CrustyCrayon's Verizon Rant (split from hijacked thread)

[CrustyCrayon]

Yeah, I love how verizon makes you pay for a subscription to a service, so you can buy things from them. The "upgrade" charge to buy a new phone from them is even more bull %@#*&(. One thing that all the phone services do that I hate is chargeing for text messageing. It has to cost less, to them, for you to send a text than it does a phone call. But people go and pay to use texting, and now they know people will pay for it.

[Brad729]

Originally Posted by CrustyCrayon

Yeah, I love how verizon makes you pay for a subscription to a service, so you can buy things from them. The "upgrade" charge to buy a new phone from them is even more bull %@#*&(. One thing that all the phone services do that I hate is chargeing for text messageing. It has to cost less, to them, for you to send a text than it does a phone call. But people go and pay to use texting, and now they know people will pay for it.

Gosh, you know what I love the most? Those stupid people at the utility company that make me pay for electricity and water. I mean, come on! Water is all around us, in lakes, rivers, and it even falls out of the sky. Why should I have to pay for something that is available in nature for free?

Oh, yeah... I almost forgot that's how the world works... people pay for goods and services because other people had to work to provide those things, and the people working had to be paid for their time and trouble or else those aforementioned "things" would have never come into existence. Where does the money come from to pay all those Verizon employees and make all those expensive tv commercials if they are giving away a free service that costs them money to maintain and operate?

[paulcman]

Originally Posted by Brad729

Gosh, you know what I love the most? Those stupid people at the utility company that make me pay for electricity and water. I mean, come on! Water is all around us, in lakes, rivers, and it even falls out of the sky. Why should I have to pay for something that is available in nature for free?

Oh, yeah... I almost forgot that's how the world works... people pay for goods and services because other people had to work to provide those things, and the people working had to be paid for their time and trouble or else those aforementioned "things" would have never come into existence. Where does the money come from to pay all those Verizon employees and make all those expensive tv commercials if they are giving away a free service that costs them money to maintain and operate?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[CrustyCrayon]

[quote=Brad729]

Gosh, you know what I love the most? Those stupid people at the utility company that make me pay for electricity and water. I mean, come on! Water is all around us, in lakes, rivers, and it even falls out of the sky. Why should I have to pay for something that is available in nature for free?

When I was talking about paying for a subscription to buy even more from them, I wasn't talking about the monthly service bill. I was talking about things like v-cast. You pay 15$ a month inorder to go and buy music at a dollar a track. A dollar a track is fair, but not haveing to pay inorder to actually go and download it.
If you are going to go and buy a car, are you going to buy the car from a company who only wants you to buy their gas. Hell No! Thats what a the cell companies do. If I buy a computer I don't have to buy all my software from the same people, but with Cell phones, you do.
And in the case of the utility companies, you don't have to pay them two times. I pay for water, I get Water. (I have a well, so I dont) If I pay for a mobile information transmitting device service, I then get the option to pay even more money to do anything on that device. Thats what I am saying. If you think it's ok to get charged for things that could be free, then go right ahead. All I am saying is, its wroung when it wouldn't cost them any more to let us text message, but we still get charged.

The first cell phone company that does that is going to make billions. I can't believe you would defend them. Must be on the pay roll.

[CrustyCrayon]

Not the monthy service, the features like texting and downloading.
If you pay for a monthly internet service provider, they don't charge you for the things you download or send on the internet. Cell phones are just another form of info sending technology. I am not going to pay my ISP for posting on this forum or sending emails. I have allready done that with my monthly charges, but the same isn't true with cell phones.

[CrustyCrayon]

You people dont get it! I am not saying don't by gas..... alright here is what i am saying. Your car is the item you want to use, so you buy gas to use it. A computer is what you want to get on the net and communicate, so you get an ISP. You buy a cell phone because you want to keep in touch, so you get a cell phone carrier, and then you get charged ontop of you monthly charges to do any thing with your phone. Its like buying a Chevy and being told you can only put Chevy gas in the car, and if you want to go out of the state you have to get charged extra. I can't even believe people wouldn't want to pay less for something. Its like you people like the pain. Oh yeah, please hit me with another fee, oh yeah give me another.

[CrustyCrayon]

correct, but if you want to buy a ring tone, then why do some of them charge just for the service. And why cant I just upload one to my phone that I have made. The ringtone services are like a mechanic shop. I don't know enough to fix my own car, so i pay someone else to do it. I know how to put media on my phone, so why should I have to pay someone else to do it?

[Brad729]

Originally Posted by CrustyCrayon

correct, but if you want to buy a ring tone, then why do some of them charge just for the service. And why cant I just upload one to my phone that I have made. The ringtone services are like a mechanic shop. I don't know enough to fix my own car, so i pay someone else to do it. I know how to put media on my phone, so why should I have to pay someone else to do it?

What kind of phone do you have, and why can't you put your own ringtones on it? I have never bought a ringtone from Sprint, I make my own, or find them browsing the web... and I transfer them to my phone, no problem. I really don't understand your complaint... you said you pay someone to fix your car because you can't do it yourself... well can you create your own Java games and apps? Back to the ringtones, they aren't free because someone had to make them and that artist has royalty rights... haven't you paid any attention to the whole online piracy debates that have been going on for so many years? Cell phone companies can't just steal the music they use to make ringtones, they have to pay someone for it, and they have to pass that cost on to the consumer.

Seriously, are you in high school yet? I took an Economics class in 9th grade that explained all this stuff, and I'm scratching my head over why it has taken multiple posts from different people to get the point across to you. Nothing is free if someone else had to work to produce it, and in the case of cell phone companies, they have to pay royalties to the owner of the song/game/(picture used to make a screensaver), etc... then they have to pay the people who edit the files to be suitable for your phone, then they have to pay the guys who go out and do maintenance and repair work on the cell phone towers so that you will be able to send and receive calls, text messages, ringtones, etc, and they also have to pay the people who operate phone banks so you can call and complain when you have a problem.

If you want something for free, you can take two empy tin cans, run a string between them, and there you go, it's free because you don't have to pay to operate and maintain a nationwide network consisting of thousands of cell towers and thousands of employees, nor do you have to pay for the expensive commercials to bring in new business so you can make sure those employees will have jobs tomorrow.

Now, does anyone have a comment on the ORIGINAL POST IN THIS THREAD BECAUSE EVERYTHING AFTER POST#2 IS COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC AND SHOULD PROBABLY BE MOVED TO A NEW THREAD.

[paulcman]

[quote=CrustyCrayon]

Originally Posted by Brad729

When I was talking about paying for a subscription to buy even more from them, I wasn't talking about the monthly service bill. I was talking about things like v-cast. You pay 15$ a month in order to go and buy music at a dollar a track. A dollar a track is fair, but not haveing to pay inorder to actually go and download it.

Actually, you don't need to have the $15.00 VCast VPak in order to download tracks form VCast Music. Also, you don't need to pay $1.99 per track if you download the music on your home computer for just $.99 per track. Without the VCast you just pay airtime for the time you are on VCast Music (or GIN, VZNavigator and other data applications).

As for ringtones, if you quit whining for a minute or two, and did a quick search of these forums and you would find out how to send ringtones to your phone and in most cases it is free. The only cost would be a Pix Message ($.25 if you don't currently have a messaging bundle).

[paulcman]

Originally Posted by Brad729

What kind of phone do you have, and why can't you put your own ringtones on it? I have never bought a ringtone from Sprint, I make my own, or find them browsing the web... and I transfer them to my phone, no problem. I really don't understand your complaint... you said you pay someone to fix your car because you can't do it yourself... well can you create your own Java games and apps? Back to the ringtones, they aren't free because someone had to make them and that artist has royalty rights... haven't you paid any attention to the whole online piracy debates that have been going on for so many years? Cell phone companies can't just steal the music they use to make ringtones, they have to pay someone for it, and they have to pass that cost on to the consumer.

Seriously, are you in high school yet? I took an Economics class in 9th grade that explained all this stuff, and I'm scratching my head over why it has taken multiple posts from different people to get the point across to you. Nothing is free if someone else had to work to produce it, and in the case of cell phone companies, they have to pay royalties to the owner of the song/game/(picture used to make a screensaver), etc... then they have to pay the people who edit the files to be suitable for your phone, then they have to pay the guys who go out and do maintenance and repair work on the cell phone towers so that you will be able to send and receive calls, text messages, ringtones, etc, and they also have to pay the people who operate phone banks so you can call and complain when you have a problem.

If you want something for free, you can take two empy tin cans, run a string between them, and there you go, it's free because you don't have to pay to operate and maintain a nationwide network consisting of thousands of cell towers and thousands of employees, nor do you have to pay for the expensive commercials to bring in new business so you can make sure those employees will have jobs tomorrow.

Now, does anyone have a comment on the ORIGINAL POST IN THIS THREAD BECAUSE EVERYTHING AFTER POST#2 IS COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC AND SHOULD PROBABLY BE MOVED TO A NEW THREAD.

Yep... it's true, Brad, you are my hero!

[CrustyCrayon]

What ever. I know about economics, and I know that cell phone companies are making a killing. They have the money to pay for the programers and the roalties ect. I don't care if you think I am whineing, because i'm not. I am voiceing my oppinion. I just think they could bring in more customers by not chargeing for an additional service, after your monthly fees, to go and buy more stuff from them. Your companies might not do that, but mine does. You don't need to reply, becasue im not using these forms anymore. The threads I put up, where never answered, or even responded to, so I'm out of here.

[Brad729]

Originally Posted by CrustyCrayon

You don't need to reply, becasue im not using these forms anymore. The threads I put up, where never answered, or even responded to, so I'm out of here.

The thread you put up was an EXTREMELY general question about the u740 ("anything I should know about this phone?!?") so my first advice is "be more specific!" but secondly, did you even try our site's SEARCH feature? I only found 40 threads talking about the u740, and reading a few of them probably could have told you everything you needed to know. I'm sorry you feel chastised but seriously, you came in and hijacked someone's thread with your own little rant, which tends to annoy the moderators, but then you even went so far as to keep it up after I thought things were clearly explained to you in terms you could understand. If you still don't understand the way our economy works, here is a link to wikipedia for Capitalism. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just trying to give you an honest and serious answer to why things are the way they are.