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Old 01-26-2008, 03:22 AM   #1
John Youles
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Re: Right of mobile phone companies to pass on third party charges


Juan Kerr <juan.kerr@bluebottle.com> wrote:
> On Jan 21, 9:40*pm, Alex Heney <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > I now perfectly well that is how it works.
> >
> > But that is STILL not the telco defrauding you.
> > --
> > Alex Heney, Global Villager

>
> I don't really know how much simpler I can make it for you to grasp
> that it IS the telco doing the defrauding?
>
> As an analogy, let's assume you employ Bob The Builder to build you a
> garden wall. When he's finished, he presents you with an inflated
> invoice and when you query it he says "oh yes, the local garden centre
> instructed me to put up a shed and bill you".
>
> You wouldn't expect to have to pay the builder and chase the garden
> centre for a refund............there's no contract between you and the
> garden centre, you've paid them no money so why would they feel the
> need to refund you?
>
> Deducting the cost of the shed and paying Bob the remainder isn't an
> option either; it's all or nothing I'm afraid in this analogy.
>
> So you pay the builder the full amount at which point he then says
> "sorry, no refunds, go and talk to the garden centre".
>
> That's as accurate an analogy as there is and it probably highlights
> how corrupt the reverse-SMS system is.


Excellently put !


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Old 01-26-2008, 02:51 PM   #2
Alex Heney
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Re: Right of mobile phone companies to pass on third party charges


On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:22:13 GMT, John Youles
<jyoules@this.address.is.invalid> wrote:

>Juan Kerr <juan.kerr@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 21, 9:40*pm, Alex Heney <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I now perfectly well that is how it works.
>> >
>> > But that is STILL not the telco defrauding you.
>> > --
>> > Alex Heney, Global Villager

>>
>> I don't really know how much simpler I can make it for you to grasp
>> that it IS the telco doing the defrauding?
>>
>> As an analogy, let's assume you employ Bob The Builder to build you a
>> garden wall. When he's finished, he presents you with an inflated
>> invoice and when you query it he says "oh yes, the local garden centre
>> instructed me to put up a shed and bill you".
>>
>> You wouldn't expect to have to pay the builder and chase the garden
>> centre for a refund............there's no contract between you and the
>> garden centre, you've paid them no money so why would they feel the
>> need to refund you?
>>
>> Deducting the cost of the shed and paying Bob the remainder isn't an
>> option either; it's all or nothing I'm afraid in this analogy.
>>
>> So you pay the builder the full amount at which point he then says
>> "sorry, no refunds, go and talk to the garden centre".
>>
>> That's as accurate an analogy as there is and it probably highlights
>> how corrupt the reverse-SMS system is.

>
>Excellently put !


It was completely pointless, since it wasn't a good analogy, and even
if it had been, it certainly would not have demonstrated that any
fraud might be taking place.
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