008453015446 008 453 015 446

In message [email protected],
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <[email protected]> Proclaimed
from the tallest tower:

> Following number is used for frauding the public...
>
> 008453015446 - 008 453 015 446
>
> Be careful!!!

Assuming this is not some kind of spam/fraud/wind-up (which I imagine it
probably is)
Like to give a few more details...?

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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Tim Downie <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> FWIW, 0084 is the international dailling code for Vietnam. I wonder
> what "frauding" is?
>

Could it be the opposite of de-frauding? <d>
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In message [email protected],
Stop Scammers Now! <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the tallest
tower:

> They're trying to get your banking details!
>
> Credit card numbers, email addresses and basically become you!

Well, that's what most scammers are after, but HOW are they trying to do
this? I'm not going to just give any personal details to some random
caller...

--
Regards,
Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)

ChrisM wrote:
> In message [email protected],
> Stop Scammers Now! <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the
> tallest tower:
>
>> They're trying to get your banking details!
>>
>> Credit card numbers, email addresses and basically become you!
>
> Well, that's what most scammers are after, but HOW are they trying to
> do this? I'm not going to just give any personal details to some
> random caller...

Vulcan mind meld over the phone. ;-)

Whilst doubtlessly well intentioned, I very much doubt that a warning *here*
is going to get to the vulnerable people who might fall for this kind of
scam.

Tim

Tim Downie <[email protected]> wrote:
> Vulcan mind meld over the phone. ;-)

Has the ITU standardised a protocol for that?

> Whilst doubtlessly well intentioned, I very much doubt that a warning
> *here* is going to get to the vulnerable people who might fall for this
> kind of scam.

True, though Google will pick it up.

FWIW the original number was probably a UK number 0845 301 5446
or 0845 3105446. Someone else has been called:
http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/08453015446
http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/008453015446

Theo

"ChrisM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Well, that's what most scammers are after, but HOW are they trying to do
> this? I'm not going to just give any personal details to some random
> caller...
>

So someone claiming to be from your credit card company calls you and asks
you to confirm a few security details with them to establish you are you as
there's been some unusual activity on your card account and they need to
establish if fraud is taking place.

You own a credit card from the company in question so.............do you
volunteer the information?

(this happened to me about a year ago......I told them to fu*k off and write
to me)

Craven Moorhead wrote:
>
> "ChrisM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Well, that's what most scammers are after, but HOW are they trying to
>> do this? I'm not going to just give any personal details to some
>> random caller...
>>
>
> So someone claiming to be from your credit card company calls you and
> asks you to confirm a few security details with them to establish you
> are you as there's been some unusual activity on your card account and
> they need to establish if fraud is taking place.
>
> You own a credit card from the company in question so.............do you
> volunteer the information?
>
> (this happened to me about a year ago......I told them to fu*k off and
> write to me)

It happened to us last week, but not from that number. We declined
to discuss security details and called them back on the number we know.

It was a genuine call, and the transaction they were concerned about
was genuine too.

regards, Ian

In news[email protected],
Ian Smith <[email protected]> typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:
: Craven Moorhead wrote:

[snip]

: > You own a credit card from the company in question
: > so.............do you volunteer the information?
: >
: > (this happened to me about a year ago......I told them to fu*k off
: > and write to me)
:
: It happened to us last week, but not from that number. We declined
: to discuss security details and called them back on the number we
: know.
:
: It was a genuine call, and the transaction they were concerned about
: was genuine too.

What frightens me since the introduction of Chip & Pin is the ease with
which large sums can be taken from your account without question. I bought
a new (ok, 2nd hand) car this week and paid on my debit card, having
previously transferred the money from my savings account.

Ok payment time, smiled the salesman. Gave him my card, put it in the
little machine, enter amount, enter PIN, "OK" flashes up, job done. Not
unusual you say but this was for a transaction of almost £6000. I would
have expected someone from the card processing centre to ring up asking if
the transaction was genuine, but no. The salesman said it did happen
occasionally, but very rarely.

The same happened when I paid around £5000 for a new bike last year. Yes
both transactions were genuine, but my bank didn't know that.


Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In news[email protected],
> Ian Smith <[email protected]> typed, for some strange,
> unexplained reason:
> : Craven Moorhead wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> : > You own a credit card from the company in question
> : > so.............do you volunteer the information?
> : >
> : > (this happened to me about a year ago......I told them to fu*k off
> : > and write to me)
> :
> : It happened to us last week, but not from that number. We declined
> : to discuss security details and called them back on the number we
> : know.
> :
> : It was a genuine call, and the transaction they were concerned about
> : was genuine too.
>
> What frightens me since the introduction of Chip & Pin is the ease with
> which large sums can be taken from your account without question.

There is a question, It's what is your PIN number.

> I bought
> a new (ok, 2nd hand) car this week and paid on my debit card, having
> previously transferred the money from my savings account.
>
> Ok payment time, smiled the salesman. Gave him my card, put it in the
> little machine, enter amount, enter PIN, "OK" flashes up, job done. Not
> unusual you say but this was for a transaction of almost £6000. I would
> have expected someone from the card processing centre to ring up asking if
> the transaction was genuine, but no. The salesman said it did happen
> occasionally, but very rarely.
>
> The same happened when I paid around £5000 for a new bike last year. Yes
> both transactions were genuine, but my bank didn't know that.
>
>
> Ivor
>

In news:[email protected],
DubDriver <[email protected]> typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: news:[email protected]...

[snip]

: > What frightens me since the introduction of Chip & Pin is the ease
: > with which large sums can be taken from your account without
: > question.
:
: There is a question, It's what is your PIN number.

Which isn't exactly security personnified, is it..? 4 digits..?

For reasonably small amounts that all of us spend every day, maybe, but
for very large amounts (maybe £6000 isn't a very large amount for you, but
it damn well is for me) I would expect to be asked to confirm that I am
the card holder and the transaction is genuine.

Ivor

Theo Markettos wrote:
> Tim Downie <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Vulcan mind meld over the phone. ;-)
>
> Has the ITU standardised a protocol for that?
>
>> Whilst doubtlessly well intentioned, I very much doubt that a warning
>> *here* is going to get to the vulnerable people who might fall for
>> this kind of scam.
>
> True, though Google will pick it up.
>
> FWIW the original number was probably a UK number 0845 301 5446

More likely miskeyed by whoever posted it to that site?

> or 0845 3105446. Someone else has been called:
> http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/08453015446
> http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/008453015446

My money is on it being a Vietnamese number.

Tim

"Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In news:[email protected],
> DubDriver <[email protected]> typed, for some strange, unexplained
> reason:
> : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> : news:[email protected]...
>
> [snip]
>
> : > What frightens me since the introduction of Chip & Pin is the ease
> : > with which large sums can be taken from your account without
> : > question.
> :
> : There is a question, It's what is your PIN number.
>
> Which isn't exactly security personnified, is it..? 4 digits..?

One of ten thousand combinations.

> For reasonably small amounts that all of us spend every day, maybe, but
> for very large amounts (maybe £6000 isn't a very large amount for you, but
> it damn well is for me) I would expect to be asked to confirm that I am
> the card holder and the transaction is genuine.
>
> Ivor
>

In news:[email protected],
DubDriver <[email protected]> typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: news:[email protected]...
: > In news:[email protected],
: > DubDriver <[email protected]> typed, for some strange,
: > unexplained reason:
: > : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: > : news:[email protected]...
: >
: > [snip]
: >
: > : > What frightens me since the introduction of Chip & Pin is the
: > : > ease with which large sums can be taken from your account
: > : > without question.
: > :
: > : There is a question, It's what is your PIN number.
: >
: > Which isn't exactly security personnified, is it..? 4 digits..?
:
: One of ten thousand combinations.

Actually a lot less than that. The system does not allow use of codes that
they consider easy to guess, like 1111, 1234, 0000 etc. plus a few others.
But in any case my PIN could have been coerced from me by force by
criminals, hence the reason I expect large sums to require extra
authorisation. Maybe you have sufficient funds not to worry about £6000
here and there but I don't and the ease with which such sums can be
withdrawn worries me intensely.

I note you make no comment on this.

: > For reasonably small amounts that all of us spend every day, maybe,
: > but for very large amounts (maybe £6000 isn't a very large amount
: > for you, but it damn well is for me) I would expect to be asked to
: > confirm that I am the card holder and the transaction is genuine.

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In news[email protected],
> Ian Smith <[email protected]> typed, for some strange,
> unexplained reason:
> : Craven Moorhead wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> : > You own a credit card from the company in question
> : > so.............do you volunteer the information?
> : >
> : > (this happened to me about a year ago......I told them to fu*k off
> : > and write to me)
> :
> : It happened to us last week, but not from that number. We declined
> : to discuss security details and called them back on the number we
> : know.
> :
> : It was a genuine call, and the transaction they were concerned about
> : was genuine too.
>
> What frightens me since the introduction of Chip & Pin is the ease with
> which large sums can be taken from your account without question. I bought
> a new (ok, 2nd hand) car this week and paid on my debit card, having
> previously transferred the money from my savings account.
>
> Ok payment time, smiled the salesman. Gave him my card, put it in the
> little machine, enter amount, enter PIN, "OK" flashes up, job done. Not
> unusual you say but this was for a transaction of almost £6000. I would
> have expected someone from the card processing centre to ring up asking if
> the transaction was genuine, but no. The salesman said it did happen
> occasionally, but very rarely.
>

Its been like this for a while. I bought a car like this on a signature
about 5 years ago. Pre chip and pin. no questions on auth.

> The same happened when I paid around £5000 for a new bike last year. Yes
> both transactions were genuine, but my bank didn't know that.
>
>
> Ivor
>

"Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In news:[email protected],
> DubDriver <[email protected]> typed, for some strange, unexplained
> reason:
> : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> : news:[email protected]...
> : > In news:[email protected],
> : > DubDriver <[email protected]> typed, for some strange,
> : > unexplained reason:
> : > : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> : > : news:[email protected]...
> : >
> : > [snip]
> : >
> : > : > What frightens me since the introduction of Chip & Pin is the
> : > : > ease with which large sums can be taken from your account
> : > : > without question.
> : > :
> : > : There is a question, It's what is your PIN number.
> : >
> : > Which isn't exactly security personnified, is it..? 4 digits..?
> :
> : One of ten thousand combinations.
>
> Actually a lot less than that. The system does not allow use of codes that
> they consider easy to guess, like 1111, 1234, 0000 etc. plus a few others.

Then one of say nine thousand nine hundred

> But in any case my PIN could have been coerced from me by force by
> criminals, hence the reason I expect large sums to require extra
> authorisation. Maybe you have sufficient funds not to worry about £6000
> here and there but I don't and the ease with which such sums can be
> withdrawn worries me intensely.

The cardholder is not liable for fraud on the account

> I note you make no comment on this.
>
> : > For reasonably small amounts that all of us spend every day, maybe,
> : > but for very large amounts (maybe £6000 isn't a very large amount
> : > for you, but it damn well is for me) I would expect to be asked to
> : > confirm that I am the card holder and the transaction is genuine.
>
> Ivor
>