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- 11-01-2007, 02:37 PM #1OxfordGuest
iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
This goes without question of course, nothing so remarkable has ever
been introduced to the phone market probably since the rotary dial or
original phone back in 1876.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1..._Telephone.jpg
The iPhone changes EVERYTHING we knew before.
Congrats Apple for showing phone makers how a PHONE should actually work!
1. The iPhone design
Most high-tech companies don't take design seriously. They treat it as
an afterthought. Window-dressing. But one of Jobs' basic insights about
technology is that good design is actually as important as good
technology. All the cool features in the world won't do you any good
unless you can figure out how to use said features, and feel smart and
attractive while doing it.
An example: look at what happens when you put the iPhone into "airplane"
mode (i.e., no cell service, WiFi, etc.). A tiny little orange airplane
zooms into the menu bar! Cute, you might say. But cute little touches
like that are part of what makes the iPhone usable in a world of useless
gadgets. It speaks your language. In the world of technology, surface
really is depth.
2. It's touchy-feely
Apple didn't invent the touchscreen. Apple didn't even reinvent it
(Apple probably acquired its much hyped multitouch technology when it
snapped up a company called Fingerworks in 2005). But Apple knew what to
do with it. Apple's engineers used the touchscreen to innovate past the
graphical user interface (which Apple helped pioneer with the Macintosh
in the 1980s) to create a whole new kind of interface, a tactile one
that gives users the illusion of actually physically manipulating data
with their hands‹flipping through album covers, clicking links,
stretching and shrinking photographs with their fingers.
This is, as engineers say, nontrivial. It's part of a new way of
relating to computers. Look at the success of the Nintendo Wii. Look at
Microsoft's new Surface Computing division. Look at how Apple has
propagated its touchscreen interface to the iPod line with the iPod
Touch. Can it be long before we get an iMac Touch? A TouchBook? Touching
is the new seeing.
3. It will make other phones better
Jobs didn't write the code inside the iPhone. These days he doesn't
dirty his fingers with 1's and 0's, if he ever really did. But he did
negotiate the deal with AT&T to carry the iPhone. That's important: one
reason so many cell phones are lame is that cell-phone-service providers
hobble developers with lame rules about what they can and can't do. AT&T
gave Apple unprecedented freedom to build the iPhone to its own
specifications. Now other phone makers are jealous. They're demanding
the same freedoms. That means better, more innovative phones for all.
4. It's not a phone, it's a platform
When Apple made the iPhone, it didn't throw together some cheap-o
bare-bones firmware. It took OS X, its full-featured desktop operating
system, and somehow squished it down to fit inside the iPhone's elegant
glass-and-stainless-steel case. That makes the iPhone more than just a
gadget. It's a genuine handheld, walk-around computer, the first device
that really deserves the name. One of the big trends of 2007 was the
idea that computing doesn't belong just in cyberspace, it needs to
happen here, in the real world, where actual stuff happens. The iPhone
gets applications like Google Maps out onto the street, where we really
need them.
And this is just the beginning. Platforms are for building on. Last
month, after a lot of throat-clearing, Apple decided to open up the
iPhone, so that you‹meaning people other than Apple employees‹will be
able to develop software for it too. Ever notice all that black blank
space on the iPhone's desktop? It's about to fill up with lots of tiny,
pretty, useful icons.
5. It is but the ghost of iPhones yet to come
The iPhone has sold enough units‹more than 1.4 million at press
time‹that it'll be around for a while, and with all that room to develop
and its infinitely updatable, all-software interface, the iPhone is
built to evolve. Look at the iPod of six years ago. That monochrome
interface! That clunky touchwheel! It looks like something a caveman
whittled from a piece of flint using another piece of flint. Now imagine
something that's going to make the iPhone look that primitive. You'll
have one in a few years. It'll be very cool. And it'll be even cheaper.
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- 11-01-2007, 02:56 PM #2GeorgeGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Oxford wrote:
> iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
I just bumped into Steve Jobs. He said you are his #1 fanboi and he is
really close to inviting you over so you could have his baby. So your
dream may come true.
- 11-01-2007, 03:00 PM #3LHAGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
A magazine for liberal idiots, run by liberal idiots.
- 11-01-2007, 03:02 PM #4Simon TemplarGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Oxford wrote:
> iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
How much did Apple pay for that privilege?
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- 11-01-2007, 03:32 PM #5james g. keegan jr.Guest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
In article <[email protected]>,
"LHA" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> A magazine for liberal idiots, run by liberal idiots.
wow. there aren't many who can demonstrate ignorance of the meanings
of the words "liberal" and "idiots" in a single phrase.
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been warned."
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- 11-01-2007, 03:38 PM #6LarryGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
[email protected]:
> 2. It's touchy-feely
>
YOU'RE touchy-feely....(c;
Did you take your meds at 5?
- 11-01-2007, 05:22 PM #7OxfordGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
This goes without question of course, nothing so remarkable has ever
been introduced to the phone market probably since the rotary dial or
original phone back in 1876.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1..._Telephone.jpg
The iPhone changes EVERYTHING we knew before.
Congrats Apple for showing phone makers how a PHONE should actually work!
1. The iPhone design
Most high-tech companies don't take design seriously. They treat it as
an afterthought. Window-dressing. But one of Jobs' basic insights about
technology is that good design is actually as important as good
technology. All the cool features in the world won't do you any good
unless you can figure out how to use said features, and feel smart and
attractive while doing it.
An example: look at what happens when you put the iPhone into "airplane"
mode (i.e., no cell service, WiFi, etc.). A tiny little orange airplane
zooms into the menu bar! Cute, you might say. But cute little touches
like that are part of what makes the iPhone usable in a world of useless
gadgets. It speaks your language. In the world of technology, surface
really is depth.
2. It's touchy-feely
Apple didn't invent the touchscreen. Apple didn't even reinvent it
(Apple probably acquired its much hyped multitouch technology when it
snapped up a company called Fingerworks in 2005). But Apple knew what to
do with it. Apple's engineers used the touchscreen to innovate past the
graphical user interface (which Apple helped pioneer with the Macintosh
in the 1980s) to create a whole new kind of interface, a tactile one
that gives users the illusion of actually physically manipulating data
with their hands‹flipping through album covers, clicking links,
stretching and shrinking photographs with their fingers.
This is, as engineers say, nontrivial. It's part of a new way of
relating to computers. Look at the success of the Nintendo Wii. Look at
Microsoft's new Surface Computing division. Look at how Apple has
propagated its touchscreen interface to the iPod line with the iPod
Touch. Can it be long before we get an iMac Touch? A TouchBook? Touching
is the new seeing.
3. It will make other phones better
Jobs didn't write the code inside the iPhone. These days he doesn't
dirty his fingers with 1's and 0's, if he ever really did. But he did
negotiate the deal with AT&T to carry the iPhone. That's important: one
reason so many cell phones are lame is that cell-phone-service providers
hobble developers with lame rules about what they can and can't do. AT&T
gave Apple unprecedented freedom to build the iPhone to its own
specifications. Now other phone makers are jealous. They're demanding
the same freedoms. That means better, more innovative phones for all.
4. It's not a phone, it's a platform
When Apple made the iPhone, it didn't throw together some cheap-o
bare-bones firmware. It took OS X, its full-featured desktop operating
system, and somehow squished it down to fit inside the iPhone's elegant
glass-and-stainless-steel case. That makes the iPhone more than just a
gadget. It's a genuine handheld, walk-around computer, the first device
that really deserves the name. One of the big trends of 2007 was the
idea that computing doesn't belong just in cyberspace, it needs to
happen here, in the real world, where actual stuff happens. The iPhone
gets applications like Google Maps out onto the street, where we really
need them.
And this is just the beginning. Platforms are for building on. Last
month, after a lot of throat-clearing, Apple decided to open up the
iPhone, so that you‹meaning people other than Apple employees‹will be
able to develop software for it too. Ever notice all that black blank
space on the iPhone's desktop? It's about to fill up with lots of tiny,
pretty, useful icons.
5. It is but the ghost of iPhones yet to come
The iPhone has sold enough units‹more than 1.4 million at press
time‹that it'll be around for a while, and with all that room to develop
and its infinitely updatable, all-software interface, the iPhone is
built to evolve. Look at the iPod of six years ago. That monochrome
interface! That clunky touchwheel! It looks like something a caveman
whittled from a piece of flint using another piece of flint. Now imagine
something that's going to make the iPhone look that primitive. You'll
have one in a few years. It'll be very cool. And it'll be even cheaper.
http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...678581,00.html
> Did you take your meds at 5?
Laughing at you is the best medicine I've found
-
- 11-01-2007, 05:24 PM #8Mark ThompsonGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
"LHA" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> A magazine for liberal idiots, run by liberal idiots.
Time Magazine? That is as middle of the road as you can get.
At least they are honest... Conservatives are criminals by and large.
- 11-01-2007, 05:27 PM #9OxfordGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Simon Templar <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oxford wrote:
> > iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> How much did Apple pay for that privilege?
Ah, whatever it cost to develop the iPhone would be the answer.
It's quite shocking how advanced it is, no smartphone/cell phone will
get close to it for at least 10 years. A true human achievement on the
level of the Microwave and TV.
Do you have one yet?
-----
iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
This goes without question of course, nothing so remarkable has ever
been introduced to the phone market probably since the rotary dial or
original phone back in 1876.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1..._Telephone.jpg
The iPhone changes EVERYTHING we knew before.
Congrats Apple for showing phone makers how a PHONE should actually work!
1. The iPhone design
Most high-tech companies don't take design seriously. They treat it as
an afterthought. Window-dressing. But one of Jobs' basic insights about
technology is that good design is actually as important as good
technology. All the cool features in the world won't do you any good
unless you can figure out how to use said features, and feel smart and
attractive while doing it.
An example: look at what happens when you put the iPhone into "airplane"
mode (i.e., no cell service, WiFi, etc.). A tiny little orange airplane
zooms into the menu bar! Cute, you might say. But cute little touches
like that are part of what makes the iPhone usable in a world of useless
gadgets. It speaks your language. In the world of technology, surface
really is depth.
2. It's touchy-feely
Apple didn't invent the touchscreen. Apple didn't even reinvent it
(Apple probably acquired its much hyped multitouch technology when it
snapped up a company called Fingerworks in 2005). But Apple knew what to
do with it. Apple's engineers used the touchscreen to innovate past the
graphical user interface (which Apple helped pioneer with the Macintosh
in the 1980s) to create a whole new kind of interface, a tactile one
that gives users the illusion of actually physically manipulating data
with their hands‹flipping through album covers, clicking links,
stretching and shrinking photographs with their fingers.
This is, as engineers say, nontrivial. It's part of a new way of
relating to computers. Look at the success of the Nintendo Wii. Look at
Microsoft's new Surface Computing division. Look at how Apple has
propagated its touchscreen interface to the iPod line with the iPod
Touch. Can it be long before we get an iMac Touch? A TouchBook? Touching
is the new seeing.
3. It will make other phones better
Jobs didn't write the code inside the iPhone. These days he doesn't
dirty his fingers with 1's and 0's, if he ever really did. But he did
negotiate the deal with AT&T to carry the iPhone. That's important: one
reason so many cell phones are lame is that cell-phone-service providers
hobble developers with lame rules about what they can and can't do. AT&T
gave Apple unprecedented freedom to build the iPhone to its own
specifications. Now other phone makers are jealous. They're demanding
the same freedoms. That means better, more innovative phones for all.
4. It's not a phone, it's a platform
When Apple made the iPhone, it didn't throw together some cheap-o
bare-bones firmware. It took OS X, its full-featured desktop operating
system, and somehow squished it down to fit inside the iPhone's elegant
glass-and-stainless-steel case. That makes the iPhone more than just a
gadget. It's a genuine handheld, walk-around computer, the first device
that really deserves the name. One of the big trends of 2007 was the
idea that computing doesn't belong just in cyberspace, it needs to
happen here, in the real world, where actual stuff happens. The iPhone
gets applications like Google Maps out onto the street, where we really
need them.
And this is just the beginning. Platforms are for building on. Last
month, after a lot of throat-clearing, Apple decided to open up the
iPhone, so that you‹meaning people other than Apple employees‹will be
able to develop software for it too. Ever notice all that black blank
space on the iPhone's desktop? It's about to fill up with lots of tiny,
pretty, useful icons.
5. It is but the ghost of iPhones yet to come
The iPhone has sold enough units‹more than 1.4 million at press
time‹that it'll be around for a while, and with all that room to develop
and its infinitely updatable, all-software interface, the iPhone is
built to evolve. Look at the iPod of six years ago. That monochrome
interface! That clunky touchwheel! It looks like something a caveman
whittled from a piece of flint using another piece of flint. Now imagine
something that's going to make the iPhone look that primitive. You'll
have one in a few years. It'll be very cool. And it'll be even cheaper.
http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...678581,00.html
- 11-01-2007, 06:14 PM #10Jack HamiltonGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
>Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
>This goes without question of course, nothing so remarkable has ever
>been introduced to the phone market probably since the rotary dial or
>original phone back in 1876.
More remarkable that the idea of cell phones? Or transistors, or
direct dial? I don't think so. The iPhone is a new way to do
something old, not a way to do something new.
- 11-01-2007, 07:00 PM #11Kevin WeaverGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> This goes without question of course, nothing so remarkable has ever
> been introduced to the phone market probably since the rotary dial or
> original phone back in 1876.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1..._Telephone.jpg
>
> The iPhone changes EVERYTHING we knew before.
>
> Congrats Apple for showing phone makers how a PHONE should actually work!
>
>
> 1. The iPhone design
>
> Most high-tech companies don't take design seriously. They treat it as
> an afterthought. Window-dressing. But one of Jobs' basic insights about
> technology is that good design is actually as important as good
> technology. All the cool features in the world won't do you any good
> unless you can figure out how to use said features, and feel smart and
> attractive while doing it.
>
> An example: look at what happens when you put the iPhone into "airplane"
> mode (i.e., no cell service, WiFi, etc.). A tiny little orange airplane
> zooms into the menu bar! Cute, you might say. But cute little touches
> like that are part of what makes the iPhone usable in a world of useless
> gadgets. It speaks your language. In the world of technology, surface
> really is depth.
>
> 2. It's touchy-feely
>
> Apple didn't invent the touchscreen. Apple didn't even reinvent it
> (Apple probably acquired its much hyped multitouch technology when it
> snapped up a company called Fingerworks in 2005). But Apple knew what to
> do with it. Apple's engineers used the touchscreen to innovate past the
> graphical user interface (which Apple helped pioneer with the Macintosh
> in the 1980s) to create a whole new kind of interface, a tactile one
> that gives users the illusion of actually physically manipulating data
> with their hands > stretching and shrinking photographs with their
> fingers.
>
> This is, as engineers say, nontrivial. It's part of a new way of
> relating to computers. Look at the success of the Nintendo Wii. Look at
> Microsoft's new Surface Computing division. Look at how Apple has
> propagated its touchscreen interface to the iPod line with the iPod
> Touch. Can it be long before we get an iMac Touch? A TouchBook? Touching
> is the new seeing.
>
> 3. It will make other phones better
>
> Jobs didn't write the code inside the iPhone. These days he doesn't
> dirty his fingers with 1's and 0's, if he ever really did. But he did
> negotiate the deal with AT&T to carry the iPhone. That's important: one
> reason so many cell phones are lame is that cell-phone-service providers
> hobble developers with lame rules about what they can and can't do. AT&T
> gave Apple unprecedented freedom to build the iPhone to its own
> specifications. Now other phone makers are jealous. They're demanding
> the same freedoms. That means better, more innovative phones for all.
>
> 4. It's not a phone, it's a platform
>
> When Apple made the iPhone, it didn't throw together some cheap-o
> bare-bones firmware. It took OS X, its full-featured desktop operating
> system, and somehow squished it down to fit inside the iPhone's elegant
> glass-and-stainless-steel case. That makes the iPhone more than just a
> gadget. It's a genuine handheld, walk-around computer, the first device
> that really deserves the name. One of the big trends of 2007 was the
> idea that computing doesn't belong just in cyberspace, it needs to
> happen here, in the real world, where actual stuff happens. The iPhone
> gets applications like Google Maps out onto the street, where we really
> need them.
>
> And this is just the beginning. Platforms are for building on. Last
> month, after a lot of throat-clearing, Apple decided to open up the
> iPhone, so that you > able to develop software for it too. Ever notice all
> that black blank
> space on the iPhone's desktop? It's about to fill up with lots of tiny,
> pretty, useful icons.
>
> 5. It is but the ghost of iPhones yet to come
>
> The iPhone has sold enough units > time > and its infinitely updatable,
> all-software interface, the iPhone is
> built to evolve. Look at the iPod of six years ago. That monochrome
> interface! That clunky touchwheel! It looks like something a caveman
> whittled from a piece of flint using another piece of flint. Now imagine
> something that's going to make the iPhone look that primitive. You'll
> have one in a few years. It'll be very cool. And it'll be even cheaper.
>
> http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...678581,00.html
>
>> Did you take your meds at 5?
>
> Laughing at you is the best medicine I've found
>
> -
You must like seeing yourself repeat the same old **** over and over again.
- 11-01-2007, 07:06 PM #12OxfordGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Jack Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:
> >iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
> >
> >This goes without question of course, nothing so remarkable has ever
> >been introduced to the phone market probably since the rotary dial or
> >original phone back in 1876.
>
> More remarkable that the idea of cell phones? Or transistors, or
> direct dial? I don't think so. The iPhone is a new way to do
> something old, not a way to do something new.
nobody has done multi-touch before, nobody has done a real browser in a
cell phone before, nobody has done an ipod in a cell phone before.
workable visual voice mail another first. super slim size, incredible
battery life, airport mode, international mode, on and on...
but thanks for trying jack!
you'll get an iphone at some point, so don't worry!
-
- 11-01-2007, 07:20 PM #13Simon TemplarGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Oxford wrote:
> Ah, whatever it cost to develop the iPhone would be the answer.
>
> It's quite shocking how advanced it is, no smartphone/cell phone will
> get close to it for at least 10 years.
What a load of ****, that is just a stupid claim to make, even IF it was
that advanced today there is no way it would take 10 years for anyone to
come to it!
> A true human achievement on the level of the Microwave and TV.
The microwave oven was invented by a Canadian during World War 2, he
came up with the idea after walking in front of a radar installation and
found that it had melted a bar of chocolate in is his pocket. So don't
go comparing your crappy iphone with an invention from a WW2 veteran.
> Do you have one yet?
NO, and I don't plan to get one. Not even when they are eventually
released here in Australia!
> -----
>
> iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
<SNIP>
YOU ARE A SPAMMER, WTF do you replace your dribble that other's trim in
their replies when you reply to them?!?!
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- 11-01-2007, 08:07 PM #14OxfordGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
JF Mezei <[email protected]> wrote:
> > This goes without question of course, nothing so remarkable has ever
> > been introduced to the phone market probably since the rotary dial or
> > original phone back in 1876.
>
> Apple squandered a HUGE opportunity with he Iphone. By agreeing to
> become a slave to wireless networks, the feature set of the iphone will
> forever be reduced to protect wireless network revenus. So Wi-Fi will
> forever be crippled to prevent owners from bypassing expensive network
> services.
there is no such thing as an IPhone. it's iPhone, NOT IPhone, learn how
to capitalize it first of all...
and i don't think you are understanding what is going on here. the
iPhone could very well be the first mass scale WiFi phone. It's just a
software update away from this... and Steve met with FON a week ago, so
you need to keep abreast of what is in the works.
http://www.fon.com/en/
If Apple does free worldwide WiFi the games is basically over for most
cell carriers. WiFi is fast growing and cheap to free... so if Steve's
meeting with this guy turns into the future, all cell companies will
fade away.
http://counternotions.com/2007/10/26/sj-meeting-video/
> Has Apple produced a totally network independant/unlocked device that
> people bought from Apple, Apple could have loaded the puppy with all the
> features that make that phone totally remarkable. And as long as the
> phone adheres to GSM standards, networks couldn't really block it.
Nah, they still have total flexibility. They have the option to buy part
of the wireless spectrum, or they can go full WiFi, or WiMax... they can
also cut deals with other cell carriers, etc. There are no blocks on the
iPhone which gives Apple plenty of leverage.
> Yes, an unlocked Iphone would cost much more, but then again, it would
> be YOUR phone that you can keep when you change networks, and to me,
> when youhave an item that is far more akin to a computer with your own
> data on it, you don't want it to be tied to some distant company who can
> decide what features you can and cannot use on your unit.
Yes, and nothing is preventing Apple from doing that. Apple holds all
the cards now, so the cell carriers pretty much have to wait to see what
Apple does next so they can position themselves to survive the next
decade.
> And had Apple been succesful at selling directly to consumer an unlocked
> phone that had far more features than the crippled phones from Nokia etc
> sold by the networks, then the other phone manufacturers might have had
> the motivation to also start producing fully-featured phones that are
> not hindered by the mobile network requests to cripple their functionality.
We'll see, the iPhone isn't locked it's just in a formulation stage.
Orange and TMobile are going to sell fully unlocked iPhones, so we'll
see.
> This was a huge loss of opportunity for Apple to reshape the wireless
> industry in north america. At least France and oen middle eastern
> country have forced Apple to sell their units unlocked, but that doesn't
> mean that Apple will load those units with features that mobile
> operators don't want to see on mobile phones.
The iPhone has only been out for 150 days and it's already shook the
cell industry to its knees, so best to hang tight and see how Apple
guides the cell industry from here on out.
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- 11-01-2007, 08:28 PM #15OxfordGuest
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
> in Steve Jobs's world?
nobody seems to know... except you. how strange.
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