iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine

Arthur Shapiro wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
>> iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> So why are you cross-posting this to every group and its mother? I'm seeing
> this on the T-Mobile group, which I believe doesn't support that contraption.
>
> Art

Ah, yes. I believe it would be called SPAMMING.


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"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> nobody has done multi-touch before

Mmm... OK.

> nobody has done a real browser in a
> cell phone before

Yes, although there were other devices like the Nokia N800 that was touted as,
"link to your cell phone so that you can use a real web browser!" (The N800's
screen resolution is 800x480 -- more than the iPhone's). There were also some
Windows Mobile devices with 640x480 screens. But I agree that the iPhone has
done a lot to demonstrate that a higher-resolution screen and more
full-featured web browser is quite useful on a phone-type device.

What I'm saying here is that the browser in the iPhone is definitely more
"evolutionary" than "revolutionary"

> nobody has done an ipod in a cell phone before.

Now that's just silly. Sure, manybe not packaged witih the phone itself, but
Palm and Windows and probably even Symbian phones have long had *many*
iPod-like media players to choose from.

> workable visual voice mail another first. super slim size, incredible
> battery life, airport mode, international mode, on and on...

All of these have appeared in other phones over time. The iPhone's main
contributation is combining them all together in a relatively seamless manner
using multi-touch. The TIME article is correct that Steve Jobs main
contribution is that he considers style & usability to be on equal footing
with technology itself.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The TIME article is correct that Steve Jobs main
>> contribution is that he considers style & usability to be on equal footing
>> with technology itself.
>
> Except for when he doesn't. Like his newest operating system.
>
> Steve Jobs is a little child who throws tantrums and who, when he gets
> an idea in his head, refuses to acknowledge that it might be a bad idea
> and forces his developers to implement it.
>

Yup, just like Billy Bob Gates. Jobs and Gates; two spoiled brats that
need to be spanked.

In article <[email protected]>,
none <[email protected]> wrote:

> JF Mezei <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Nah, they still have total flexibility. They have the option to buy part
> > > of the wireless spectrum, or they can go full WiFi, or WiMax... they can
> > > also cut deals with other cell carriers, etc. There are no blocks on the
> > > iPhone which gives Apple plenty of leverage.
> >
> > Are you aware that Apple has a 5 year exclusivity agreement with AT&T ?
> > It is not able to sell iPhOnEs to any other USA network for 5 years.
>
> it's 2 years not five.

Actually, the consumer has to obligate to a 2 year deal with AT&T. The length of
the deal between Apple and AT&T, while never officially announced, is thought to
be 5 years.

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> Edge is too slow to be useful for a number of tasks... IMHO, Jobs panned
> 3G as being a power hog as the 'company line' for not including it... I
> suspect the story behind the scenes is quite different.. Most likely
> couldn't get past an engineering hurdle before they needed to launch
> it.. but I am speculating..

More likely, Jobs couldn't get a good enough deal on a 3G chipset. What
he's selling in iPhone is a combination of slightly obsolete components
(EDGE chipset, low resolution display) that he could pick up on the cheap.

>>> No GPS
>> GPS might not yet be ready for the iPhone's level of needs.

More like, Jobs couldn't get a good enough deal on a GPS chipset.

>> Ah, I think you mean GREAT PDA functionality, Apple invented PDA's so
>> this is just an extension of Apple's original dream.

Apple most certainly did not invent the PDA. The Newton was a rehash of a
Sharp product that already existed in the Japanese market. Sharp decided
to go with its far superior Zaurus architecture instead (the first model,
the PI-3000 was in 1994) and dumped the older stuff. Apple picked up the
rights to the older technology for a song, changed the firmware, and
called it Newton.

Incidentally, Steve Jobs hated Newton (it was Sculley's project, not his)
and killed it as soon as he had the chance.

Note that Sharp's 1996 Zaurus MI-10 was the first color PDA ever. I no
longer have my Zaurus PI-3000, but I still have a PI-6000 and an MI-10.

>>> No memory expansion..
>> Ah, you are forgetting how iTunes works, syncing makes for little need
>> for expansion when iTunes does this automatically.

Undoubtably, Oxford will be singing the praises of the model that allows
an external memory card.

>> VoIP is still in the formative stages. iChat does this now so it's only
>> a matter of time before it can be moved to the iPhone. Apple tends to
>> wait until the time is right, not push out inferior products before they
>> are ready.

More like, Apple missed the boat on VOIP and now can't get on board
without having to pay a huge amount of royalties to someone else.

> I use it all the time.. more so than the standard cell phone... Voice
> quality is perfectly fine... Again, the reason was probably more
> dependent on ATT not wanting the iPhone to circumvent their 'per minute'
> plans than any view that VOIP is an immature technology..

Another reason why iPhone is not 3G. Skype works fine on 3G, but not on
EDGE.

>>> Touch Screen?
>> Yes, it's the best on the market.

Tell that to a Nokia N800 owner who has a touch screen with twice as many
pixels, or a user of a UMPC who has a touch screen with four times as many
pixels.

You don't have to do all that zooming and unzooming if you have enough
pixels.

> Like everything else, we will see.. Remember the Newton? The Lisa?
> They were all visions of the future, Apple will show the world, etc...

It'll be fun to watch the hew and cry and tearing of hair when iPhone is
cancelled.

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On Nov 1, 7:22 pm, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> This goes without question of course, nothing so remarkable has ever
> been introduced to the phone market probably since the rotary dial or
> original phone back in 1876.

Okay, I went to Wal*mart and bought a rotary phone and answering
machine for 30 bucks.

turns out they are right

That only leaves a small fridge. That's a luxary item for sodas. I
may
check at Goodwill, tomorrow.

mk5000

"battery 1-12.2V battery 2-11.6V
About an hour after the last check, the stereo was no longer
picking
up the radio station and the lights were dimmer. The whole time, the
monitor showed batteries as being at rock-bottom."--vw in ca

At 02 Nov 2007 17:26:35 -0400 Don Udel (ETC) wrote:
> In fact, the credit for changing Steve's
> world may actually go to Harold Hall who ordered Adele to do what Elmo
is
> speaking of.


IIRC the PBS documentary on the subject correctly, Dr. Goldberg cautioned
her employers NOT to make her do what she did, having the foresight to
know that their guests might pick up the ball and run with it, as they
eventually did.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Don Udel \(ETC\)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > It may be history to you; but I lived it.
>
> And an absolutely fascinating piece of history it is.
>
> I hope one day to have the opportunity to meet Gary Starkweather.
>
> Hey, Oxford: who is Gary Starkweather, and what crucial role did HE
> play in Steve Jobs's life?

Wasn't that during a sexual exploration stage of his life?

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In article <[email protected]>,
"LHA" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> A magazine for liberal idiots, run by liberal idiots.

What's a good one for conservative idiots?

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Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Edge is too slow to be useful for a number of tasks... IMHO, Jobs panned
> > 3G as being a power hog as the 'company line' for not including it... I
> > suspect the story behind the scenes is quite different.. Most likely
> > couldn't get past an engineering hurdle before they needed to launch
> > it.. but I am speculating..
>
> More likely, Jobs couldn't get a good enough deal on a 3G chipset. What
> he's selling in iPhone is a combination of slightly obsolete components
> (EDGE chipset, low resolution display) that he could pick up on the cheap.

no it's well documented that 3G chips run too hot/consume too much power
to be useable as of yet.

> >>> No GPS
> >> GPS might not yet be ready for the iPhone's level of needs.
>
> More like, Jobs couldn't get a good enough deal on a GPS chipset.

well, it's probably related to the upcoming spectrum sale, GPS doesn't
go through roofs / walls, but apple probably has a plan to get around
that so they are holding out for something better.

> >> Ah, I think you mean GREAT PDA functionality, Apple invented PDA's so
> >> this is just an extension of Apple's original dream.
>
> Apple most certainly did not invent the PDA. The Newton was a rehash of a
> Sharp product that already existed in the Japanese market. Sharp decided
> to go with its far superior Zaurus architecture instead (the first model,
> the PI-3000 was in 1994) and dumped the older stuff. Apple picked up the
> rights to the older technology for a song, changed the firmware, and
> called it Newton.

mark, you make everyone laugh with ignorance like that, Apple certainly
did create the first PDA, they even coined the term!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sculley

apple's newton even to this day is more advanced than most PDA's, apple
innovated hard on the PDA and still own plenty of patents that nobody
else can use for a few more years.

> Incidentally, Steve Jobs hated Newton (it was Sculley's project, not his)
> and killed it as soon as he had the chance.

correct. "i don't like scribbly things" is a well known quote... he was
back for about a year then when he cleared out all the old macs, the
newton went with them.

> Note that Sharp's 1996 Zaurus MI-10 was the first color PDA ever. I no
> longer have my Zaurus PI-3000, but I still have a PI-6000 and an MI-10.

yes, but those were crap compared to the newton.

> >>> No memory expansion..
> >> Ah, you are forgetting how iTunes works, syncing makes for little need
> >> for expansion when iTunes does this automatically.
>
> Undoubtably, Oxford will be singing the praises of the model that allows
> an external memory card.

well, you really don't need more memory when you have iTunes doing all
the syncing. Auto sync is a marvel, so having a fixed 8GB is about 4
times more than most smartphones so it's not a problem.

> >> VoIP is still in the formative stages. iChat does this now so it's only
> >> a matter of time before it can be moved to the iPhone. Apple tends to
> >> wait until the time is right, not push out inferior products before they
> >> are ready.
>
> More like, Apple missed the boat on VOIP and now can't get on board
> without having to pay a huge amount of royalties to someone else.

no, apple has had VoIP since the mid 90's, it's just when the time is
right is when Apple will enter. They don't rush things so it's better
for the consumer that way.

> > I use it all the time.. more so than the standard cell phone... Voice
> > quality is perfectly fine... Again, the reason was probably more
> > dependent on ATT not wanting the iPhone to circumvent their 'per minute'
> > plans than any view that VOIP is an immature technology..
>
> Another reason why iPhone is not 3G. Skype works fine on 3G, but not on
> EDGE.

yes, but you rarely on are on EDGE with an iPhone, it uses normal WiFi
so 90% of the time you don't need 3G.

> >>> Touch Screen?
> >> Yes, it's the best on the market.
>
> Tell that to a Nokia N800 owner who has a touch screen with twice as many
> pixels, or a user of a UMPC who has a touch screen with four times as many
> pixels.

yes, but the screen quality is poor on the N800, touch doesn't respond
well, you still have to use a stylus, no multi-touch so it's quite
worthless if you want a higher quality screen / more responsive touch
screen.

> You don't have to do all that zooming and unzooming if you have enough
> pixels.

in other words, Nokia doesn't have Core Graphics / Core Animation so
they are kinda stuck in the 90's compared to the iPhone / OSX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Animation

> > Like everything else, we will see.. Remember the Newton? The Lisa?
> > They were all visions of the future, Apple will show the world, etc...
>
> It'll be fun to watch the hew and cry and tearing of hair when iPhone is
> cancelled.

considering it's by far the best selling smartphone that won't happen
for 20-40 or more years. the UK and Germany come online in just 7 Days!

so there's another 500,000 that first month. the iPhone will be known as
the primary cell/smartphone people of the world use from here on out.

you can get ready here:

http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/easysetup/getready.html

http://www.apple.com/de/iphone/easysetup/getready.html


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"Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > nobody has done an ipod in a cell phone before.
>
> Now that's just silly. Sure, manybe not packaged witih the phone itself, but
> Palm and Windows and probably even Symbian phones have long had *many*
> iPod-like media players to choose from.

ipod "like" but not an ipod, so that's a huge difference for the user.

Tony <[email protected]> wrote:

> >> No user-replaceable battery
> >
> > Incorrect, it's $20 for a user to replace the iPhone battery
>
> Doesn't it require the user to send the phone in to Apple, and then pay
> for a rental iPhone if they cannot be without one for more than 10 days?
> or has Apple changed their stance on it? I did say 'user-replaceable'...

why would you do that? the iphone is just like the ipod, it's $20 for a
new battery after 3-5 years, there are tons of video instructions on how
to do it.

yes, apple does offer a 3 day concierge service with use of a loaner
phone, but that's just for people willing to spend an extra $60 for the
convenience.

but sure, most people will do it themselves, just like any other ipod.
or get a new one in 3-4 years anyway and let someone buy it for $200 and
replace the battery on their own. then they have a $220 iphone for the
next 3-4 year rotation, repeat.

[email protected] (Arthur Shapiro) wrote:

> >iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> So why are you cross-posting this to every group and its mother? I'm seeing
> this on the T-Mobile group, which I believe doesn't support that contraption.

not sure what you mean. only groups affected by the iPhone were included.

remember, this is USENET... love it or leave it. you have a choice...

Simon Templar <[email protected]> wrote:

> > So why are you cross-posting this to every group and its mother? I'm
> > seeing
> > this on the T-Mobile group, which I believe doesn't support that
> > contraption.
> >
> > Art
>
> Ah, yes. I believe it would be called SPAMMING.

incorrect. spamming is sending out massive waves of non-topical
information.

while news & information about the iphone is important to all of us.

you can learn more here:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/gettings...uidedtour.html

Oxford wrote:
> incorrect. spamming is sending out massive waves of non-topical
> information.
>
> while news & information about the iphone is important to all of us.

CRAP iPhone is important to bugger all people. I am happy with my
Nokia, so PISS OFF and stop SPAMMING!

> you can learn more here:
>
> http://www.rottenapple.com/iphone/ge...uidedtour.html


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