Jobs SLAMS 3G - Wipes out its future!

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
[email protected]:

> Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> But you keep touting that dinosaur technology that you're in love
>> >> with. It cements that appearance of you being totally out of
touch
>> >> with the real world.
>> >
>> > But Chicago is a den of thieves, they have no respect in the modern
>> > tech world.
>>
>> What does that have to do with the post, you moron?
>
> It has ALL to do with Motorola still believes the most THIEVES live in
> the Chicago area. Which I think most people would agree. So MOT is
> playing to their primal nature.

Wow- what a prejudicial statement from someone touting to knwo it all.
So, in addition to being an idiot you also judge people stereotypically.
How juvenile- no surprise.

Of course, you tried to deflect the fact that your beloved wifi just
became woefully obsolete. You need to step it up a notch or forgo
replying.

>
> Please try and keep up Scott, you fail at every turn when trying to
> reply to me. So step it up a notch or forgo replying.
>
>> > WiMax will be open and free once it's fully implemented.
>>
>> Citation?
>
> The Future, that's all that needs to be cited...

Translation- there are no facts to back up your claim. Idiot troll.

>
>> > You don't
>> > want to encourage firms using it "for pay". That wouldn't make
sense.
>>
>> You using the word "sense" doesn't make sense.
>
> In a "perfect" world, all phone calls to anywhere in the world would
be
> ENTIRELY free. Can we at least agree on that?

No- in a "perfect" world. people would pay a fair and reasonable price
for the service and products they use and consume while being paid a
fair and reasonable wage for the work that they do. Your "perfect"
world has been attempted and it failed miserably.


>
> That makes PERFECT sense... correct?

No.

>
> But "since" you are "slow", something called the Web was created on a
> NeXT machine about 17 years ago, it ushered in a whole new era of
making
> things "free" wherever the "data" is.

Wrong- it created an era where the data was freely exchanged. However,
the definiton of "freely" means 'without hinderance' and not having
anything to do with cost.

There has always been a price affixed to the storage and transmission of
data in the real world. Data is just a commodity no different than oil,
electricity. water, milk or produce.

> A Phone call is JUST a DATA
> STREAM... it's not an "Analog Transition" anymore.

You're the only one talking about phone calls- there's that digruntled
ex-employee coming out in you again.

>
> So it should be FREE.

As free as heat, water and food should be.

>
> There is really no argument here. Just the "old school cell mafia"
> trying to prop up the dying Cell Companies and Apple trying to make
> things as cheap as possible so PEOPLE can call all around the world
for
> free.

Who's doing that? Me? I haven't mentioned anything to do with cellular
companies. Your paranoia is starting to show.

>
> Learn your Apple history Scott, it really sounds like you have no idea
> about what is about to happen. Apple CRUSHES obsolete industries, it's
> all they know how to do.

I know my Apple history. They had the largest market share in the
consumer computer market and got caught up in their own pomposity. Now
they are a second rate player in the market. Same with OS's. They
created the first commercially viable digital music player, but will
soon go the way of the Sony Walkman. It's all they know how to do.

Name an "obsolete industry" they have crushed.

>
> There is NO REASON to pay ATT, Verizon, TMobile, etc, etc a PENNY in
> this new age.
>

No reason except convenience, functionality, features, coverage and ease
of use

> And Apple is going to be the first to do it on a large scale.
>

Really? Then why are they aggressively exploring Wimax, which will
require them to put chips in their devices that will connect to a not-
free network?


Keep up, junior- you're looking like a simpleton again.
> -
>

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Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> > now a British firm has VoIP running on the iPhone, so just connect
> up to
> > a common WiFi signal and you get your calls for free worldwide...
>
> "The company says that today's event will be a live demonstration
> only and is not a commercial launch of Truphone on the iPhone..."

And...

> "Not yet intended for the public, the software currently relies on an
> installation of Terminal... Before either Terminal or the VoIP app
> can be installed, users must still run a jailbreaking tool such as
> iBrickr or iFuntastic."

Which is fully supported...

> > just like i've been saying... bye bye cell networks!
>
> "The company says it plans to eventually release a polished version
> of the software..."
>
> ...as soon as they're sure Apple won't make good on it's threat to
> brick hacked iPhones with the next firmware update! ;-)

And... it's only been 85 Days or so of the advent of the iPhone, so I'd
say we are on the right track. It took over 1.5 years for VisiCalc to
show up on the Apple ][, which wiped out IBM, and the 7 dwarfs:

Burroughs, Sperry Rand, Control Data, Honeywell, General Electric, RCA,
NCR

the same thing is going to happen to ALL Cell companies. Just watch!

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In news:[email protected],
Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
> Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> But you keep touting that dinosaur technology that you're in love
>>>> with. It cements that appearance of you being totally out of touch
>>>> with the real world.
>>>
>>> But Chicago is a den of thieves, they have no respect in the modern
>>> tech world.
>>
>> What does that have to do with the post, you moron?
>
> It has ALL to do with Motorola still believes the most THIEVES live in
> the Chicago area. Which I think most people would agree. So MOT is
> playing to their primal nature.
>
> Please try and keep up Scott, you fail at every turn when trying to
> reply to me. So step it up a notch or forgo replying.
>
>>> WiMax will be open and free once it's fully implemented.
>>
>> Citation?
>
> The Future, that's all that needs to be cited...
>
>>> You don't
>>> want to encourage firms using it "for pay". That wouldn't make sense.
>>
>> You using the word "sense" doesn't make sense.
>
> In a "perfect" world, all phone calls to anywhere in the world would be
> ENTIRELY free. Can we at least agree on that?
>
> That makes PERFECT sense... correct?
>
> But "since" you are "slow", something called the Web was created on a
> NeXT machine about 17 years ago, it ushered in a whole new era of making
> things "free" wherever the "data" is. A Phone call is JUST a DATA
> STREAM... it's not an "Analog Transition" anymore.
>
> So it should be FREE.
>
> There is really no argument here. Just the "old school cell mafia"
> trying to prop up the dying Cell Companies and Apple trying to make
> things as cheap as possible so PEOPLE can call all around the world for
> free.
>
> Learn your Apple history Scott, it really sounds like you have no idea
> about what is about to happen. Apple CRUSHES obsolete industries, it's
> all they know how to do.
>
> There is NO REASON to pay ATT, Verizon, TMobile, etc, etc a PENNY in
> this new age.
>
> And Apple is going to be the first to do it on a large scale.
>
> -

But you previously said:

"http://www.linspot.com/linspot.html
"sell your air"... what a concept..."

AND

"free is just when you are driving around town, but for a consistent,
month to month connection it's easy to charge until "free" becomes
ubiquitous.
do it now while you still can"

You can't have it both ways. lol

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"Reality" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Do you REALLY believe the horse**** you spew Oxford??
> Too much to go point by point - it's ALL fantasy. Delusional actually.
>
> It's becoming pathetic. Too loony to be written off as a fanboy anymore.
> Starting to get into mental health territory....

What is there to "believe"? I just see all this close up. And you don't
"yet"...

So who is wrong? Someone living in the past and doesn't want to face the
future like you? Or someone that seriously examines what is happening
and points the way?

My bet is on the later.

-

"IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote in news:vYBKi.306409$5y.246034
@newsfe18.lga:


> But you previously said:
>
> "http://www.linspot.com/linspot.html
> "sell your air"... what a concept..."
>
> AND
>
> "free is just when you are driving around town, but for a consistent,
> month to month connection it's easy to charge until "free" becomes
> ubiquitous.
> do it now while you still can"
>
> You can't have it both ways. lol
>
> -
>

That's the problem with someone who's making things up on the fly- they
forget the crap that has already spewed from their mouth.

>
>
>

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Learn your Apple history Scott, it really sounds like you have no idea
> about what is about to happen. Apple CRUSHES obsolete industries, it's
> all they know how to do.
>


Let's have a REAL brief history lesson, shall we?

They certainly didn't "crush" the personal computer industry.
Never have - NEVER will...

Just what market share does Apple have?? Here is the FACTS:
(Gartner 1/07, so the numbers may have changed a bit)

Hewlett-Packard’s market share totaled 17.4 percent
Dell remained in the No. 2 position with its market share total of 13.9 percent.

Apple's share remains relatively flat 3.7 percent

"CRUSH"....!??? Hardly - actually the exact opposite.
Apple isn't even in the top 5!!!

Apple hasn't "crushed" ****!

George <[email protected]> wrote:

> > No, you don't need prior permission. If a signal is "open", it's
> > completely free use. No wonder you get confused on this subject!
> >
> > You always want a base station to be "open" that way more people can
> > benefit from the 802.11 revolution!
>
> Right, you aren't even consistent with your own arguments. You just
> described how you charge people to use your Wi-Fi network because the
> "free Wi-Fi" that is everywhere isn't everywhere yet.

Yes, there is overlap... kinda like Newspapers. Remember when people
actually subscribed to them? But then also shared them with their
neighbors? Same thing here... but Wireless.

> > Elmo, you're an old man with old ideas, please die already.
>
> Nice thought. Adults defend themselves by being consistent and not
> making clueless assertions that can't be substantiated. Just because you
> are so enthusiastic that you want to have Steve Jobs baby doesn't give
> you a pass from making sense.

George, I know you like to live in the past, and there is NOTHING wrong
with that. But I like to show the way to how things will be in 10-20
years, not stare at my feet and say "today" will be like "tomorrow".

Apple has now entered into a VERY non-competitive market (cell phones)
so I have a obligation to let them known what is about to happen. I've
studied this phenomena for years and while I feel for the loss of jobs
the iPhone will create, I don't feel for the unproductive people that
are locked into an old phone system.

My 64 year old uncle worked for Bell Labs, his thesis was on packet
switching from Satellites in the late 50's... and he is in total awe of
the iPhone. He KNOWS it runs ATT Unix, he knows it's wireless throughout
his mansion, he knows about VoIP...... and just smiles...

People like Scott, Elmo don't have this background, I do... enough said.

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Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> George <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > No, you don't need prior permission. If a signal is "open", it's
>> > completely free use. No wonder you get confused on this subject!
>> >
>> > You always want a base station to be "open" that way more people
>> > can benefit from the 802.11 revolution!
>>
>> Right, you aren't even consistent with your own arguments. You just
>> described how you charge people to use your Wi-Fi network because the
>> "free Wi-Fi" that is everywhere isn't everywhere yet.
>
> Yes, there is overlap... kinda like Newspapers. Remember when people
> actually subscribed to them? But then also shared them with their
> neighbors? Same thing here... but Wireless.
>
>> > Elmo, you're an old man with old ideas, please die already.
>>
>> Nice thought. Adults defend themselves by being consistent and not
>> making clueless assertions that can't be substantiated. Just because
>> you are so enthusiastic that you want to have Steve Jobs baby doesn't
>> give you a pass from making sense.
>
> George, I know you like to live in the past, and there is NOTHING
> wrong with that. But I like to show the way to how things will be in
> 10-20 years, not stare at my feet and say "today" will be like
> "tomorrow".
>
> Apple has now entered into a VERY non-competitive market (cell phones)
> so I have a obligation to let them known what is about to happen. I've
> studied this phenomena for years and while I feel for the loss of jobs
> the iPhone will create, I don't feel for the unproductive people that
> are locked into an old phone system.
>
> My 64 year old uncle worked for Bell Labs, his thesis was on packet
> switching from Satellites in the late 50's... and he is in total awe
> of the iPhone. He KNOWS it runs ATT Unix, he knows it's wireless
> throughout his mansion, he knows about VoIP...... and just smiles...
>
> People like Scott, Elmo don't have this background, I do... enough
> said.
>
> --
>

Sorry, turdboy- you don't have a clue about my background. Mine is
based on real world applicaiton of everything being discussed here. I
don't "study" it as you so- I do it every day. The fact that you are
using Wikipedia as an authoritative source in your posts simply
demonstrates your inexperience in the field. You are simply a whiny
consumer withthe world's next greatest idea. Even the rest of the
Apples fanboys have deserted you in your land of make believe. So why
don't you go put your Transfomer jammies on and have Daddy read you some
more fairy tales.

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Reality" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Do you REALLY believe the horse**** you spew Oxford??
>> Too much to go point by point - it's ALL fantasy. Delusional actually.
>>
>> It's becoming pathetic. Too loony to be written off as a fanboy anymore.
>> Starting to get into mental health territory....
>
> What is there to "believe"? I just see all this close up. And you don't
> "yet"...
>
> So who is wrong? Someone living in the past and doesn't want to face the
> future like you? Or someone that seriously examines what is happening
> and points the way?
>
> My bet is on the later.
>
> -

A bet you will most certainly loose.

It's one thing "facing" up to something based on fact.
(Which NONE of your senseless blather is)

It's another making outrageous claims based on opinion and fanboy stupidity.
With (your) ZERO facts to back ANY of it up. Thin air....

"Close up"...?? You keep inferring you have some insider track?
Stock boy at an Apple store? Janitor? High school kid fanboy wanna be?
(which is what you act like BTW)

Trust me, I'm someone actually "close up" daily to telecom
You obviously don't have anywhere near an actual clue.

Scott <[email protected]> wrote:

> > In polite society of course, you are welcome to enter.
>
> And the law allows unfettered access to the inside? You are allowed to
> freely make use ofthe contents behind that open door?

The Law makes no provision, in "polite" society.

Maybe you live in a rough side of town, is that the cause of your
ignorance? I see that you still are trying to use Windows, so by default
you are poorly educated. Is there anything else we should know about
your knowledge of the future?

> > Do you ever
> > lock your door? I haven't in years.
>
> Why would you? Mommy and Daddy check it every night for you.

What? It's open right now and has been for about a year. Why would you
lock a door? Honestly? Are you afraid of monsters?

> > It's just not socially correct to
> > have barriers to communication. (unless you are a thief, and want to
> > "collect money for communication" as cell companies still try and do)
>
> You seem to be fixated on cell phone companies. I think I've figured it
> out- you're either the underpaid janitor at a cellular call center or a
> disgruntled ex-employee that got fired.

No, I'm just pointing out the next industry to fall in Apple's path.
They killed the mainframe, killed the traditional print industry, killed
CDs, now are focused on wiping out TV and Phones.

Is that wrong?

> > TOS violations mean NOTHING unless they are accepted by a Court that
> > will listen to them.
>
> the RIAA says hello.

The RIAA has no power over wireless transmissions. catch a clue.

> > Thus they are "worthless". Try and keep up with
> > the times Scott. It seems you are using legal fakery to scare people,
> > not use the "truth" like I do.
>
> It must be chemical imbalance- it's not possible that you were born so
> stupid.

I'm just very clear. And it hurts sometimes, sorry facts are getting in
your way.

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YkkSy-HLbs
> >
> > OUCH... your "thievery" based future has just been eliminated!
>
> Hardly.

Wait 2 years and call me back over VoIP. Then we'll talk...

> > 1's and 0's yearn to be free!
>
> And I yearn for you to get a clue.

Ah, so you admit you don't know about binary. Your world is still
punchcards and analog cell signals. Thanks. Note taken.

> > Apple is the new force in all cell communication... They will WIPE OUT
> > any "for pay" service in the years to come... it's their nature, learn
> > from them!
> >
> > They wipe out "old" technologies every time they enter.
>
> They've never entered a mrket witl old technology until the iPhone, you
> idiot.
>
> > They are a
> > CHANGE agent and the iPhone / iPod Touch are the killer products that
> > renders Cell Companies obsolete going forward.
>
> Now that was funny.

See you in 2-3 years with full VoIP on the iPhone... you can take a peek
into the future here:

(View the Demo - IF you are Brave)

http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/ichat.html

It's all coming in less than 30 days!

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"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> My 64 year old uncle worked for Bell Labs, his thesis was on packet
> switching from Satellites in the late 50's... and he is in total awe of
> the iPhone. He KNOWS it runs ATT Unix, he knows it's wireless throughout
> his mansion, he knows about VoIP...... and just smiles...
>
> People like Scott, Elmo don't have this background, I do... enough said.

Sitting at uncle's knee and listening to the tall tales now makes one an expert??

So..... exactly WHAT background DO you have? Put up - or shut up!!

There are a number of telecom insiders that frequent a.c.v. People that actually
KNOW what they are talking about. Do it daily for a living.

Oxford, you are engaging in a modern precision munitions battle - armed with
only a (small) pocket knife.

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > In polite society of course, you are welcome to enter.
>>
>> And the law allows unfettered access to the inside? You are allowed
>> to freely make use ofthe contents behind that open door?
>
> The Law makes no provision, in "polite" society.

The law most certainly does make a provision. You are obviously not
educated enough to know that.

>
> Maybe you live in a rough side of town,

Nope- living better than you, as a matter of fact.

> is that the cause of your
> ignorance?

Ignorance? Hardly- I live in the real world.

> I see that you still are trying to use Windows, so by
> default you are poorly educated.

And I see that you are trying to use your brain for something other than
an ear seperator. And in doing so, you are showing who poorly educated
poster is.


> Is there anything else we should know
> about your knowledge of the future?

Sure- I was programming before you were born. Today, companies pay
quite a nice price to get my opinion and input in the future of their
operations. I've seen more new technology in the last month than you've
ever been exposed to.

>
>> > Do you ever
>> > lock your door? I haven't in years.
>>
>> Why would you? Mommy and Daddy check it every night for you.
>
> What? It's open right now and has been for about a year. Why would you
> lock a door? Honestly? Are you afraid of monsters?

Oh, I get it- the box you live in doesn't have a flap.

>
>> > It's just not socially correct to
>> > have barriers to communication. (unless you are a thief, and want
>> > to "collect money for communication" as cell companies still try
>> > and do)
>>
>> You seem to be fixated on cell phone companies. I think I've figured
>> it out- you're either the underpaid janitor at a cellular call center
>> or a disgruntled ex-employee that got fired.
>
> No, I'm just pointing out the next industry to fall in Apple's path.
> They killed the mainframe,

No- Micorsoft killed the mainframe.

> killed the traditional print industry,

Um- no.

> killed CDs,

no- p2p killed CD's.

> now are focused on wiping out TV and Phones.

Oh boy- how exciting.

>
> Is that wrong?

No- you are worng, as usual.

>
>> > TOS violations mean NOTHING unless they are accepted by a Court
>> > that will listen to them.
>>
>> the RIAA says hello.
>
> The RIAA has no power over wireless transmissions. catch a clue.

But they have vbeen responsible for some of those terms, ewhich are
enforceable in a court of law. Do your research, junior.

>
>> > Thus they are "worthless". Try and keep up with
>> > the times Scott. It seems you are using legal fakery to scare
>> > people, not use the "truth" like I do.
>>
>> It must be chemical imbalance- it's not possible that you were born
>> so stupid.
>
> I'm just very clear. And it hurts sometimes, sorry facts are getting
> in your way.

What facts?

>
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YkkSy-HLbs
>> >
>> > OUCH... your "thievery" based future has just been eliminated!
>>
>> Hardly.
>
> Wait 2 years and call me back over VoIP. Then we'll talk...

VOIP is a dying industry.

>
>> > 1's and 0's yearn to be free!
>>
>> And I yearn for you to get a clue.
>
> Ah, so you admit you don't know about binary. Your world is still
> punchcards and analog cell signals. Thanks. Note taken.
>
>> > Apple is the new force in all cell communication... They will WIPE
>> > OUT any "for pay" service in the years to come... it's their
>> > nature, learn from them!
>> >
>> > They wipe out "old" technologies every time they enter.
>>
>> They've never entered a mrket witl old technology until the iPhone,
>> you idiot.
>>
>> > They are a
>> > CHANGE agent and the iPhone / iPod Touch are the killer products
>> > that renders Cell Companies obsolete going forward.
>>
>> Now that was funny.
>
> See you in 2-3 years with full VoIP on the iPhone... you can take a
> peek into the future here:
>
> (View the Demo - IF you are Brave)
>
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/ichat.html
>
> It's all coming in less than 30 days!
>
>

Not impressive at all. It must be your inferior education that makes
you think that it is the best thing ever.
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>

On 2007-09-26, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> My 64 year old uncle worked for Bell Labs, his thesis was on packet
> switching from Satellites in the late 50's... and he is in total awe of
> the iPhone. He KNOWS it runs ATT Unix, he knows it's wireless throughout
> his mansion, he knows about VoIP...... and just smiles...

Your uncle wrote a thesis on packet switching from satellites before
he was 17 years old, before there were satellites and before Baran and
Davies invented packet switched networks?!? Something doesn't sound quite
right about that.

Dennis Ferguson

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> No, I'm just pointing out the next industry to fall in Apple's path.
> They killed the mainframe, killed the traditional print industry, killed
> CDs, now are focused on wiping out TV and Phones.
>
Holy ****...!

You just dig the hole deeper and deeper...

Strike ONE.
Mainframe??? Maybe Moore's law and the advancement of microprocessor power
and PCs (NOT Apple) had something to do with it - and Apple didn't do squat.

Strike TWO
Traditional print industry - ever heard of the Internet? And no, Apple didn't invent it, nor
does this NeXT BS you spew play into this. Credit DARPA, T B-L, etc. The call stands....

Fly ball foul..
Killed CDs?? How do you figure this. Again, Internet and PtoP. Are you going to now
claim that PtoP is somehow Apple's credit also? Nope sorry - that won't fly...

STRIKE THREE!!!
And then there is this utter nonsense about TV and phones.
Apple TV?? Looks like kind of a flop so far to me.

Oxford the fanboy has STRUCK OUT (again)

"IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Apple is dominating the computer market for computers that run MAC OS.
> lol

so you are showing your ignorance again IMHO?

the actual history is Steve Jobs left Apple in 1985, then later that
year CEO Sculley signed over major portions of the User Interface of the
Mac to MS, the rest is history and millions have suffered ever since.

If Jobs had been around, Windows would have never materialized. Gates is
in total fear of Jobs and everyone knows that. Thankfully Jobs went on
to help create the world wide web, which is almost greater than the Mac,
but now that Apple is back in full control of the PC Industry it's hard
to say what will happen next.

Many Cell companies will die of course because of the mass popularity of
the iPhone, but what is next?

Everyone today uses the Mac OS in one form or another. Sure some still
use Windows, but everyone laughs at them for being so unproductive.

Macs are selling faster than any PC company running windows and this
will remain true until everyone is up to speed.