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- 10-17-2007, 02:06 PM #1Joel KoltnerGuest
"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
> year. this is good news for everyone!
Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly. Many people just don't use
any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place -- probably at
least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
the box" and price.
But I agree it's good news that Apple's opening up the iPhone to proper
development.
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- 10-17-2007, 03:10 PM #2RickGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:56:41 -0600, Oxford wrote:
> "John" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://www.apple.com/hotnews/
>
> yep! it was only a matter of time before apple played its heavy hand...
>
> expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
> year.
AHAH HA hHHA HHAh AHhah hha hHA hHAHhah ahha ha hHA ah ha...
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- 10-17-2007, 04:24 PM #3KurtGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
In article <[email protected]>,
"Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
> > year. this is good news for everyone!
>
> Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly. Many people just don't use
> any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place -- probably at
> least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
> the box" and price.
The reason most people don't use phones with 3rd party apps is because
they didn't come installed in them.
And then they'd need to pay extra for any of the good (i.e. stable)
programs and have to go through a download and installation process.
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- 10-17-2007, 04:48 PM #4Ness NetGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
> year. this is good news for everyone!
>
> -
>
As always, you just don't get it....
Example:
Blackberry = business tool
iPhone = cool toy - NOT a business tool (unless radically changed in the
future)
Bottom line, your prediction based on today's facts is stupid.
As usual.
- 10-17-2007, 05:48 PM #5OxfordGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
"Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
> > year. this is good news for everyone!
>
> Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly.
well, we all know that is going to happen within 24 months, an iPhone
nano for $199 is in the works, a $99 iPhone within 36 months. Apple
ALWAYS starts at the top and works its way down the price scale. So it's
only a question "of when" Apple sweeps out the lower handset makers.
> Many people just don't use
> any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place --
ah... WHAT? I think you must be using Windows. In the Apple world,
people use whatever they want since it's so EASY to try new software.
In the Windows world everyone has been "conditioned" to not try new
software, but nothing like that exists in the Apple space since there
are no penalties for using new software. The iPhone is the PERFECT
device to try new software without any risk. Plus it's FAR easier to
install / remove software on Macs / iPhones...
So I just had to LAUGH at that since that's a pure Windows issue, not an
Apple or iPhone one.
> probably at
> least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
> the box" and price.
But Apple will change all that... basically, the cell industry plays
under Apple's rule from this point forward. Everyone wants an iPhone
since it's more feature packed and far easier to use than any other cell
phone... we all know that. So once Apple moves the iPhone down the price
scale, it will remove "most" handset makers out of the market.
> But I agree it's good news that Apple's opening up the iPhone to proper
> development.
Yes, it's going to be a massive wave of innovation never before seen by
the cell industry. Never has such a large computer firm entered the cell
space, and since the cell industry is very uncompetitive, Apple will
wipe out much of what exists today... so it's going to fun to watch them
fall.
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- 10-17-2007, 06:11 PM #6David EmpsonGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
Joel Koltner <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
> > year. this is good news for everyone!
>
> Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly. Many people just don't use
> any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place -- probably at
> least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
> the box" and price.
It also applies to the iPod Touch.
For anyone wanting an advanced highly portable computer, but doesn't
need the additional features of the iPhone (or the long term contract)
this makes the iPod Touch even more interesting.
The PDA market isn't as large as the cellphone market, but the iPod
Touch, iPhone or a future slightly larger model with full PDA
functionality and third party application support will be very
competitive with other brands and platforms, and could easily take over
that market.
> But I agree it's good news that Apple's opening up the iPhone to proper
> development.
This has removed one of my main reasons for not considering an iPod
Touch or an iPhone as a potential replacement for my dying Palm Treo
600. I do use third party software on my Treo and would like to be able
to do so on a replacement device.
I don't want to go to Windows Mobile because it doesn't work well with
the Mac.
Palm has dropped the ball on PalmOS, and a device based on OS X is far
more appealing to me as a Mac user.
I want a device which has full iPod, PDA and cellphone functionality.
If I can't get all three, I'm willing to sacrifice the phone (use a
cheap cellphone instead) but keep portable music and PDA functions on
one device.
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- 10-17-2007, 06:46 PM #7OxfordGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
"Ness Net" <[email protected]> wrote:
> As always, you just don't get it....
>
> Example:
> Blackberry = business tool
> iPhone = cool toy - NOT a business tool (unless radically changed in the
> future)
it was radically changed about 8 hours ago. didn't you get the memo?
no, blackberry doesn't stand a chance since by unit sales alone they
will be miniscule by this time next year. all business software
developers will FLOCK to the iPhone since they know that is the future
of all smart phones. RIMM doesn't stand a chance against apple at this
point in the game.
> Bottom line, your prediction based on today's facts is stupid.
What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
them.
- 10-17-2007, 07:15 PM #8Ness_netGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> no, blackberry doesn't stand a chance since by unit sales alone they
> will be miniscule by this time next year. all business software
> developers will FLOCK to the iPhone since they know that is the future
> of all smart phones. RIMM doesn't stand a chance against apple at this
> point in the game.
>
Just the above statement proves you don't have even a fraction of an actual clue.
Everything runs as root on an iPhone, which will keep 95% plus percent
of the (smart anyway) IT depts away - and most do and will BAN the pretty (but flawed) toy.
They won't give a **** if 3rd party apps are loaded. The DEVICE is flawed.
You can go on and on and on like you do - you have less than ZERO credibility at this point.
Every post continues to proves it - again and again.
Like this one... Just another fantasy based wish from a deluded, fanatic fanboy.
- 10-17-2007, 07:53 PM #9IMHO IIRCGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
In news:[email protected],
Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
> "Ness Net" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> As always, you just don't get it....
>>
>> Example:
>> Blackberry = business tool
>> iPhone = cool toy - NOT a business tool (unless radically changed in the
>> future)
>
> it was radically changed about 8 hours ago. didn't you get the memo?
>
> no, blackberry doesn't stand a chance since by unit sales alone they
> will be miniscule by this time next year. all business software
> developers will FLOCK to the iPhone since they know that is the future
> of all smart phones. RIMM doesn't stand a chance against apple at this
> point in the game.
>
>> Bottom line, your prediction based on today's facts is stupid.
>
> What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
> is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
> I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
> them.
Which is most likely within 4.5 years:
1. All cell phone users will have iPhones with ATT plans.
2. There be about the same ratio of iPhone users with ATT cell plans to
other cell phone users as there are currently users of Apple computers to
users of non-Apple computers.
I would think number 2.
- 10-17-2007, 08:14 PM #10OxfordGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
"IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
> > is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
> > I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
> > them.
>
> Which is most likely within 4.5 years:
>
> 1. All cell phone users will have iPhones with ATT plans.
>
> 2. There be about the same ratio of iPhone users with ATT cell plans to
> other cell phone users as there are currently users of Apple computers to
> users of non-Apple computers.
>
> I would think number 2.
but those aren't the only 2 choices.
3) the iPhone is on all of the top 5 carriers within 2 years.
4) Apple and Google team up and buy their own part of the wireless
spectrum and do an end run around all cell carriers.
5) and many more...
most likely is No. 3 of course.... if those companies can modernize
enough to support Visual Voice Mail and very high bandwidth devices.
- 10-17-2007, 08:25 PM #11IMHO IIRCGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
In news:[email protected],
Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
> "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
>>> is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
>>> I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
>>> them.
>>
>> Which is most likely within 4.5 years:
>>
>> 1. All cell phone users will have iPhones with ATT plans.
>>
>> 2. There be about the same ratio of iPhone users with ATT cell plans to
>> other cell phone users as there are currently users of Apple computers to
>> users of non-Apple computers.
>>
>> I would think number 2.
>
> but those aren't the only 2 choices.
>
> 3) the iPhone is on all of the top 5 carriers within 2 years.
>
> 4) Apple and Google team up and buy their own part of the wireless
> spectrum and do an end run around all cell carriers.
>
> 5) and many more...
>
> most likely is No. 3 of course.... if those companies can modernize
> enough to support Visual Voice Mail and very high bandwidth devices.
Why do you need high bandwidth? I thought everything was done with WiFi.
How long does ATT have an exclusive on the iPhone in the US? I thought it
was 5 years.
Also the iPhone is only GSM - is Apple also designing one that is CDMA?
- 10-17-2007, 08:34 PM #12Kevin WeaverGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
And tell us why Google would need apple ?
Goggle has more money then apple.
"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
>> > is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
>> > I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
>> > them.
>>
>> Which is most likely within 4.5 years:
>>
>> 1. All cell phone users will have iPhones with ATT plans.
>>
>> 2. There be about the same ratio of iPhone users with ATT cell plans to
>> other cell phone users as there are currently users of Apple computers to
>> users of non-Apple computers.
>>
>> I would think number 2.
>
> but those aren't the only 2 choices.
>
> 3) the iPhone is on all of the top 5 carriers within 2 years.
>
> 4) Apple and Google team up and buy their own part of the wireless
> spectrum and do an end run around all cell carriers.
>
> 5) and many more...
>
> most likely is No. 3 of course.... if those companies can modernize
> enough to support Visual Voice Mail and very high bandwidth devices.
- 10-17-2007, 08:38 PM #13Kevin WeaverGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
"IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In news:[email protected],
> Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
>> "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
>>>> is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
>>>> I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> Which is most likely within 4.5 years:
>>>
>>> 1. All cell phone users will have iPhones with ATT plans.
>>>
>>> 2. There be about the same ratio of iPhone users with ATT cell plans to
>>> other cell phone users as there are currently users of Apple computers
>>> to
>>> users of non-Apple computers.
>>>
>>> I would think number 2.
>>
>> but those aren't the only 2 choices.
>>
>> 3) the iPhone is on all of the top 5 carriers within 2 years.
>>
>> 4) Apple and Google team up and buy their own part of the wireless
>> spectrum and do an end run around all cell carriers.
>>
>> 5) and many more...
>>
>> most likely is No. 3 of course.... if those companies can modernize
>> enough to support Visual Voice Mail and very high bandwidth devices.
>
> Why do you need high bandwidth? I thought everything was done with WiFi.
> How long does ATT have an exclusive on the iPhone in the US? I thought it
> was 5 years.
> Also the iPhone is only GSM - is Apple also designing one that is CDMA?
>
They did. But Verizon being 1st in line for the iphone, shot the iphone
down. Then they got AT&T
- 10-17-2007, 08:49 PM #14OxfordGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
> And tell us why Google would need apple ?
> Goggle has more money then apple.
Because Apple and Google are partners in crime. Eric Schmidt sits on
Apple's Board of Directors so whatever Apple says, Google does.
and no, Google has about 1/2 the cash of Apple.
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- 10-17-2007, 09:02 PM #15OxfordGuest
Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone
"IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 3) the iPhone is on all of the top 5 carriers within 2 years.
> >
> > 4) Apple and Google team up and buy their own part of the wireless
> > spectrum and do an end run around all cell carriers.
> >
> > 5) and many more...
> >
> > most likely is No. 3 of course.... if those companies can modernize
> > enough to support Visual Voice Mail and very high bandwidth devices.
>
> Why do you need high bandwidth? I thought everything was done with WiFi.
80% of it is, but even AT&T choked when all the iPhones first came
online. The data infrastructure of cell firms is way behind firms like
Apple. They hide behind slow 2.5 / 3G networks currently, but once they
get a taste of unlimited 802.11g they are going to falter unless they
plan for the future. They are geared for tiny sized voice transmissions,
not huge data loads that come with all the wonderful features of the
iPhone.
> How long does ATT have an exclusive on the iPhone in the US? I thought it
> was 5 years.
Yes, it's 2 years. So it's hard to say what will happen in 18 months of
course. Steve has the upper hand now, so he can play ATT like a fiddle
for better pricing, or play them off Verizon which is desperate for the
iPhone contract, etc.
> Also the iPhone is only GSM - is Apple also designing one that is CDMA?
currently CDMA is like bad cable internet, it's good for the most part
but it's shared and at peak times your calls sound like crap.
so considering Steve is a no-nonsense kind of guy CDMA might not ever
make the cut.
we'll see.
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