PAYG phones from Argos, Currys etc whats the deal?

07-27-2007, 03:59 PM

Cant seem to find any details of the actual deal these phones come
with, so I'm guessing there isn't one.

Does this mean if I buy say an 02 Nokia PAYG from one of these shops,
I can use any of the 02 PAYG deals? or perhaps even just have the
phone unlock and go anywhere else? Is this how it works?

TIA

07-27-2007, 05:34 PM

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:59:54 +0100, Brian wrote:
> Cant seem to find any details of the actual deal these phones come with,
> so I'm guessing there isn't one.
>
> Does this mean if I buy say an 02 Nokia PAYG from one of these shops, I
> can use any of the 02 PAYG deals? or perhaps even just have the phone
> unlock and go anywhere else? Is this how it works?

Maybe. A lot of the phones sold at Argos, etc. are subsidised by the
networks as they make their money from call costs later on. However, if
the phone is never used on the intended network, the retailer doesn't get
a credit for it so they do not like you doing it.

I've heard some phones have the SIM glued in, I know that Argos have/had a
one mobile phone per customer policy.

07-28-2007, 12:33 AM

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:34:06 GMT, Haggis McMutton
<haggis@somewhere.ere> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:59:54 +0100, Brian wrote:
>> Cant seem to find any details of the actual deal these phones come with,
>> so I'm guessing there isn't one.
>>
>> Does this mean if I buy say an 02 Nokia PAYG from one of these shops, I
>> can use any of the 02 PAYG deals? or perhaps even just have the phone
>> unlock and go anywhere else? Is this how it works?
>
>Maybe. A lot of the phones sold at Argos, etc. are subsidised by the
>networks as they make their money from call costs later on. However, if
>the phone is never used on the intended network, the retailer doesn't get
>a credit for it so they do not like you doing it.

I bet.

>I've heard some phones have the SIM glued in,

Surely that's illegal with disclosure?

07-28-2007, 01:20 AM

"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Cant seem to find any details of the actual deal these phones come
> with, so I'm guessing there isn't one.
>
> Does this mean if I buy say an 02 Nokia PAYG from one of these shops,
> I can use any of the 02 PAYG deals? or perhaps even just have the
> phone unlock and go anywhere else? Is this how it works?

You're best of going to carphone warehouse, that way, you most properly get
a phone which is Unlocked and Unbranded.

07-28-2007, 02:30 AM

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:59:54 +0100, Brian wrote:

> Cant seem to find any details of the actual deal these phones come
> with, so I'm guessing there isn't one.
>
> Does this mean if I buy say an 02 Nokia PAYG from one of these shops,
> I can use any of the 02 PAYG deals?

Yes, they can't stop you using another SIM of the same operator, and even
using the SIM that comes with the phone you will be able to pich which O2
PAYG deals/tarifs

or perhaps even just have the
> phone unlock and go anywhere else? Is this how it works?
>
> TIA

Yes if it is an unlockable phone.

There was tails of 3 gluing the SIMS in but I have never heard of other
operators doing that.

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07-28-2007, 02:56 AM

"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:34:06 GMT, Haggis McMutton
> <haggis@somewhere.ere> wrote:

[snip]

> > Maybe. A lot of the phones sold at Argos, etc. are
> > subsidised by the networks as they make their money
> > from call costs later on. However, if the phone is
> > never used on the intended network, the retailer
> > doesn't get a credit for it so they do not like you
> > doing it.
>
> I bet.
>
> > I've heard some phones have the SIM glued in,
>
> Surely that's illegal with disclosure?

I believe that 3 are gluing in some SIM cards.

Ivor

07-28-2007, 02:59 AM

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:20:17 +0100, "bhm" <me@privacy.co.invalid.uk>
wrote:

>"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:6vmka359l6prqo0ohhf4o5g7lahfrdi6bl@4ax.com.. .
>> Cant seem to find any details of the actual deal these phones come
>> with, so I'm guessing there isn't one.
>>
>> Does this mean if I buy say an 02 Nokia PAYG from one of these shops,
>> I can use any of the 02 PAYG deals? or perhaps even just have the
>> phone unlock and go anywhere else? Is this how it works?
>
>You're best of going to carphone warehouse, that way, you most properly get
>a phone which is Unlocked and Unbranded.
>

At the same prices as Asda/Argos etc?

07-28-2007, 03:00 AM

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:30:35 +0000 (UTC), PWCA <pwca@deadspam.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:59:54 +0100, Brian wrote:
>
>> Cant seem to find any details of the actual deal these phones come
>> with, so I'm guessing there isn't one.
>>
>> Does this mean if I buy say an 02 Nokia PAYG from one of these shops,
>> I can use any of the 02 PAYG deals?
>
>Yes, they can't stop you using another SIM of the same operator, and even
>using the SIM that comes with the phone you will be able to pich which O2
>PAYG deals/tarifs
>
>or perhaps even just have the
>> phone unlock and go anywhere else? Is this how it works?
>>
>> TIA
>
>Yes if it is an unlockable phone.
>
>There was tails of 3 gluing the SIMS in but I have never heard of other
>operators doing that.

Excellent. That widens the options a little ;-)

Thanks.

07-28-2007, 03:01 AM

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:56:13 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:78lla315rgvoaobkvimojdael97melejkt@4ax.com
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:34:06 GMT, Haggis McMutton
>> <haggis@somewhere.ere> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> > Maybe. A lot of the phones sold at Argos, etc. are
>> > subsidised by the networks as they make their money
>> > from call costs later on. However, if the phone is
>> > never used on the intended network, the retailer
>> > doesn't get a credit for it so they do not like you
>> > doing it.
>>
>> I bet.
>>
>> > I've heard some phones have the SIM glued in,
>>
>> Surely that's illegal with disclosure?
>
>I believe that 3 are gluing in some SIM cards.
>

In which case I wouldn't touch 3.

07-28-2007, 03:01 AM

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:78lla315rgvoaobkvimojdael97melejkt@4ax.com
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:34:06 GMT, Haggis McMutton
>> <haggis@somewhere.ere> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> > Maybe. A lot of the phones sold at Argos, etc. are
>> > subsidised by the networks as they make their money
>> > from call costs later on. However, if the phone is
>> > never used on the intended network, the retailer
>> > doesn't get a credit for it so they do not like you
>> > doing it.
>>
>> I bet.
>>
>> > I've heard some phones have the SIM glued in,
>>
>> Surely that's illegal with disclosure?
>
> I believe that 3 are gluing in some SIM cards.

Only on the low-end ZTE (I think) handsets. What makes it even worse is
that the "glue" is a resin that can be removed (though not easily) but once
removed you'll find that there is no SIM card holder so the phone is still
useless.

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07-28-2007, 03:11 AM

On 28/7/07 09:01, Brian wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:56:13 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:78lla315rgvoaobkvimojdael97melejkt@4ax.com
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:34:06 GMT, Haggis McMutton
>>> <haggis@somewhere.ere> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> Maybe. A lot of the phones sold at Argos, etc. are
>>>> subsidised by the networks as they make their money
>>>> from call costs later on. However, if the phone is
>>>> never used on the intended network, the retailer
>>>> doesn't get a credit for it so they do not like you
>>>> doing it.
>>> I bet.
>>>
>>>> I've heard some phones have the SIM glued in,
>>> Surely that's illegal with disclosure?
>> I believe that 3 are gluing in some SIM cards.
>>
>
> In which case I wouldn't touch 3.

Has any actually seen one of these glue phones themselves as opposed to
being told about them by others ????

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07-28-2007, 04:16 AM

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:01:51 GMT, "Richard Colton"
<webmaster@SPAMuselessinfoTRAP.org.uk> wrote:

>
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>news:5h0b53F3i94f1U1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:78lla315rgvoaobkvimojdael97melejkt@4ax.com
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:34:06 GMT, Haggis McMutton
>>> <haggis@somewhere.ere> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> > Maybe. A lot of the phones sold at Argos, etc. are
>>> > subsidised by the networks as they make their money
>>> > from call costs later on. However, if the phone is
>>> > never used on the intended network, the retailer
>>> > doesn't get a credit for it so they do not like you
>>> > doing it.
>>>
>>> I bet.
>>>
>>> > I've heard some phones have the SIM glued in,
>>>
>>> Surely that's illegal with disclosure?
>>
>> I believe that 3 are gluing in some SIM cards.
>
>Only on the low-end ZTE (I think) handsets. What makes it even worse is
>that the "glue" is a resin that can be removed (though not easily) but once
>removed you'll find that there is no SIM card holder so the phone is still
>useless.
Presumably though, if there has previously been room for a SIM card
holder, it might be possible to fit one (perhaps gleaned from an old
phone), or, alternatively to glue in a SIM with more easily removeable
glue.

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07-28-2007, 05:25 AM

"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:01:51 GMT, "Richard Colton"
> <webmaster@SPAMuselessinfoTRAP.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:5h0b53F3i94f1U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:78lla315rgvoaobkvimojdael97melejkt@4ax.com
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:34:06 GMT, Haggis McMutton
>>>> <haggis@somewhere.ere> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> > Maybe. A lot of the phones sold at Argos, etc. are
>>>> > subsidised by the networks as they make their money
>>>> > from call costs later on. However, if the phone is
>>>> > never used on the intended network, the retailer
>>>> > doesn't get a credit for it so they do not like you
>>>> > doing it.
>>>>
>>>> I bet.
>>>>
>>>> > I've heard some phones have the SIM glued in,
>>>>
>>>> Surely that's illegal with disclosure?
>>>
>>> I believe that 3 are gluing in some SIM cards.
>>
>>Only on the low-end ZTE (I think) handsets. What makes it even worse is
>>that the "glue" is a resin that can be removed (though not easily) but
>>once
>>removed you'll find that there is no SIM card holder so the phone is still
>>useless.
> Presumably though, if there has previously been room for a SIM card
> holder, it might be possible to fit one (perhaps gleaned from an old
> phone), or, alternatively to glue in a SIM with more easily removeable
> glue.

It would be intirely possible, but is it worth it? It's nigh-on impossible
to remove all the resin even with the correct solvent, and when you consider
how cheap some simple PAYG phones are........

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07-28-2007, 06:37 AM

"David Kennedy"
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> On 28/7/07 09:01, Brian wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:56:13 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:78lla315rgvoaobkvimojdael97melejkt@4ax.com
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:34:06 GMT, Haggis McMutton
>>>> <haggis@somewhere.ere> wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>> Maybe. A lot of the phones sold at Argos, etc. are
>>>>> subsidised by the networks as they make their money
>>>>> from call costs later on. However, if the phone is
>>>>> never used on the intended network, the retailer
>>>>> doesn't get a credit for it so they do not like you
>>>>> doing it.
>>>> I bet.
>>>>
>>>>> I've heard some phones have the SIM glued in,
>>>> Surely that's illegal with disclosure?
>>> I believe that 3 are gluing in some SIM cards.
>>>
>>
>> In which case I wouldn't touch 3.
>
> Has any actually seen one of these glue phones themselves as opposed to
> being told about them by others ????

Yes, but as I stated in my other post, I've only seen this done on the cheap
ZTE handsets.

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07-28-2007, 11:22 AM

"Haggis McMutton" <haggis@somewhere.ere> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:59:54 +0100, Brian wrote:
>> Cant seem to find any details of the actual deal these phones come with,
>> so I'm guessing there isn't one.
>>
>> Does this mean if I buy say an 02 Nokia PAYG from one of these shops, I
>> can use any of the 02 PAYG deals? or perhaps even just have the phone
>> unlock and go anywhere else? Is this how it works?
>
> Maybe. A lot of the phones sold at Argos, etc. are subsidised by the
> networks as they make their money from call costs later on. However, if
> the phone is never used on the intended network, the retailer doesn't get
> a credit for it so they do not like you doing it.
>
> I've heard some phones have the SIM glued in, I know that Argos have/had a
> one mobile phone per customer policy.
That is very easy to sort out, you can unglue them in about 5 minutes then
have the phones unlocked.