Orange discontinues Line2 !?

According to the Orange Website, Line2 "is not longer available to new customers".
WTF?!
I was just up to switch to Orange just to get this service!
Is it really not possible to subscribe to this service any longer?
Why is that?
The only replacement seems to be the "Enhanced Line 2" service, which works via
Sim-Toolkit, but not ALS.
Well, ALS is better.
Especially due to the fact, that there is no way to determine the line of incomming
calls with "Enhanced Line 2". With "Line 2"/ ALS, this feature works.
Even recent Blackberry and WinMobile devices support ALS now.
Why would Orange change it then? Stupid decision-makers?
-Steve-

Steve wrote:
> According to the Orange Website, Line2 "is not longer available to new customers".
> WTF?!
> I was just up to switch to Orange just to get this service!
> Is it really not possible to subscribe to this service any longer?
> Why is that?
> The only replacement seems to be the "Enhanced Line 2" service, which works via
> Sim-Toolkit, but not ALS.
> Well, ALS is better.
> Especially due to the fact, that there is no way to determine the line of incomming
> calls with "Enhanced Line 2". With "Line 2"/ ALS, this feature works.
> Even recent Blackberry and WinMobile devices support ALS now.
> Why would Orange change it then? Stupid decision-makers?
> -Steve-
>

This was probably the last service that differentiated Orange from their
competitors. I see no reason for anyone to use Orange anymore, not sure
they are competitive, customer service is also dire from what I read.
Until FT took them over they were a great company, but they have plunged
the depths now, going from biggest of the original 4 to the smallest now
I believe.

In message <6hliu5Fld0rkU2@mid.dfncis.de>, Steve <me@privacy.net> writes
>According to the Orange Website, Line2 "is not longer available to new
>customers".
>WTF?!
>I was just up to switch to Orange just to get this service!
>Is it really not possible to subscribe to this service any longer?
>Why is that?

Hasn't that been the case for a long time, at least for private
customers?

I wonder how long it will remain for existing customers.
--
Gyp
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In newsqEU27DOVktIFwVS@orange.orange,
Gyp <Gyp@gyponline.co.uk> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
: In message <6hliu5Fld0rkU2@mid.dfncis.de>, Steve <me@privacy.net>
: writes
: >According to the Orange Website, Line2 "is not longer available to
: >new customers".
: >WTF?!
: >I was just up to switch to Orange just to get this service!
: >Is it really not possible to subscribe to this service any longer?
: >Why is that?
:
: Hasn't that been the case for a long time, at least for private
: customers?
:
: I wonder how long it will remain for existing customers.

Isn't Line 2 part of the GSM specification..? You'd think *all* the
networks would be falling over themselves to offer it, especially to
business customers who want one number for personal use and one for work.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
> In newsqEU27DOVktIFwVS@orange.orange,
> Gyp <Gyp@gyponline.co.uk> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
> : In message <6hliu5Fld0rkU2@mid.dfncis.de>, Steve <me@privacy.net>
> : writes
> : >According to the Orange Website, Line2 "is not longer available to
> : >new customers".
> : >WTF?!
> : >I was just up to switch to Orange just to get this service!
> : >Is it really not possible to subscribe to this service any longer?
> : >Why is that?
> :
> : Hasn't that been the case for a long time, at least for private
> : customers?
> :
> : I wonder how long it will remain for existing customers.
>
> Isn't Line 2 part of the GSM specification..? You'd think *all* the
> networks would be falling over themselves to offer it, especially to
> business customers who want one number for personal use and one for work.

So they can sell 2 handsets rather than 1?

D

"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.dd7a7d882da7d442.88534@blueyonder.invalid. ..
> ACDeag formulated the question :
>> [Orange] going from biggest of the original 4
>
> ?
>
I think he meant going from joint first, to 5th and last place
for customer numbers.

OCT Orange Customer Retentions, must be the most depressing
department to have to work for?

Steve Terry

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
news:6hn1hvFn1ps3U1@mid.individual.net...
> In newsqEU27DOVktIFwVS@orange.orange,
> Gyp <Gyp@gyponline.co.uk> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
> : In message <6hliu5Fld0rkU2@mid.dfncis.de>, Steve <me@privacy.net>
> : writes
> : >According to the Orange Website, Line2 "is not longer available to
> : >new customers".
> : >WTF?!
> : >I was just up to switch to Orange just to get this service!
> : >Is it really not possible to subscribe to this service any longer?
> : >Why is that?
> :
> : Hasn't that been the case for a long time, at least for private
> : customers?
> :
> : I wonder how long it will remain for existing customers.
>
> Isn't Line 2 part of the GSM specification..? You'd think *all* the
> networks would be falling over themselves to offer it, especially to
> business customers who want one number for personal use and one for work.
> Ivor
>
>
It's part of the PCN spec, 1800MHz GSM, Originally Orange and One2one
could offer Line 2, One2one only offered Line 2 incoming.

Any network could offer Line 2 on selected phones, not all phones have ALS

No one has ever accused any network of good business practices,
especially Orange since FT took them over.

Steve Terry

"Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.23207936c9a73df9896c1@news.aioe.org...
> In article <6hn1hvFn1ps3U1@mid.individual.net>,
> ivor@thisaddressis.invalid says...
>> Isn't Line 2 part of the GSM specification..? You'd think *all* the
>> networks would be falling over themselves to offer it, especially to
>> business customers who want one number for personal use and one for work.
>
> In all my years in the industry I've never actually connected anyone to
> a Line 2, or ever been asked for it.
>
>
Cos Orange never advertised it?
and it was only worth getting when Ten quid or less tariffs like ED50,
or Talk 60 were available on it, losing those killed the cost effectivness
of L2

If any network offered L2 and advertised it with sub 10quid tariffs
it would sell.

But the networks would rather try and sell two phones,
and with Oranges retention figures,end up selling none.

Steve Terry

In news:MPG.23207936c9a73df9896c1@news.aioe.org,
Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
: In article <6hn1hvFn1ps3U1@mid.individual.net>,
: ivor@thisaddressis.invalid says...
: > Isn't Line 2 part of the GSM specification..? You'd think *all* the
: > networks would be falling over themselves to offer it, especially to
: > business customers who want one number for personal use and one for
: > work.
:
: In all my years in the industry I've never actually connected anyone
: to a Line 2, or ever been asked for it.

I used to have it back in the old days of Talk 60 etc. but it became too
costly.

: A great idea, but with some shortcomings and of course, an addiditonal
: cost to the customer.

Why should it cost any more than the sum of the two talk plans..? It
should cost less as there is one less handset to pay for/upgrade.

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
news:6hnircFn2526U1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:MPG.23207936c9a73df9896c1@news.aioe.org,
> Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
> : In article <6hn1hvFn1ps3U1@mid.individual.net>,
> : ivor@thisaddressis.invalid says...
> : > Isn't Line 2 part of the GSM specification..? You'd think *all* the
> : > networks would be falling over themselves to offer it, especially to
> : > business customers who want one number for personal use and one for
> : > work.
> :
> : In all my years in the industry I've never actually connected anyone
> : to a Line 2, or ever been asked for it.
>
> I used to have it back in the old days of Talk 60 etc. but it became too
> costly.
>
I used to have L1 ED50, and L2 ED50.
but i didn't have a need for that amount of off-peak
>
> : A great idea, but with some shortcomings and of course, an additional
> : cost to the customer.
>
> Why should it cost any more than the sum of the two talk plans..?
> It should cost less as there is one less handset to pay for/upgrade.
> Ivor
>
>
Exactly, that's why Snooks Orange discounted L2 by a Fiver
e.g. ED50 Line 1 was 15quid, ED50 on Line 2 only an extra 10quid.

As phones got more complicated and expensive with more phone
subsidy, L2 discount should have grown not been eliminated.

Oranges Billing computer can handle any combination and rate,
they could have even offered PAYG rates on L2
That would have made L2 popular

The lucky few got OVP Virgin L1 and ED50 L2,
even though Orange rules said L2 should not be worth more than L1

No good reason why not, Orange middle mangament have always
made up pointless rules to prove their Reason d'etra

To paraphrase John Clease..
"I dedicate this posting to Orange management, without whom
anything is possible"

Steve Terry

"Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:g96f19$mc0$1@news.albasani.net...

> made up pointless rules to prove their Reason d'etra

Raison d'etre?

;-)


--
J B

In article <g95vqr$6oj$1@news.albasani.net>, gFOURwwk@tesco.net says...
> Cos Orange never advertised it?

I don't know. I've been with them for 6 years, it's not been actively
advertised in that time in the retail channel. Maybe it has elsewhere.

> If any network offered L2 and advertised it with sub 10quid tariffs
> it would sell.

With the amount of minutes and texts available in todays marketplace,
and the abolition of peak and off peak and cross network minutes, I
doubt it would sell.
--
Regards
Jon

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:48:55 UTC, "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net>
wrote:

> Cos Orange never advertised it?
> and it was only worth getting when Ten quid or less tariffs like ED50,
> or Talk 60 were available on it, losing those killed the cost effectivness
> of L2
>
> If any network offered L2 and advertised it with sub 10quid tariffs
> it would sell.
>
> But the networks would rather try and sell two phones,
> and with Oranges retention figures,end up selling none.

Had an interesting bonus this week. Ported two phones from Orange to
Three, in the local Three shop.

"Oh, you're doing two at once. You get a bonus"

(this is on Mix & Match 300)

"What's that?"

"2000 extra 3-to-3 minutes each month on both phones".

!!!!


--
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

"Bob Eager" <rde42@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-LTCJLNHqsbpO@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:48:55 UTC, "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Cos Orange never advertised it?
>> and it was only worth getting when Ten quid or less tariffs like ED50,
>> or Talk 60 were available on it, losing those killed the cost
>> effectivness
>> of L2
>>
>> If any network offered L2 and advertised it with sub 10quid tariffs
>> it would sell.
>> But the networks would rather try and sell two phones,
>> and with Oranges retention figures,end up selling none.
>
> Had an interesting bonus this week. Ported two phones from
> Orange to Three, in the local Three shop.
> "Oh, you're doing two at once. You get a bonus"
> (this is on Mix & Match 300)
> "What's that?"
> "2000 extra 3-to-3 minutes each month on both phones".
> !!!!
> Bob Eager
>
>
Yes that's what i took last month, a pair of Three Nokia 6120
on M&M 300 for 6 months with 2000 extra 3to3 mins.

Ideal for me and the GF, that's all her calls to me covered
for the next 6 months. ;-)

Steve Terry

"Bill Porter" <b.e.p@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:48bfe3d2$0$1545$ed362ca5@nr2.newsreader.com.. .
> "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote in message
> news:g96f19$mc0$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> <snip>
>
>> The lucky few got OVP Virgin L1 and ED50 L2,
>> even though Orange rules said L2 should not be worth more than L1
>
> I guess thats no longer true? - funny I came upon this thread whilst
> looking for some justification for not getting rid of exactly the
> combination you describe. I rarely use L2 and certainly don't get
> anything like a tenners worth out of it - but then again I have been
> assuming for ages that the ED50 part is still affected by peak and
> off-peak tarrifs, am I wrong?
> Bill
>
>
ED50 still off-peak and weekends, but it includes 50mins a day off-peak
0845 and 0870 and then 1p per min.

Which can be used for 0870 international callthroughs.
So an ideal tariff for heavy off peak land line or international caller,
or if there are any left, 0870 chatlines.

Although these days VOIP has taken over very cheap international calls.

Steve Terry