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  1. #1
    Joel Koltner
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    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
    > year. this is good news for everyone!


    Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly. Many people just don't use
    any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place -- probably at
    least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
    the box" and price.

    But I agree it's good news that Apple's opening up the iPhone to proper
    development.





    See More: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone




  2. #2
    Rick
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    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

    On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:56:41 -0600, Oxford wrote:

    > "John" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> http://www.apple.com/hotnews/

    >
    > yep! it was only a matter of time before apple played its heavy hand...
    >
    > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
    > year.


    AHAH HA hHHA HHAh AHhah hha hHA hHAHhah ahha ha hHA ah ha...

    --
    Rick



  3. #3
    Kurt
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    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
    > > year. this is good news for everyone!

    >
    > Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly. Many people just don't use
    > any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place -- probably at
    > least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
    > the box" and price.



    The reason most people don't use phones with 3rd party apps is because
    they didn't come installed in them.

    And then they'd need to pay extra for any of the good (i.e. stable)
    programs and have to go through a download and installation process.

    --
    To reply by email, remove the word "space"



  4. #4
    Ness Net
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    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone


    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
    > year. this is good news for everyone!
    >
    > -
    >


    As always, you just don't get it....

    Example:
    Blackberry = business tool
    iPhone = cool toy - NOT a business tool (unless radically changed in the
    future)

    Bottom line, your prediction based on today's facts is stupid.

    As usual.




  5. #5
    Oxford
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    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

    "Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
    > > year. this is good news for everyone!

    >
    > Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly.


    well, we all know that is going to happen within 24 months, an iPhone
    nano for $199 is in the works, a $99 iPhone within 36 months. Apple
    ALWAYS starts at the top and works its way down the price scale. So it's
    only a question "of when" Apple sweeps out the lower handset makers.

    > Many people just don't use
    > any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place --


    ah... WHAT? I think you must be using Windows. In the Apple world,
    people use whatever they want since it's so EASY to try new software.

    In the Windows world everyone has been "conditioned" to not try new
    software, but nothing like that exists in the Apple space since there
    are no penalties for using new software. The iPhone is the PERFECT
    device to try new software without any risk. Plus it's FAR easier to
    install / remove software on Macs / iPhones...

    So I just had to LAUGH at that since that's a pure Windows issue, not an
    Apple or iPhone one.

    > probably at
    > least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
    > the box" and price.


    But Apple will change all that... basically, the cell industry plays
    under Apple's rule from this point forward. Everyone wants an iPhone
    since it's more feature packed and far easier to use than any other cell
    phone... we all know that. So once Apple moves the iPhone down the price
    scale, it will remove "most" handset makers out of the market.

    > But I agree it's good news that Apple's opening up the iPhone to proper
    > development.


    Yes, it's going to be a massive wave of innovation never before seen by
    the cell industry. Never has such a large computer firm entered the cell
    space, and since the cell industry is very uncompetitive, Apple will
    wipe out much of what exists today... so it's going to fun to watch them
    fall.

    -



  6. #6
    David Empson
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    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

    Joel Koltner <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
    > > year. this is good news for everyone!

    >
    > Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly. Many people just don't use
    > any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place -- probably at
    > least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
    > the box" and price.


    It also applies to the iPod Touch.

    For anyone wanting an advanced highly portable computer, but doesn't
    need the additional features of the iPhone (or the long term contract)
    this makes the iPod Touch even more interesting.

    The PDA market isn't as large as the cellphone market, but the iPod
    Touch, iPhone or a future slightly larger model with full PDA
    functionality and third party application support will be very
    competitive with other brands and platforms, and could easily take over
    that market.

    > But I agree it's good news that Apple's opening up the iPhone to proper
    > development.


    This has removed one of my main reasons for not considering an iPod
    Touch or an iPhone as a potential replacement for my dying Palm Treo
    600. I do use third party software on my Treo and would like to be able
    to do so on a replacement device.

    I don't want to go to Windows Mobile because it doesn't work well with
    the Mac.

    Palm has dropped the ball on PalmOS, and a device based on OS X is far
    more appealing to me as a Mac user.

    I want a device which has full iPod, PDA and cellphone functionality.

    If I can't get all three, I'm willing to sacrifice the phone (use a
    cheap cellphone instead) but keep portable music and PDA functions on
    one device.
    --
    David Empson
    [email protected]



  7. #7
    Oxford
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    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

    "Ness Net" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > As always, you just don't get it....
    >
    > Example:
    > Blackberry = business tool
    > iPhone = cool toy - NOT a business tool (unless radically changed in the
    > future)


    it was radically changed about 8 hours ago. didn't you get the memo?

    no, blackberry doesn't stand a chance since by unit sales alone they
    will be miniscule by this time next year. all business software
    developers will FLOCK to the iPhone since they know that is the future
    of all smart phones. RIMM doesn't stand a chance against apple at this
    point in the game.

    > Bottom line, your prediction based on today's facts is stupid.


    What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
    is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
    I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
    them.



  8. #8
    Ness_net
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    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone


    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > no, blackberry doesn't stand a chance since by unit sales alone they
    > will be miniscule by this time next year. all business software
    > developers will FLOCK to the iPhone since they know that is the future
    > of all smart phones. RIMM doesn't stand a chance against apple at this
    > point in the game.
    >



    Just the above statement proves you don't have even a fraction of an actual clue.

    Everything runs as root on an iPhone, which will keep 95% plus percent
    of the (smart anyway) IT depts away - and most do and will BAN the pretty (but flawed) toy.

    They won't give a **** if 3rd party apps are loaded. The DEVICE is flawed.

    You can go on and on and on like you do - you have less than ZERO credibility at this point.

    Every post continues to proves it - again and again.

    Like this one... Just another fantasy based wish from a deluded, fanatic fanboy.





  9. #9
    IMHO IIRC
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    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

    In news:[email protected],
    Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
    > "Ness Net" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> As always, you just don't get it....
    >>
    >> Example:
    >> Blackberry = business tool
    >> iPhone = cool toy - NOT a business tool (unless radically changed in the
    >> future)

    >
    > it was radically changed about 8 hours ago. didn't you get the memo?
    >
    > no, blackberry doesn't stand a chance since by unit sales alone they
    > will be miniscule by this time next year. all business software
    > developers will FLOCK to the iPhone since they know that is the future
    > of all smart phones. RIMM doesn't stand a chance against apple at this
    > point in the game.
    >
    >> Bottom line, your prediction based on today's facts is stupid.

    >
    > What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
    > is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
    > I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
    > them.


    Which is most likely within 4.5 years:

    1. All cell phone users will have iPhones with ATT plans.

    2. There be about the same ratio of iPhone users with ATT cell plans to
    other cell phone users as there are currently users of Apple computers to
    users of non-Apple computers.

    I would think number 2.







  10. #10
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

    "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
    > > is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
    > > I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
    > > them.

    >
    > Which is most likely within 4.5 years:
    >
    > 1. All cell phone users will have iPhones with ATT plans.
    >
    > 2. There be about the same ratio of iPhone users with ATT cell plans to
    > other cell phone users as there are currently users of Apple computers to
    > users of non-Apple computers.
    >
    > I would think number 2.


    but those aren't the only 2 choices.

    3) the iPhone is on all of the top 5 carriers within 2 years.

    4) Apple and Google team up and buy their own part of the wireless
    spectrum and do an end run around all cell carriers.

    5) and many more...

    most likely is No. 3 of course.... if those companies can modernize
    enough to support Visual Voice Mail and very high bandwidth devices.



  11. #11
    IMHO IIRC
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    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

    In news:[email protected],
    Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
    > "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
    >>> is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
    >>> I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
    >>> them.

    >>
    >> Which is most likely within 4.5 years:
    >>
    >> 1. All cell phone users will have iPhones with ATT plans.
    >>
    >> 2. There be about the same ratio of iPhone users with ATT cell plans to
    >> other cell phone users as there are currently users of Apple computers to
    >> users of non-Apple computers.
    >>
    >> I would think number 2.

    >
    > but those aren't the only 2 choices.
    >
    > 3) the iPhone is on all of the top 5 carriers within 2 years.
    >
    > 4) Apple and Google team up and buy their own part of the wireless
    > spectrum and do an end run around all cell carriers.
    >
    > 5) and many more...
    >
    > most likely is No. 3 of course.... if those companies can modernize
    > enough to support Visual Voice Mail and very high bandwidth devices.


    Why do you need high bandwidth? I thought everything was done with WiFi.
    How long does ATT have an exclusive on the iPhone in the US? I thought it
    was 5 years.
    Also the iPhone is only GSM - is Apple also designing one that is CDMA?






  12. #12
    Kevin Weaver
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    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

    And tell us why Google would need apple ?
    Goggle has more money then apple.

    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
    >> > is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
    >> > I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
    >> > them.

    >>
    >> Which is most likely within 4.5 years:
    >>
    >> 1. All cell phone users will have iPhones with ATT plans.
    >>
    >> 2. There be about the same ratio of iPhone users with ATT cell plans to
    >> other cell phone users as there are currently users of Apple computers to
    >> users of non-Apple computers.
    >>
    >> I would think number 2.

    >
    > but those aren't the only 2 choices.
    >
    > 3) the iPhone is on all of the top 5 carriers within 2 years.
    >
    > 4) Apple and Google team up and buy their own part of the wireless
    > spectrum and do an end run around all cell carriers.
    >
    > 5) and many more...
    >
    > most likely is No. 3 of course.... if those companies can modernize
    > enough to support Visual Voice Mail and very high bandwidth devices.





  13. #13
    Kevin Weaver
    Guest

    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone


    "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In news:[email protected],
    > Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
    >> "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>> What? Apple has totally altered markets before beyond recognition, this
    >>>> is no different. Sure it takes awhile for people to catch up with what
    >>>> I'm saying, but they always do when they see what is happening around
    >>>> them.
    >>>
    >>> Which is most likely within 4.5 years:
    >>>
    >>> 1. All cell phone users will have iPhones with ATT plans.
    >>>
    >>> 2. There be about the same ratio of iPhone users with ATT cell plans to
    >>> other cell phone users as there are currently users of Apple computers
    >>> to
    >>> users of non-Apple computers.
    >>>
    >>> I would think number 2.

    >>
    >> but those aren't the only 2 choices.
    >>
    >> 3) the iPhone is on all of the top 5 carriers within 2 years.
    >>
    >> 4) Apple and Google team up and buy their own part of the wireless
    >> spectrum and do an end run around all cell carriers.
    >>
    >> 5) and many more...
    >>
    >> most likely is No. 3 of course.... if those companies can modernize
    >> enough to support Visual Voice Mail and very high bandwidth devices.

    >
    > Why do you need high bandwidth? I thought everything was done with WiFi.
    > How long does ATT have an exclusive on the iPhone in the US? I thought it
    > was 5 years.
    > Also the iPhone is only GSM - is Apple also designing one that is CDMA?
    >

    They did. But Verizon being 1st in line for the iphone, shot the iphone
    down. Then they got AT&T




  14. #14
    Oxford
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    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

    "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > And tell us why Google would need apple ?
    > Goggle has more money then apple.


    Because Apple and Google are partners in crime. Eric Schmidt sits on
    Apple's Board of Directors so whatever Apple says, Google does.

    and no, Google has about 1/2 the cash of Apple.

    -



  15. #15
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

    "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > 3) the iPhone is on all of the top 5 carriers within 2 years.
    > >
    > > 4) Apple and Google team up and buy their own part of the wireless
    > > spectrum and do an end run around all cell carriers.
    > >
    > > 5) and many more...
    > >
    > > most likely is No. 3 of course.... if those companies can modernize
    > > enough to support Visual Voice Mail and very high bandwidth devices.

    >
    > Why do you need high bandwidth? I thought everything was done with WiFi.


    80% of it is, but even AT&T choked when all the iPhones first came
    online. The data infrastructure of cell firms is way behind firms like
    Apple. They hide behind slow 2.5 / 3G networks currently, but once they
    get a taste of unlimited 802.11g they are going to falter unless they
    plan for the future. They are geared for tiny sized voice transmissions,
    not huge data loads that come with all the wonderful features of the
    iPhone.

    > How long does ATT have an exclusive on the iPhone in the US? I thought it
    > was 5 years.


    Yes, it's 2 years. So it's hard to say what will happen in 18 months of
    course. Steve has the upper hand now, so he can play ATT like a fiddle
    for better pricing, or play them off Verizon which is desperate for the
    iPhone contract, etc.

    > Also the iPhone is only GSM - is Apple also designing one that is CDMA?


    currently CDMA is like bad cable internet, it's good for the most part
    but it's shared and at peak times your calls sound like crap.

    so considering Steve is a no-nonsense kind of guy CDMA might not ever
    make the cut.

    we'll see.



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