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  1. #1
    SMS
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    DTC wrote:

    > I just upgraded my Motorola 557 to the V3xx phone now. The sound quality
    > of listening to people appears to be not as good as I find myself asking
    > them to repeat what they are saying...something I hardly never had to do
    > with the 557.


    As far as RAZR's go, the V3xx is supposed to be an improvement over
    previous models in terms of voice quality. There have been complaints
    about the speakerphone, and about some tinnieness, in the reviews, but
    compared to earlier RAZRs, they are better.

    > Over the next few days I'll swap the SIM cards on the two new V3xx
    > phones and the 557 and call different people and see if there really is
    > a problem.


    The V557 has very good voice quality. The CNET review stated:

    "Audio quality was spotty at times, which is typical with the Cingular
    network in San Francisco. We had several dropped calls, as well as calls
    that went in and out. When working correctly, the handset itself has
    solid sound quality."

    "http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/motorola-v557/4505-6454_7-31313291.html"

    Are you comparing apples to apples here? Maybe you were using the V557
    in an area with better coverage than where you were using the V3xx. The
    AT&T/Cingular network in the San Francisco Bay Area is not all that
    great, as CNET noted.

    The deal killer for the V3xx, as CNET stated, is that it isn't a world
    phone. "It's disappointing that the phone is not fully quadband like the
    Razr V3. As such, it won't have as much coverage outside of the United
    States. It's a baffling change to say the least, and one that makes the
    phone significantly less consumer-friendly."

    "http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/motorola-razr-v3xx/4505-6454_7-31987377.html"

    LOL, can someone explain the difference between "not fully quadband" and
    simply "not quadband." Looks like the CNET writer needs to take some
    writing classes.



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  2. #2
    SMS
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    Re: Why the RAZR is killing Motorola

    Todd Allcock wrote:

    > I find that's true for most people. Don't take this the wrong way,
    > because I certainly respect your opinions, but you rarely recommend
    > anything but Verizon for postpaid, PagePlus for prepaid, and never
    > suggest a phone model without AMPS.


    Right, but I don't tell people to buy the specific phone model that I
    have. In fact I could tell them some negatives about my phone (V325),
    such as the external antenna jack being inside the battery compartment,
    and the lack of ability to use a Motorola Professional Hands Free Car
    Kit with the model I have.

    > You've obviously selected those products and services as "best" for you
    > and your family, so it's natural for you to think them as best for
    > others.


    Well personally I go by coverage in the areas where I spend the most
    time. However I understand that some people care more about other
    things, such as the ability to use the same phone model in much of
    Europe and much of Asia, something that I can't do except in Korea and a
    few other Asian and European countries with CDMA networks, and even in
    those European and Asian countries with both GSM and CDMA the GSM
    networks are often more developed because they've been around longer,
    the reverse of North America. On the other hand, even if I had Cingular,
    I'd likely not be doing international roaming, I'd get a prepaid SIM
    card. I can do that anyway, I just need a separate phone, rather than a
    quad-band GSM phone.

    I have often recommended T-Mobile prepaid as the lowest cost prepaid
    option, for those people that can live with T-Mobile coverage. I even
    got my mother on T-Mobile prepaid, after AT&T/Cingular jacked up her
    rates when they converted her from TDMA/AMPS over to GSM. This started a
    movement in South Florida, where all her friends did the same thing.
    They could almost do a Seinfeld episode about how the seniors change
    long distance and wireless companies so much, and usually these are
    people that don't have to watch every dollar. In this case, nearly
    everyone she knew was on AT&T, which was the predominant carrier in
    South Florida. They all had very low cost rate plans, sub-$30. When
    Cingular took over, and began "encouraging" people to change to GSM,
    those sweetheart plans went away, and suddenly they were paying $50 for
    what used to cost sub-$30. Now they're all paying 10 a minute on
    T-Mobile, and using OneSuite (which I also was responsible for) for long
    distance now that they now longer have unlimited off-peak on their cell
    phones. Verizon isn't that great in South Florida, where they are at
    1900 MHz, and PagePlus is too complicated to explain to people over a
    certain age (uh-oh).




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  3. #3
    DTC
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    Re: Why the RAZR is killing Motorola

    SMS wrote:
    > DTC wrote:
    >
    >> I just upgraded my Motorola 557 to the V3xx phone now. The sound
    >> quality of listening to people appears to be not as good as I find
    >> myself asking them to repeat what they are saying...something I hardly
    >> never had to do with the 557.


    > Are you comparing apples to apples here? Maybe you were using the V557
    > in an area with better coverage than where you were using the V3xx.


    Pretty much all the same areas about town. Had a call an hour ago and I
    simply could not understand what the guy was saying...even after having him
    repeat himself several times. He sounded very horse, as the other calls.



  4. #4
    Jackson
    Guest

    Re: Why the RAZR is killing Motorola


    "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > DTC wrote:
    >
    >> I just upgraded my Motorola 557 to the V3xx phone now. The sound quality
    >> of listening to people appears to be not as good as I find myself asking
    >> them to repeat what they are saying...something I hardly never had to do
    >> with the 557.


    Make sure you have removed the tiny piece of round plastic protective
    sheeting that covers the small round earpiece on the phone when shipped.


    >
    > As far as RAZR's go, the V3xx is supposed to be an improvement over
    > previous models in terms of voice quality. There have been complaints
    > about the speakerphone, and about some tinnieness, in the reviews, but
    > compared to earlier RAZRs, they are better.
    >
    >> Over the next few days I'll swap the SIM cards on the two new V3xx phones
    >> and the 557 and call different people and see if there really is a
    >> problem.

    >
    > The V557 has very good voice quality. The CNET review stated:
    >
    > "Audio quality was spotty at times, which is typical with the Cingular
    > network in San Francisco. We had several dropped calls, as well as calls
    > that went in and out. When working correctly, the handset itself has solid
    > sound quality."
    >
    > "http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/motorola-v557/4505-6454_7-31313291.html"
    >
    > Are you comparing apples to apples here? Maybe you were using the V557 in
    > an area with better coverage than where you were using the V3xx. The
    > AT&T/Cingular network in the San Francisco Bay Area is not all that great,
    > as CNET noted.
    >
    > The deal killer for the V3xx, as CNET stated, is that it isn't a world
    > phone. "It's disappointing that the phone is not fully quadband like the
    > Razr V3. As such, it won't have as much coverage outside of the United
    > States. It's a baffling change to say the least, and one that makes the
    > phone significantly less consumer-friendly."
    >
    > "http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/motorola-razr-v3xx/4505-6454_7-31987377.html"
    >
    > LOL, can someone explain the difference between "not fully quadband" and
    > simply "not quadband." Looks like the CNET writer needs to take some
    > writing classes.
    >
    >
    >
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  5. #5
    P.Schuman
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    Re: Why the RAZR is killing Motorola


    "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Todd Allcock wrote:

    FYI - I have the Virgin Mobile pre-paid - as it appears to be the cheapest
    with the only req of $20 every 90 days ....
    >
    > I have often recommended T-Mobile prepaid as the lowest cost prepaid
    > option, for those people that can live with T-Mobile coverage. I even
    > got my mother on T-Mobile prepaid, after AT&T/Cingular jacked up her
    > rates when they converted her from TDMA/AMPS over to GSM. This started a
    > movement in South Florida, where all her friends did the same thing.
    > They could almost do a Seinfeld episode about how the seniors change
    > long distance and wireless companies so much, and usually these are
    > people that don't have to watch every dollar. In this case, nearly
    > everyone she knew was on AT&T, which was the predominant carrier in
    > South Florida. They all had very low cost rate plans, sub-$30. When
    > Cingular took over, and began "encouraging" people to change to GSM,
    > those sweetheart plans went away, and suddenly they were paying $50 for
    > what used to cost sub-$30. Now they're all paying 10 a minute on
    > T-Mobile, and using OneSuite (which I also was responsible for) for long
    > distance now that they now longer have unlimited off-peak on their cell
    > phones. Verizon isn't that great in South Florida, where they are at
    > 1900 MHz, and PagePlus is too complicated to explain to people over a
    > certain age (uh-oh).
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  6. #6
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Why the RAZR is killing Motorola

    At 29 May 2007 21:14:23 -0500 P.Schuman wrote:

    > FYI - I have the Virgin Mobile pre-paid - as it appears to be the

    cheapest
    > with the only req of $20 every 90 days ....


    PagePlus (a Verizon reseller) is $10 every 90 days, and T-Mobile is $100
    for the first year, but only $10/year after the first.




  7. #7
    John Richards
    Guest

    Re: Why the RAZR is killing Motorola

    "P.Schuman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:%[email protected]
    >
    > FYI - I have the Virgin Mobile pre-paid - as it appears to be the cheapest
    > with the only req of $20 every 90 days ....


    The only drawback being that Virgin won't let you use an existing Sprint phone.
    When I switched from T-Mobile postpaid to T-Mobile prepaid, I had no
    trouble getting them to activate my RAZR at no charge.
    --
    John Richards






  8. #8
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Why the RAZR is killing Motorola

    P.Schuman wrote:
    > "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Todd Allcock wrote:

    > FYI - I have the Virgin Mobile pre-paid - as it appears to be the cheapest
    > with the only req of $20 every 90 days ....


    Actually it's very expensive compared to T-Mobile and PagePlus.



  9. #9
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Why the RAZR is killing Motorola

    On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:50:19 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >DTC wrote:
    >
    >> I just upgraded my Motorola 557 to the V3xx phone now. The sound quality
    >> of listening to people appears to be not as good as I find myself asking
    >> them to repeat what they are saying...something I hardly never had to do
    >> with the 557.

    >
    >As far as RAZR's go, the V3xx is supposed to be an improvement over
    >previous models in terms of voice quality. There have been complaints
    >about the speakerphone, and about some tinnieness, in the reviews, but
    >compared to earlier RAZRs, they are better.


    The V3xx (including sound and build quality) actually gets very good
    reviews, both from reviewers and from users, as I know myself from
    personal experience. You haven't actually used it, so you have no idea
    what you're talking about (as usual).

    >> Over the next few days I'll swap the SIM cards on the two new V3xx
    >> phones and the 557 and call different people and see if there really is
    >> a problem.

    >
    >The V557 has very good voice quality.


    Good, but not as good as the V3xx, either in terms of quality or in
    terms of volume.

    >Are you comparing apples to apples here? Maybe you were using the V557
    >in an area with better coverage than where you were using the V3xx. The
    >AT&T/Cingular network in the San Francisco Bay Area is not all that
    >great, ...


    It actually is good in the Bay Area, arguably the best of any carrier.

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    more) usable. Kindly stop.

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  10. #10
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Why the RAZR is killing Motorola

    On Thu, 17 May 2007 17:40:40 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Todd Allcock wrote:
    >
    >> I find that's true for most people. Don't take this the wrong way,
    >> because I certainly respect your opinions, but you rarely recommend
    >> anything but Verizon for postpaid, PagePlus for prepaid, and never
    >> suggest a phone model without AMPS.

    >
    >Right, but I don't tell people to buy the specific phone model that I
    >have. In fact I could tell them some negatives about my phone (V325),


    Now I understand why you have service problems.

    >[SNIP long, weak self-defense]


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  11. #11
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Why the RAZR is killing Motorola

    On Fri, 18 May 2007 11:48:35 -0400, "Jackson" <[email protected]_spam.z> wrote
    in <[email protected]>:

    >"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> DTC wrote:
    >>
    >>> I just upgraded my Motorola 557 to the V3xx phone now. The sound quality
    >>> of listening to people appears to be not as good as I find myself asking
    >>> them to repeat what they are saying...something I hardly never had to do
    >>> with the 557.

    >
    >Make sure you have removed the tiny piece of round plastic protective
    >sheeting that covers the small round earpiece on the phone when shipped.


    Yep! That seems to be a common mistake. On my V3xx it was blue.

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