Getting calls to 0845 and 0800 numbers in my inclusive minutes

07-20-2007, 10:35 AM

Hi,

I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes a month for £10.
Trouble is, a lot of the calls I have to make are to businesses with 0845,
0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are not included in my free
minutes, so I finish up having to pay for them, even though I have loads of
free minutes left.
I have heard that there is somthing called 'dial-through'(??) which can help
me to makes calls such as these out of my free minutes, but I don't
understand how this works, or even if it is legal/allowed by standard T&C...

Can someone help me by explaining how I can do this (if it can be done...).

Thanks,

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07-20-2007, 10:56 AM

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM"
<chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> wrote:

>I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes a month for £10.
>Trouble is, a lot of the calls I have to make are to businesses with 0845,
>0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are not included in my free
>minutes, so I finish up having to pay for them, even though I have loads of
>free minutes left.

www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers for the people
you are calling.

07-20-2007, 11:42 AM

In message nkm1a3143jal9328of224urmqfs0qg5olh@4ax.com,
o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM"
> <chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes a month
>> for £10. Trouble is, a lot of the calls I have to make are to
>> businesses with 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are
>> not included in my free minutes, so I finish up having to pay for
>> them, even though I have loads of free minutes left.
>
> www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers for the people
> you are calling.

Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few of the numbers I need to use
don't seem to be in there. Especially the 0800 ones. It particulary pi**es
me off when I have to pay for 'Freephone' calls... especially when I still
have about 100 'Free' minutes on my account for the rest of the month...

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07-20-2007, 12:54 PM

"ChrisM" wrote in message ...
> o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM" wrote:

>>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes <...>
>>> 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are
>>> not included in my free minutes <...>

>> www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers

> Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few of the numbers I need to use
> don't seem to be in there. Especially the 0800 ones. It particulary
> pi**es me off when I have to pay for 'Freephone' calls... especially
> when I still have about 100 'Free' minutes on my account for the rest of
> the month...

I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or rather,
deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call" in your
[online] bill.

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Cheers,
Dave

07-20-2007, 06:24 PM

DaveGK formulated the question :
> "ChrisM" wrote in message ...
>> o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM" wrote:
>
>>>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes <...>
>>>> 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are
>>>> not included in my free minutes <...>
>
>>> www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers
>
>> Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few of the numbers I need to use
>> don't seem to be in there. Especially the 0800 ones. It particulary
>> pi**es me off when I have to pay for 'Freephone' calls... especially
>> when I still have about 100 'Free' minutes on my account for the rest of
>> the month...
>
> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or rather,
> deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call" in your
> [online] bill.

If not, "pre-dial" 02002220700

07-23-2007, 03:23 AM

"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in
message
news:mn.a8187d7794697a29.48968@blueyonder.invalid. ..
> DaveGK formulated the question :
> > "ChrisM" wrote in message ...
> >> o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the
tallest tower:
> >>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM"
wrote:
> >
> >>>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300
'free' minutes <...>
> >>>> 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of
numbers are
> >>>> not included in my free minutes <...>
> >
> >>> www.saynoto0870.com might have the
geographical numbers
> >
> >> Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few
of the numbers I need to use
> >> don't seem to be in there. Especially the
0800 ones. It particulary
> >> pi**es me off when I have to pay for
'Freephone' calls... especially
> >> when I still have about 100 'Free' minutes on
my account for the rest of
> >> the month...
> >
> > I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are
included in (or rather,
> > deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as
"standard call" in your
> > [online] bill.
>
> If not, "pre-dial" 02002220700
>
>

what does that number do then?

roy

07-23-2007, 04:02 AM

In message mn.a8187d7794697a29.48968@blueyonder.invalid,
Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

> DaveGK formulated the question :
>> "ChrisM" wrote in message ...
>>> o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
>>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM" wrote:
>>
>>>>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes <...>
>>>>> 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are
>>>>> not included in my free minutes <...>
>>
>>>> www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers
>>
>>> Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few of the numbers I need
>>> to use don't seem to be in there. Especially the 0800 ones. It
>>> particulary pi**es me off when I have to pay for 'Freephone'
>>> calls... especially when I still have about 100 'Free' minutes on
>>> my account for the rest of the month...
>>
>> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or
>> rather, deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call"
>> in your [online] bill.
>
> If not, "pre-dial" 02002220700

Anyone vouch for this number? No offence to 'Jono' but how do I know this
won't cost me more than dialing the 0845 number...?
How does it work anyway> Do I get a recorded message asking me to dial the
other number once I've dialled this one?

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Regards,
Chris.
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07-23-2007, 04:03 AM

In message sF6oi.819$nm3.525@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net,
DaveGK <davegk@bug.escaltd.com> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

> "ChrisM" wrote in message ...
>> o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM" wrote:
>
>>>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes <...>
>>>> 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are
>>>> not included in my free minutes <...>
>
>>> www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers
>
>> Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few of the numbers I need to
>> use don't seem to be in there. Especially the 0800 ones. It
>> particulary pi**es me off when I have to pay for 'Freephone'
>> calls... especially when I still have about 100 'Free' minutes on my
>> account for the rest of the month...
>
> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or rather,
> deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call" in your
> [online] bill.

That's interesting. Must admit that when I got the message telling me that
the call would be charged at 'normal rate' I assumed that I was going to
get billed for it. I'll have to go and check my bill...

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Regards,
Chris.
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07-23-2007, 04:34 AM

>> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or
>> rather, deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call"
>> in your [online] bill.
>
> That's interesting. Must admit that when I got the message telling me
> that the call would be charged at 'normal rate' I assumed that I was
> going to get billed for it. I'll have to go and check my bill...

Yep, you're right! Just the 0845 type numbers to sort out then...

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Regards,
Chris.
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07-23-2007, 05:26 AM

"ChrisM" wrote in message ...

>>> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or
>>> rather, deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call"
>>> in your [online] bill.
>>
>> That's interesting. Must admit that when I got the message telling me
>> that the call would be charged at 'normal rate' I assumed that I was
>> going to get billed for it. I'll have to go and check my bill...
>
> Yep, you're right! Just the 0845 type numbers to sort out then...

Glad I can help

I would also be interested in a solution to 0845 and 0870 numbers,
there must be a call-through "normal" mobile number to do this.
SayNoTo0870 is great, but not always able to provide alternative
geographic number ...

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Cheers,
Dave

07-23-2007, 11:59 AM

After serious thinking royc wrote :

>>>
>>> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or rather,
>>> deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call" in your
>>> [online] bill.
>>
>> If not, "pre-dial" 02002220700
>>
>>
>
>
> what does that number do then?
>
> roy

It asks you to dial the number you want & then connects you.

07-23-2007, 12:07 PM

ChrisM explained :

>>>
>>> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or
>>> rather, deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call"
>>> in your [online] bill.
>>
>> If not, "pre-dial" 02002220700
>
> Anyone vouch for this number? No offence to 'Jono' but how do I know this
> won't cost me more than dialing the 0845 number...?
> How does it work anyway> Do I get a recorded message asking me to dial the
> other number once I've dialled this one?

No offence taken.

If you study the number it starts 020 which is the London area STD. It
is clearly a non-standard number as there aren't any local London
numbers starting 0222xxxx.

AFAICT, I'm charged the same rate to call it as any other 020 number.

And yes, you get a recorded announcement asking you to dial your
destination number. You can only dial 0800/0808/0500 numbers using it,
though.

AFAIR, it is a number supplied by "Pre-Dial" <http://www.pre-dial.com/>
who have provided many dial-through numbers for a variety of different
circumstances.

Read the thread where I gleaned the information
<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.telecom.mobile/browse_thread/thread/3b3e3cc2d6ed73a2/4a98d0b6a0912ace?lnk=gst&q=02002220700&rnum=1&hl=e n#4a98d0b6a0912ace>
a couple of years ago.

07-24-2007, 11:57 AM

ChrisM was thinking very hard :
>> AFAIR, it is a number supplied by "Pre-Dial"
>> <http://www.pre-dial.com/> who have provided many dial-through
>> numbers for a variety of different circumstances.
>>
>> Read the thread where I gleaned the information
>> <http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.telecom.mobile/browse_thread/thread/3b3e3cc2d6ed73a2/4a98d0b6a0912ace?lnk=gst&q=02002220700&rnum=1&hl=e n#4a98d0b6a0912ace>
>> a couple of years ago.
>
> Pardon me for being cynical, and this cynicism is not directed at you (Jono)
> but what is in it for them? If I'm dialing an 020 type number, that is
> charged at the normal rate how do 'Pre-Dial' make any money, or gain any
> benefit whatsoever out of this deal?

This has been asked many times here. Not sure if there was ever an
answer, though. <shrug>

07-25-2007, 03:42 AM

In message mn.c4357d778bf31cdd.48968@blueyonder.invalid,
Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

> ChrisM was thinking very hard :
>>> AFAIR, it is a number supplied by "Pre-Dial"
>>> <http://www.pre-dial.com/> who have provided many dial-through
>>> numbers for a variety of different circumstances.
>>>
>>> Read the thread where I gleaned the information
>>> <http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.telecom.mobile/browse_thread/thread/3b3e3cc2d6ed73a2/4a98d0b6a0912ace?lnk=gst&q=02002220700&rnum=1&hl=e n#4a98d0b6a0912ace>
>>> a couple of years ago.
>>
>> Pardon me for being cynical, and this cynicism is not directed at
>> you (Jono) but what is in it for them? If I'm dialing an 020 type
>> number, that is charged at the normal rate how do 'Pre-Dial' make
>> any money, or gain any benefit whatsoever out of this deal?
>
> This has been asked many times here. Not sure if there was ever an
> answer, though. <shrug>

Fair enough... If it works, then who cares I guess.

One more question then:

Actually it's my original question really:

** Anyone know of a dial-through number I can use to get 0845 and similar
numbers out of my inclusive minutes on Virgin Mobile?? **

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Regards,
Chris.
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