taking place, from an internal email which
my friend sent states on there charles is currently trying to get an
exclusive on the handset when they first arrive in the uk. the connections
will be for o2cpw and not fresh

[email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
> If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may just
> move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I currently
> use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one piece of
> hardware - a big selling point for some people.

There are plenty of phones which can play music already. The iPhone is
not exactly unique in that respect.
--
Regards
Jon

On 5/7/07 17:26, ALi wrote:
>
> "David Kennedy"
> <davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 5/7/07 15:21, ALi wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Clive wrote:
>>>>> Stephen2 wrote:
>>>>>> According to the BBC O2 will be the first network to do the iphone in
>>>>>> the UK.
>>>>>> I just switched to tmobile about a month ago! I wonder how long the
>>>>>> deal will be for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6272226.stm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may
>>>>> just move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I
>>>>> currently use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one
>>>>> piece of hardware - a big selling point for some people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clive
>>>>
>>>> The non replaceable battery is a worry for me though. I've had to
>>>> get my iPod mini (2g) one replaced twice now. The advertised charge
>>>> cycles for the iPhone amount to one charge a day for a year, wasn't
>>>> it? I might misremember that. Still, every mobile I've owned has had
>>>> at least one new battery fitted.
>>>>
>>>> I'd still like one...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> me
>>>
>>> i've also heard they will be exclusive to carphone warehouse, meaning
>>> they'll only be available from the apple shop or cpwstores
>>
>> All bollocks. The Apple online store yes, their own retail shops yes,
>> and also from whichever network they go with - O2 deny they've signed
>> anything. If they sign with Vodafone for example then it would be
>> complete madness for them to agree a deal where they can't sell the
>> product in their own shops...
>>
>> Where do these dull rumours start ? For the CarPhoneWhoreHouse to get
>> an exclusive they'd have to do a deal with Apple and then everyone
>> would end up with Fresh, that _would_ be really good.
>>
>> --
>> David Kennedy
>>
>> http://www.anindianinexile.com
>
> no new connections on fresh are taking place, from an internal email
> which my friend sent states on there charles is currently trying to get
> an exclusive on the handset when they first arrive in the uk. the
> connections will be for o2cpw and not fresh
>

As I said.

It's all bollocks.

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

Jon wrote:
> [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
>> If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may just
>> move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I currently
>> use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one piece of
>> hardware - a big selling point for some people.
>
> There are plenty of phones which can play music already. The iPhone is
> not exactly unique in that respect.

But they can't play the DRM locked music from Apple iTunes though...

So pay another £300 so your phone can play your restricted music
purchases.

D

On 6/7/07 08:23, David Hearn wrote:
> Jon wrote:
>> [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
>>> If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may
>>> just move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I
>>> currently use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one
>>> piece of hardware - a big selling point for some people.
>>
>> There are plenty of phones which can play music already. The iPhone is
>> not exactly unique in that respect.
>
> But they can't play the DRM locked music from Apple iTunes though...

So burn it to CD then rip it. Not so difficult really.

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

David Kennedy wrote:
> On 6/7/07 08:23, David Hearn wrote:
>> Jon wrote:
>>> [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
>>>> If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may
>>>> just move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I
>>>> currently use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one
>>>> piece of hardware - a big selling point for some people.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of phones which can play music already. The iPhone
>>> is not exactly unique in that respect.
>>
>> But they can't play the DRM locked music from Apple iTunes though...
>
> So burn it to CD then rip it. Not so difficult really.

So the lossy compressed audio is then decompressed to audio CD, and then
lossy compressed further to MP3.

Kinda like a photocopy of a photocopy....

In practice, you'll probably be pushed to notice the difference, but to
do this for 4-8GB of *compressed* data (the total size of the iPhone
storage) you're transferring (assuming approx 10:1 compression ratio)
40-80GB of data via 700MB CDs, thus approx 60 to 110 CDs are required to
fully fill an iPhone sized device with non-DRM audio.

D

On 6/7/07 09:19, David Hearn wrote:
> David Kennedy wrote:
>> On 6/7/07 08:23, David Hearn wrote:
>>> Jon wrote:
>>>> [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
>>>>> If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may
>>>>> just move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I
>>>>> currently use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one
>>>>> piece of hardware - a big selling point for some people.
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of phones which can play music already. The iPhone
>>>> is not exactly unique in that respect.
>>>
>>> But they can't play the DRM locked music from Apple iTunes though...
>>
>> So burn it to CD then rip it. Not so difficult really.
>
> So the lossy compressed audio is then decompressed to audio CD, and then
> lossy compressed further to MP3.
>

AAC or similar , why would anyone want to go to MP3 ???

> Kinda like a photocopy of a photocopy....

Nothing like it. This digital you know, welcome to the modern world.

>
> In practice, you'll probably be pushed to notice the difference, but to
> do this for 4-8GB of *compressed* data (the total size of the iPhone
> storage) you're transferring (assuming approx 10:1 compression ratio)
> 40-80GB of data via 700MB CDs, thus approx 60 to 110 CDs are required to
> fully fill an iPhone sized device with non-DRM audio.

In practise I wouldn't go anywhere near an MP3 file.

Use a lossless format and you'll have no problems.


--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

David Kennedy wrote:
> On 6/7/07 09:19, David Hearn wrote:
>> David Kennedy wrote:
>>> On 6/7/07 08:23, David Hearn wrote:
>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>> [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
>>>>>> If that is true a huge boost for O2. Being a avid Mac user, I may
>>>>>> just move from Vodafone to O2. OK the phone is not perfect, but I
>>>>>> currently use a phone and ipod - means I get to reduce that to one
>>>>>> piece of hardware - a big selling point for some people.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plenty of phones which can play music already. The iPhone
>>>>> is not exactly unique in that respect.
>>>>
>>>> But they can't play the DRM locked music from Apple iTunes though...
>>>
>>> So burn it to CD then rip it. Not so difficult really.
>>
>> So the lossy compressed audio is then decompressed to audio CD, and
>> then lossy compressed further to MP3.
>>
>
> AAC or similar , why would anyone want to go to MP3 ???

Because this discussion was about "There are plenty of phones which can
play music already." and generally, AAC isn't that widespread outside of
Apple. WMA is MS only (for phones generally) whereas MP3 is a more
generic format for phones across manufacturers.

But ignoring that (or even if I'm wrong). DRM AAC -> CD -> AAC is still
the same process, just different formats.

>> Kinda like a photocopy of a photocopy....
>
> Nothing like it. This digital you know, welcome to the modern world.

Using lossy compression to compress a file, then decompress it and then
compress it again with lossy compression will degrade the result. Same
thing with JPEG images. You open a JPEG file, do something to it and
then re-save it and the quality will be degraded further than it was
from the initial compression.

DRM AAC -> CD -> AAC will still have a lower quality than the original
input file.

>> In practice, you'll probably be pushed to notice the difference, but
>> to do this for 4-8GB of *compressed* data (the total size of the
>> iPhone storage) you're transferring (assuming approx 10:1 compression
>> ratio) 40-80GB of data via 700MB CDs, thus approx 60 to 110 CDs are
>> required to fully fill an iPhone sized device with non-DRM audio.
>
> In practise I wouldn't go anywhere near an MP3 file.

AAC or MP3, doesn't make a difference.

> Use a lossless format and you'll have no problems.

Quite possibly, still doesn't stop you needing to burn 60-110 CDs to
fill the same capacity of an iPhone which would take the Apple DRM'd AAC
files and play them without issue.

That, is why some people will be willing to pay a premium to combine a
phone and an iPod. They either believe:

a.) they cannot transfer their music to other devices
b.) can't be bothered to go to the hassle of transfering all their
music to another device (and then also have to manage it separate from
iTunes)
c.) don't want a different music player than their iPod

D

Phil wrote:
> David Hearn <[email protected]> writes:
>> That, is why some people will be willing to pay a premium to combine a
>> phone and an iPod. They either believe:
>>
>> a.) they cannot transfer their music to other devices
>> b.) can't be bothered to go to the hassle of transfering all their
>> music to another device (and then also have to manage it separate from
>> iTunes)
>> c.) don't want a different music player than their iPod
>>
>> D
> My Nokia N70 can play AAC files, I would imagine most Nokias can.
>
> Don't iTunes sell non-drm AACs.
>
> Phil

For a higher price. And it does nothing to your existing library of
music you've already paid for - to unlock them you need to pay the
'extra' charge for each track. If you don't already have DRM'd AAC
files, then as you say, the iPhone becomes less of an issue for playing
the tunes on other devices.

D