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  1. #1
    Mike Casswell
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    My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with which to
    make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up 'Orange Enhanced
    Line 2' so that I can also make private calls, billed to me, on the
    same phone.

    If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account, will
    both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I transfer the
    sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?

    Thanks

    --
    Mike Casswell




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  2. #2
    R. Mark Clayton
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    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2


    "Mike Casswell" <nobody@there> wrote in message
    news:VA.00000004.b5981d94@there...
    > My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with which to
    > make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up 'Orange Enhanced
    > Line 2' so that I can also make private calls, billed to me, on the
    > same phone.
    >
    > If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account, will
    > both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I transfer the
    > sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?


    Depends on the phone. Many phones support it (including my Motorola), but
    some don't.

    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > --
    > Mike Casswell
    >






  3. #3
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2

    In news:[email protected],
    R. Mark Clayton <[email protected]> typed, for some strange,
    unexplained reason:
    : "Mike Casswell" <nobody@there> wrote in message
    : news:VA.00000004.b5981d94@there...
    : > My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with
    : > which to make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up
    : > 'Orange Enhanced Line 2' so that I can also make private calls,
    : > billed to me, on the same phone.
    : >
    : > If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account,
    : > will both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I
    : > transfer the sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?
    :
    : Depends on the phone. Many phones support it (including my
    : Motorola), but some don't.

    If it doesn't, it can probably be enabled, if it's a Nokia try here:

    http://www.unlockme.co.uk/linetwo.html

    although this page seems to be a little old,not sure if it will work with
    newer handsets.


    Ivor




  4. #4
    Steve Terry
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    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2

    "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In news:[email protected],
    > R. Mark Clayton <[email protected]> typed, for some strange,
    > unexplained reason:
    > : "Mike Casswell" <nobody@there> wrote in message
    > : news:VA.00000004.b5981d94@there...
    > : > My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with
    > : > which to make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up
    > : > 'Orange Enhanced Line 2' so that I can also make private calls,
    > : > billed to me, on the same phone.
    > : >
    > : > If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account,
    > : > will both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I
    > : > transfer the sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?
    > :
    > : Depends on the phone. Many phones support it (including my
    > : Motorola), but some don't.
    >
    > If it doesn't, it can probably be enabled, if it's a Nokia try here:
    > http://www.unlockme.co.uk/linetwo.html
    > although this page seems to be a little old,not sure if it will work with
    > newer handsets.
    > Ivor
    >

    5 Years ago seemed half the people I knew on Orange had Line 2
    (usually OVP Virgin L1, ED50 L2).
    Orange now only offer L2 to business users.

    What a Farce. The Futures bright, the Futures anyone but Orange.

    Steve Terry





  5. #5
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2

    In news:[email protected],
    Steve Terry <[email protected]> typed, for some strange, unexplained
    reason:

    [snip]

    : What a Farce. The Futures bright, the Futures anyone but Orange.
    :
    : Steve Terry

    On the last (ever) contract I had, I had Talk 60 on the main number and
    Talk 30 on Line 2. Gave it up as I seemed to be making calls to use up the
    minutes.

    The specs for the mobile systems allow for Line 2, why can't it be offered
    on *all* tariffs on all networks..? I for one would love to cut down on
    the number of phones I have to carry about..! I have one for personal use,
    one for work (personally supplied and paid for, the company won't give me
    one but I don't want them to know my personal number) and one with the
    original Orange Out Here pack on for the free SMS. If I had L2 I could
    lose at least one phone..!

    Why have no other networks ever offered Line 2..?

    Ivor




  6. #6
    Steve Terry
    Guest

    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2


    "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In news:[email protected],
    > Steve Terry <[email protected]> typed, for some strange, unexplained
    > reason:
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    > : What a Farce. The Futures bright, the Futures anyone but Orange.
    > : Steve Terry
    >
    > On the last (ever) contract I had, I had Talk 60 on the main number and
    > Talk 30 on Line 2. Gave it up as I seemed to be making calls to use up the
    > minutes.
    > The specs for the mobile systems allow for Line 2, why can't it be offered
    > on *all* tariffs on all networks..? I for one would love to cut down on
    > the number of phones I have to carry about..! I have one for personal use,
    > one for work (personally supplied and paid for, the company won't give me
    > one but I don't want them to know my personal number) and one with the
    > original Orange Out Here pack on for the free SMS. If I had L2 I could
    > lose at least one phone..!
    >
    > Why have no other networks ever offered Line 2..?
    > Ivor
    >

    The other PCN network 121 had Line 2 incoming only,
    but as soon as T Mobile took them over they scraped it

    AFAIK the only reason the networks don't like to offer L2,
    is not all handsets are control sim protocol (CSP) enabled for it,
    letting the sim control things like L2 and voicemail, etc.
    They don't want to complicate things for themselves.
    Nokias CSP can be switched.

    The Networks could simply say L2 is only offered on approved handsets

    Seems easy money for them if they could be bothered,
    even O2 and Voda could add it, Voda have added CSP controlled Voicemail

    Steve Terry










  7. #7
    Jon Parker
    Guest

    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2

    In article <VA.00000004.b5981d94@there>, nobody@there says...
    > My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with which to
    > make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up 'Orange Enhanced
    > Line 2' so that I can also make private calls, billed to me, on the
    > same phone.
    >
    > If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account, will
    > both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I transfer the
    > sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?


    Possibly not. It depends if the phone you are referring has the facility
    to support Line 2.
    --
    Regards
    Jon



  8. #8
    Jon Parker
    Guest

    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected]lid says...
    > Why have no other networks ever offered Line 2..?


    Lack of demand.
    --
    Regards
    Jon



  9. #9
    Jon Parker
    Guest

    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > AFAIK the only reason the networks don't like to offer L2,
    > is not all handsets are control sim protocol (CSP) enabled for it,


    CSP stands for Custom SIM Profile.
    --
    Regards
    Jon



  10. #10
    Steve Terry
    Guest

    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2


    "Jon Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    >> AFAIK the only reason the networks don't like to offer L2,
    >> is not all handsets are control sim protocol (CSP) enabled for it,

    >
    > CSP stands for Custom SIM Profile.
    > Regards
    > Jon
    >

    OK, i was close, but "control" is a better description than "custom" of what
    it does

    Steve Terry





  11. #11
    Steve Terry
    Guest

    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2


    "Jon Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected]lid says...
    >> Why have no other networks ever offered Line 2..?

    >
    > Lack of demand.
    > Regards
    > Jon
    >

    Never advertised, of course lack of demand if you don't tell anyone!

    What was truly amazing is how Hans Snook created Orange
    with a customer base of over 12 million with hardly any advertising,
    relying on mostly word of mouth.

    Now FT Orange spend a fortune patronising it's customers
    advertising with inane animal analogues on TV, and insulting movie stars
    in the cinema, resulting in dropping from joint first to 4th place.

    FT Orange are a prime example of how lousy management
    can inherit a successful one and wreck it.

    Steve Terry





  12. #12
    Adrian C
    Guest

    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2

    Steve Terry wrote:
    >
    > Never advertised, of course lack of demand if you don't tell anyone!
    >


    Thank goodness Orange never advertised Push-To-Talk properly. We have
    been saved by school kids using their phones like CB sets with the
    speaker volume set to eleven :-)

    Instead of numerous websites and blogs about technical fanciable
    features of phones and their fashionable looks, what would be useful is
    a run down of the technical features of the service providers. Who does
    EDGE, 3G, wet string etc - and where does each service geographically work?

    If they can't advertise their wares properly, maybe someone else should
    drag the info out of them.

    Bit like http://www.samknows.com does for broadband. Does anyone know of
    such a site for the UK?

    --
    Adrian C



  13. #13
    Steve Terry
    Guest

    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2


    "Adrian C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Steve Terry wrote:
    >>
    >> Never advertised, of course lack of demand if you don't tell anyone!

    >
    > Thank goodness Orange never advertised Push-To-Talk properly.
    > We have been saved by school kids using their phones like CB sets
    > with the speaker volume set to eleven :-)
    >

    You might hate the way PTT was used until Orange with the usual lack
    of publicity managed to kill that too.

    Instead of meaningless inflatable animals floating around, Orange should
    have
    had a TV ad campaign of professionals and workers talking by PTT

    It's been a big success in the USA

    It seems Orange are so deeply tied into the absurd animals totem concept
    that they spent millions on developing, no one there can change the
    companies direction

    Steve Terry





  14. #14
    Mike Casswell
    Guest

    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2

    Thanks for the replies. Summarising:

    If the phone supports Line 2 and if the support is enabled then my plan
    should work. If it supports Line 2 but it is not enabled then it may be
    possible to enable it, given the correct software and information.

    Have I got this right?




  15. #15
    Jon Pitts
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    Re: Advice Please - Orange Enhanced Line 2


    "Mike Casswell" <nobody@there> wrote in message
    news:VA.00000004.b5981d94@there...
    > My employer is offering to supply me with an Orange phone with which to
    > make work calls. They also offer the ability to set up 'Orange Enhanced
    > Line 2' so that I can also make private calls, billed to me, on the
    > same phone.
    >
    > If I take them up on this and set up the Enhanced Line 2 account, will
    > both the accounts then continue to function correctly if I transfer the
    > sim card to my own (unlocked) phone?
    >


    At the risk of replying too late to be useful, be careful whether you're
    referring to "Standard Line 2" or "Enhanced Line 2".

    Standard Line 2 uses the GSM "ALS" functionality as some other posters have
    mentioned - and, within reason, any GSM handset will support it.

    Enhanced Line 2 uses a Java menu in the SIM which the handset must support.
    It allows roaming and outgoing SMS on Line 2 which the "standard" variant
    doesn't. There did exist a list once on the Orange website of which phone
    supported it - of course, this page is doing a very good job of hiding now.
    I'd guess Business CS might still have it to hand...

    Regards

    Jon.

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    Jon Pitts
    Email: [email protected] Attachments: [email protected]





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