Jobs SLAMS 3G - Wipes out its future!

In news:8sEKi.9059$Nn4.7783@trnddc02,
Reality <[email protected]> typed:
> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Reality" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Let's have a REAL brief history lesson, shall we?
>>>
>>> They certainly didn't "crush" the personal computer industry.
>>> Never have - NEVER will...
>>
>> How could they "crush" what they created? Apple was the first mass
>> produced PC, first with a floppy drive, first with a Color monitor,
>> first withe a Case, first with a Keyboard, etc.
>>
>> Now they are by far the leading PC firm, so nothing has changed.
>>
>>> Just what market share does Apple have?? Here is the FACTS:
>>> (Gartner 1/07, so the numbers may have changed a bit)
>>>
>>> Hewlett-Packard’s market share totaled 17.4 percent
>>> Dell remained in the No. 2 position with its market share total of 13.9
>>> percent.
>>
>> Yes, but you are digging at the bottom of the barrel. Apple doesn't care
>> about "computers", or "dumb terminals" only "personal computers" which
>> it owns majority share.
>>
>>> Apple's share remains relatively flat 3.7 percent
>>
>> In the US it's 6.3% at last count and has been for the last few months.
>> 3.7% goes way back to 2004. Sounds like you have bad data. Oops!
>>
>> Apple is growing 3 times as fast as any other PC firm. Deal with it.
>>
>>> "CRUSH"....!??? Hardly - actually the exact opposite.
>>> Apple isn't even in the top 5!!!
>>>
>>> Apple hasn't "crushed" ****!
>>
>> Ah, but Apple "controls" the PC market. HP, DeLL, others can't make a
>> move until Apple shows them the way... and that's been true for the last
>> ten years.
>>
>> Sounds like Reality doesn't have a grasp on how the PC industry works.
>
> No, the figures are accurate - 3.7% - Q1 2007
>
> No matter how you deny and spin, it still doesn't change the ACTUAL facts.
>
> Your bull**** - is STILL bull****.
>
> Apple isn't even in THE TOP 5!!
>
> Not even a good try Oxford, a swing and a MISS!!
>
> Whiff!! Nothing but air...

Oxford has a few screws loose - and - the rest laying on the floor! lol

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Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
[email protected]:

> "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Apple is dominating the computer market for computers that run MAC OS.
>> lol
>
> so you are showing your ignorance again IMHO?
>
> the actual history is Steve Jobs left Apple in 1985, then later that
> year CEO Sculley signed over major portions of the User Interface of the
> Mac to MS, the rest is history and millions have suffered ever since.

Translation- they F**ked up and lost the market. Typical Apple behavior.

"Reality" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > No, I'm just pointing out the next industry to fall in Apple's path.
> > They killed the mainframe, killed the traditional print industry, killed
> > CDs, now are focused on wiping out TV and Phones.
> >
> Holy ****...!
>
> You just dig the hole deeper and deeper...
>
> Strike ONE.
> Mainframe??? Maybe Moore's law and the advancement of microprocessor power
> and PCs (NOT Apple) had something to do with it - and Apple didn't do squat.

Ah, Apple created the entire industry of PC's... they killed the
mainframe from popular nomenclature. Sure, Mainframes are still around
doing boring transactional processing, but Apple produces more
processing power by lunchtime than IBM does in a week.

> Strike TWO
> Traditional print industry - ever heard of the Internet? And no, Apple didn't
> invent it, nor
> does this NeXT BS you spew play into this. Credit DARPA, T B-L, etc. The call
> stands....

Yes, and during this time, Printers claimed the Internet / Web is a
"fad"... Think about it. Apple / SJ created the foundation of the Web
which knocked out many a printer, and the LaserWriter a decade before
wiped out many more. Sure, DARPA had helped, but only Apple and SJ's
vision brought it to that masses... nobody else could have pulled that
off.

> Fly ball foul..
> Killed CDs?? How do you figure this. Again, Internet and PtoP. Are you going
> to now
> claim that PtoP is somehow Apple's credit also? Nope sorry - that won't
> fly...

Go look at Tower Records, Go look at ANY CD Store... they are EMPTY all
because of Napster and the iPod. Yes, P2P is one of the deep roots of
this change, BitTorrent was created by a Mac guy, now look at it!

The whole P2P trend was created when Apple was still weak, but Apple was
the one that made MP3 players and managing large libraries useful
through iTunes. Everyone else simply sang their song.

> STRIKE THREE!!!
> And then there is this utter nonsense about TV and phones.
> Apple TV?? Looks like kind of a flop so far to me.

The AppleTV is wonderful, a modern revolution in how to watch streamed
content. You don't have one - so are jealous. But someday you will! So
hang on tight!

> Oxford the fanboy has STRUCK OUT (again)

What? I've never been a fanboy. I'm just an honest scribe of the history
of computing.

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"Reality" <[email protected]> wrote:

> No, the figures are accurate - 3.7% - Q1 2007

The firm said Apple shipped 960,000 units within the U.S. during the
three-month period, good enough for a 5.6 percent share of the overall
U.S. PC market and fourth place on its list of top vendors.

and this was in Q2 -

learn how to check facts next time Reality.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...c_market_share
_rises_to_5_6_percent_in_q2.html

"Screw the i(diot)Phone" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Explain how all that "free" access is going to be accomplished without
> someone paying for the infrastructure and backhauling, Oxtard. Did
> your mammy have any children that LIVED, you pig****er?

if everyone simply turns on a $20 wireless router, then pay their normal
$30 fee for broadband, we could wipe out entire industries!

that is the goal, it's just people like you are too stupid to understand
where all this is headed... OR have a connection to prop up the LIES to
make people pay more than they should.

i see through the inefficiency, you don't. it's that simple.

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > It has ALL to do with Motorola still believes the most THIEVES live
>> > in the Chicago area. Which I think most people would agree. So MOT
>> > is playing to their primal nature.
>>
>> Wow- what a prejudicial statement from someone touting to knwo it
>> all. So, in addition to being an idiot you also judge people
>> stereotypically. How juvenile- no surprise.
>
> I didn't "pre-judge" Chicago,

Sure you did.

> I've been there many times and know it
> for a fact it is the Bagdad of the States.

Hardly, bigot.

> It's a war zone of
> criminals,

Some of the people I know with much more integrity than you come from
Chicago.

> "no wonder" MOT went there to prop up the thieves. You
> never see Apple there... wonder why?

No.

> Do they honor honesty? Yep!
> That's the reason.

A patently untrue statement if they all lie as you do.

>
>> Of course, you tried to deflect the fact that your beloved wifi just
>> became woefully obsolete. You need to step it up a notch or forgo
>> replying.
>
> Where? WiFi is growing much faster than obsolete cell towers, nobody
> disputes that.
>
>> >> > WiMax will be open and free once it's fully implemented.
>> >>
>> >> Citation?
>> >
>> > The Future, that's all that needs to be cited...
>>
>> Translation- there are no facts to back up your claim. Idiot troll.
>
> Talk to me in 2-3 years. I'm a skilled forecaster, you aren't.

Actually, I am. My documented record shows many citations fo foresight
that have come true. I'm not a poorly educated guesser like you. You
are hardly skilled- you base all of your "forecasting" on emotion and
ignore the facts.

>
>> > In a "perfect" world, all phone calls to anywhere in the world
>> > would
>> be
>> > ENTIRELY free. Can we at least agree on that?
>>
>> No- in a "perfect" world. people would pay a fair and reasonable
>> price for the service and products they use and consume while being
>> paid a fair and reasonable wage for the work that they do. Your
>> "perfect" world has been attempted and it failed miserably.
>
> It wouldn't be "perfect" if you still had to pay... Think Scott,
> Think!
>
> You are saying we should pay several "middlemen" for a stream of
> already paid bits. Sorry... but that's the problem...
>
> If I have an earthlink connection for $30, that's ALL I should pay for
> TV, Cell, Phone, Slingbox, etc. NOBODY else should collect from this
> "stream".
>
> Currently "criminals" like Cell companies try and double dip, just
> like what goes on in Chicago. And it's not going to last once EVERYONE
> knows the problem.
>
> Go ahead and prop up your mafia, but rest assured Apple will kill you
> off since they have morals against paying more than what is needed.
>
>> > But "since" you are "slow", something called the Web was created on
>> > a NeXT machine about 17 years ago, it ushered in a whole new era of
>> making
>> > things "free" wherever the "data" is.
>>
>> Wrong- it created an era where the data was freely exchanged.
>> However, the definiton of "freely" means 'without hinderance' and not
>> having anything to do with cost.
>
> And I FULLY understand "1" data provider should get some money. But
> why do Cable companies, Cell companies, Phone companies try and
> "triple dip" in this case? Why Scott? Why? None of them provide any
> extra services except 1's and 0's. So why are there 2-4 companies all
> trying to "collect", when only ONE company should provide the bits. Or
> FREE if you want to share in the perfect Apple world of a "communal
> life".
>

Kum-Bay-Yah, my Lord, Kum-Bay-Yah.

>> There has always been a price affixed to the storage and transmission
>> of data in the real world. Data is just a commodity no different
>> than oil, electricity. water, milk or produce.
>
> Yes, and I AGREE, but why are all of them charging for the same
> stream? I just want fairness and 2-3 of these companies to go out of
> business because they are dishonest / inefficient in the new world
> that Apple has created.
>
>> > A Phone call is JUST a DATA
>> > STREAM... it's not an "Analog Transition" anymore.
>>
>> You're the only one talking about phone calls- there's that
>> digruntled ex-employee coming out in you again.
>
> What? I work for no company. I work for the people, and you are angry
> about it for some reason...

I'd like to teach the world to sing....

>
>> > So it should be FREE.
>>
>> As free as heat, water and food should be.
>
> Yes, there should be "contributions", but not triple dipping...
>
>> > Learn your Apple history Scott, it really sounds like you have no
>> > idea about what is about to happen. Apple CRUSHES obsolete
>> > industries, it's all they know how to do.
>>
>> I know my Apple history. They had the largest market share in the
>> consumer computer market and got caught up in their own pomposity.
>> Now they are a second rate player in the market. Same with OS's.
>> They created the first commercially viable digital music player, but
>> will soon go the way of the Sony Walkman. It's all they know how to
>> do.
>
> Ah, you clearly don't know your history. Apple remains the primary
> Computer vendor for intelligent people. It remains the primary music
> vendor for the "masses". It now controls the upper end of all Cell
> Phones. What next? is the only question.
>
>> Name an "obsolete industry" they have crushed.
>
> Mainframes. They died because of the Apple ][ and visicalc.

Umm- no.

> Apple's
> LaserWriter killed off 10,000+ printers,


And yet more non-Apple printers are sold then Apple printers.


> the iPod killed off many
> stereo manufacturers,

Name one.

> and now the iPhone is wiping out MOT, Nokia,
> Rimm, etc.

Really? My stock portfolio would say otherwise.

>
>> > There is NO REASON to pay ATT, Verizon, TMobile, etc, etc a PENNY
>> > in this new age.
>>
>> No reason except convenience, functionality, features, coverage and
>> ease of use
>
> Coverage is only short term, Apple already blows away all the others
> in terms of functionality, features. The iPhone is a modern marvel,
> it's the Boeing 727 of Airplanes.

That's a true statement- a 30 year old product that lacks many of the
comfort features and efficiencies of modernday airliners.

>
>> > And Apple is going to be the first to do it on a large scale.
>>
>> Really? Then why are they aggressively exploring Wimax, which will
>> require them to put chips in their devices that will connect to a
>> not- free network?
>
> What? WiMax is still years off,

Wimax is already deployed.

> WiFi works great for now in 90% of
> your daily life.

No it doesn't- I need more than the flinstone technology can offer.

> Sure, when you are outside of a normal population,
> WiMax would be nice, but it's not needed when you can drive a mile or
> so and connect right up for free.

Sorry- my time is worth too much to drive around to find a pipe. I'll
gladly pay an hour's salary for the convenience of not having to go on a
snark hunt.

>
> -
>

In article <[email protected]>,
"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:

> You can read all about it here.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1997/web...ss/miss07.html

If you were losing $7000 a year, would a one one time payment of $1500
really help you that much?

>
>
> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> They crushed alright. Let's not forget they almost folded.
> >> If it were not for the Microsoft bail out, they would have.
> >
> > When did that happen? Sure, Apple went through some rough times in the
> > mid 90's just like Microsoft and Dell are now experiencing. But they
> > never were in danger of "folding". They remained super rich even during
> > the dark times... with $1.1 billion in pure cash and very little debt.
> >
> > Yes, Apple was in danger of becoming "smaller"... and they did drop from
> > about $11 Billion to $6 Billion in revenue, but they had strong support
> > in publishing, video, education, consumer and small business, so they
> > became smaller, but never even close to "folding". That was a PC myth.
> >
> > Now Apple is the strongest PC vendor in the world, my, my how 10 years
> > can change things.

--
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Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

"Reality" <[email protected]> wrote in
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>
> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:colalovesmacs-7084E9.17274026092007@mpls-nnrp-
06.inet.qwest.net...
>>
>> And... it's only been 85 Days or so of the advent of the iPhone, so
>> I'd say we are on the right track. It took over 1.5 years for
>> VisiCalc to show up on the Apple ][, which wiped out IBM, and the 7
>> dwarfs:
>>
>> Burroughs, Sperry Rand, Control Data, Honeywell, General Electric,
>> RCA, NCR
>>
>> the same thing is going to happen to ALL Cell companies. Just watch!
>>
>> -
>
> Talking about "Just watch!"........
>
> When the iPhone first hit store shelves, Apple was on top of the
> world. But just a few months later, things have quickly changed. Mac
> sales are OK, but the iPhone has become the topic of heated debate,
> Apple has come under fire for dropping the iPhone price too early and
> too much, and its iTunes Store is under attack from the content side
> and new, formidable competitors.
>
> Could it be that Apple has lost its touch? Will the Mac faithful
> finally lose confidence in the company it feels so strongly about?
> Even worse, will Apple's two cash cows - the iPhone and iTunes - meet
> an early demise? It could certainly happen.
>
> iPhone
>
> People rushed to stores to get their hands on the iPhone. But it
> needed quite a bit of additional functionality. For that reason, users
> began to hack it and make it do the things they actually wanted. There
> is certainly no crime in hacking an iPhone. And while Apple did not
> specifically threaten those people who hacked their iPhones, it did
> warn those who unlocked their iPhones and said that a future software
> update will render an unlocked iPhone useless.
>
> If Apple decides to release a software update that will "brick" the
> iPhone, Apple should be ready for an extremely hostile user base and a
> backlash that will affect every device it produces. Some are naive
> enough (OXFORD) to think that Apple can do no wrong and its cult
> following will stick with it through thick and thin, but if Apple
> decides to brick iPhones, NO ONE will be its friend.
>
> Some will claim Apple was forced to do it by AT&T, but that's BS. If
> Apple releases a software update that will brick iPhones, it has
> nothing to do with AT&T and everything to do with making as much money
> as possible through VERY highly questionable business practices.
>
> No one really knows if Apple will brick iPhones, but if it does, the
> PR crisis will far outweigh the price drop debacle. If Apple wants to
> play hardball, it should realize that if it does, Apple will surely
> face the wrath of a hostile public that doesn't give a crap about the
> contract with AT&T. This public, including those people Apple relies
> on to buy anything Apple, will not stand by and take it.
>
> A bricked iPhone would start a big battle Apple doesn't want to fight.
> Current and future iPhone owners will remember what Apple did
> when it finally releases iPhone 2.0 - if there even will be one after
> this possible debacle. They will stay away in droves.
>
> iTunes
>
> Amazon has officially released its music download service. It's as
> simple to use as iTunes. Even better, it allows you to download
> software that will take the MP3 and import it directly into your
> iTunes library. And, even better, some (but not all) songs are just 89
> cents, instead of the 99 cents or $1.29 everyone pays on iTunes.
>
> And the songs are DRM-free. Unlike iTunes, you can do WHAT you
> want with the songs you buy, WHEN you want.
>
> This service will give Apple a run for its money. Just the ability to
> add songs to iTunes is enough for anyone to use it and some songs that
> you can't find on iTunes can be found on the Amazon service.
>
> iTunes is in deep trouble. The Amazon service will let people OWN
> their music, and that's extremely important.
>
> Amazon has almost 1 million DRM-free songs are 10 cents cheaper
> than a song with DRM from iTunes and 40 cents cheaper than a DRM
> free song from iTunes. Does the music industry dislike Steve Jobs and
> Apple more than we thought? Why was Amazon able to get that kind of
> deal, but Steve couldn't?
>
> Maybe the music industry sees the future here.
>
> In just a few short months, an Apple fairy tale could quickly become a
> nightmare. The iPhone, Apple's ticket to the future, is in danger of
> being hated, and iTunes, the key to the iPod fortune, is facing a
> stiff competitor with enough traffic and money in the bank to give it
> a REAL thrashing in the marketplace.
>
> Could it be that the golden years of Apple are behind us and the dark
> days are coming on strong?
>
> Time will certainly tell.
>
>
>

Great freakin' post.

In news:[email protected],
Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
> "Reality" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> No, the figures are accurate - 3.7% - Q1 2007
>
> The firm said Apple shipped 960,000 units within the U.S. during the
> three-month period, good enough for a 5.6 percent share of the overall
> U.S. PC market and fourth place on its list of top vendors.
>
> and this was in Q2 -
>
> learn how to check facts next time Reality.
>
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...c_market_share
> _rises_to_5_6_percent_in_q2.html

From your qoed article:
"Apple did not rank amongst IDC's top worldwide PC vendors"
lol

In article
<[email protected]>,
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Just make sure you're not stealing it, or using a signal without the
> > owner's PRIOR permission, because that will send you to jail.
>
> Elmo, always the funny comedian!
>
> No, you don't need prior permission. If a signal is "open", it's
> completely free use. No wonder you get confused on this subject!

You've never lived in England, have you?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6958429.stm

They take it very seriously over there. Even if the owner says
afterward that he doesn't mind, that doesn't change things. You will
still go to jail.

So, Oxford, I have a deal for you: if you can't refute this, then never
post to the Usenet again under any name whatsoever.


> Elmo, you're an old man with old ideas, please die already.

I see I'm getting under your skin. Good.

>>>>> "reality" == reality <[email protected]> writes:

reality> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
reality> news:[email protected]...
>> No, I'm just pointing out the next industry to fall in Apple's
>> path. They killed the mainframe, killed the traditional print
>> industry, killed CDs, now are focused on wiping out TV and
>> Phones.
>>
reality> Holy ****...!

reality> You just dig the hole deeper and deeper...

<cut>

Did it occur to you guys responding to "Oxford" that he's a troll and
enjoys writing his BS and watching your responses to it?
--
Arguing with someone on the Internet is like running in the Special
Olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded.

At 26 Sep 2007 15:54:40 -0600 Oxford wrote:

> WiMax will be open and free once it's fully implemented. You don't
want
> to encourage firms using it "for pay". That wouldn't make sense.


No, Sprint and Clearwire shouldn't need to recoup the billions of
dollars they're spending to build it out. I suspect that they're
building the WiMax network from scratch because of a deep sense of
public good.

WiMax isn't a ragtag assortment of $30 routers connected to various
ISPs. It's far more closely related to cellular (*gasp*) than it is
to WiFi.

> Sorry Scott, you are again lost on the "whole goal" of free wireless.


Then explain to us how a "free" WiMax network can be built, given the
immense cost to deploy?

Could a Google (or even an Apple) do it? Probably, but why? What's
in it for them that would allow the recouping of deployment costs?



--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

At 26 Sep 2007 17:40:52 -0600 Oxford wrote:

> My 64 year old uncle... ...is in total awe of
> the iPhone. He KNOWS it runs ATT Unix, he knows it's wireless
throughout
> his mansion, he knows about VoIP...... and just smiles...

I suspect a lot of people "just smile" when you open your mouth.
That same smile you give the grocery bagger with Down's Syndrome at
the local supermarket...


--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

At 26 Sep 2007 20:17:23 -0600 Oxford wrote:

> damn, you're going to be really pissed when the iPhone nano is
released.


I will if it takes them three generations to get it right like it did
with the iPod Nano. (Any good reason gens 1&2 couldn't play videos
like EVERY cheap Chinese knockoff that sold for 1/2 the price? Any
good reason, that is, OTHER THAN "so as to not cannibalise sales from
the higher priced iPod Video?")



--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

"Reality" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Ness_net" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> So..... exactly WHAT background DO you have? Put up - or shut up!!
>>
>
> I concur..... Let's hear it, shall we.
>
> Ditto on the "put up or shut up"...
> Talk is cheap and so far, you ain't even made it to chump change...
>


The silence speaks VOLUMES, doesn't it??

Oxford is 100% BS, 0% substance