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- 11-13-2007, 10:04 PM #16DTCGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
Oxford wrote:
>> WTF you smoking? The iPhone runs on 2G, which means its SLOWER than 3G
>
> No. It mainly runs on 802.11g which is far faster than 3G, the fall back
> is 2.5G. 3G isn't used in the States except for around 5% of the market.
>
> Most people will use the normal 802.11g speed, not get stuck with slower
> 3G so the concept of 3G is moot.
802.11anything is NOT the same as 3G...no need to even begin to make
comparisons.
No comparison of any open 802.11anything to any cellular data service.
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- 11-13-2007, 10:22 PM #17Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
At 13 Nov 2007 19:01:32 -0700 Oxford wrote:
> Verizon didn't understand the
> impact the iPhone would have so they have been shrinking ever since.
Yep. Shrinking to the tune of 1.6 million new customers last quarter-
almost as many as AT&T's 2 million. The majority of iPhones sold were
sold to existing AT&T customers.
- 11-14-2007, 12:50 AM #18OxfordGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
DTC <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Most people will use the normal 802.11g speed, not get stuck with slower
> > 3G so the concept of 3G is moot.
>
> 802.11anything is NOT the same as 3G...no need to even begin to make
> comparisons.
except 90% of your waking life you are within range of the faster 802.11
service. 3G is only good if you are on the road or in some remote area.
> No comparison of any open 802.11 anything to any cellular data service.
actually, it's a very clear comparison. 3G doesn't hold a candle to
normal 802.11 service. Nobody would use 3G unless they have to. so yes,
of 10% of our life if you live in 35 cities, 3G can make some sense. but
90% of your life and 95% of the places people live... 3G makes no
difference.
they will click on "auto connect" to 802.11 with their iPhone. Anything
"G" is just a fallback or desperate / break glass in case of emergency
type of connection.
the computer industry is clearly ahead of the cell world in this area.
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- 11-14-2007, 12:58 AM #19OxfordGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
In article <[email protected]>,
Jon <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> WTF you smoking? The iPhone runs on 2G, which means its SLOWER than 3G
> >
> > No. It mainly runs on 802.11g which is far faster than 3G, the fall back
> > is 2.5G. 3G isn't used in the States except for around 5% of the market.
> >
> > Most people will use the normal 802.11g speed, not get stuck with slower
> > 3G so the concept of 3G is moot.
> The 802.11 is if there is a Wifi connection, and almost all the time
> there will not be.
what? only if you live in a poor area. here... there is open wireless
everywhere, i see you use windows so that typically means you are poorly
educated, thus live in a poor area. but if you move to a better area
you'll see plenty of open wifi.
> Hell, if you are on a bus or in a car, you cannot maintain a wifi
> connection, as wifi does not transmit far.
and we are not talking about that, we are talking about where you spend
90% of your time, in which you have full access to wifi.
> And if the iPhone is advanced as you say it is, why not make it 3G? I
> mean, it is so much better to have faster connections than slower 2.5G
> connections.
guess you weren't around when it was discovered that 3G "halves" your
battery life, makes your phone nearly twice as thick and has no coverage
except in 35 cities. 3G very well may happen, but SJ hasn't approved of
it as yet, so it's not going to be a broad standard until that happens.
> And its only 5% of the market in the states because its a new technology
> which just came out. You are boosting that the iPhone is a new and
> great device, yet it does not even have the lastest technology built
> into it.
well, there is a wireless spectrum sale coming up, and apple & google
have been rumored to be bidders on it. if that happens... 3G dies a
terrible death. 3G isn't ready for prime time unless you sacrifice. not
something apple or their users are willing to do.
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- 11-14-2007, 08:02 AM #20Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
At 13 Nov 2007 23:50:27 -0700 Oxford wrote:
> except 90% of your waking life you are within range of the faster
> 802.11 service.
....and within range of your computer, lessenig the need to surf the web,
check e-mail, get directions or download music on a phone. (Did I cover
the only things a connecte iPhone can do?)
> 3G is only good if you are on the road or in some remote area.
Precisely the places you'll us your phone- when your PC isn't available.
- 11-14-2007, 01:42 PM #21OxfordGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
eatfastnoodle <[email protected]> wrote:
> Apple barely exists in China, either commercially or in term of
> pirated software. A lot of people don't even realize that Mac has a
> completely different OS from what average Chinese would expect on a
> personal computer, somebody actually asked me what kind of windows Mac
> has. (windows is the only game in town, Linux got a of fuss and medium
> level of government support, but in reality, just like OS X, it's
> barely qualified as a blip on the radar, piracy is so wide spread that
> nothing can compete with windows ecosystem) Anyway, hacked Iphone has
> already appeared on TaoBao, China's most popular auction site, and
> quite some Chinese student/scholar/ got requests here in the US from
> their friends and relatives to buy a Iphone for them. But I seriously
> doubt Iphone would be much more than a toy for high-end users.( You
> think American carriers are money-sucking vampires? Go to China and
> try China Mobile and China Unicom. You will know who is REALLY the
> vampire)
yes, on the low end, but there are plenty of macs in china for
publishing, video, tv broadcasting, photography, on and on.
then you have the mass popularity of the ipod in china and it's quite a
healthy market for apple.
http://www.apple.com.cn/
- 11-14-2007, 01:46 PM #22OxfordGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> At 13 Nov 2007 19:01:32 -0700 Oxford wrote:
> > Verizon didn't understand the
> > impact the iPhone would have so they have been shrinking ever since.
>
> Yep. Shrinking to the tune of 1.6 million new customers last quarter-
> almost as many as AT&T's 2 million. The majority of iPhones sold were
> sold to existing AT&T customers.
so they shrunk by 400,000? ouch. the iPhone is eating them up.
and actually 2/3rds of iphone users are new to AT&T.
- 11-14-2007, 01:46 PM #23John MasonGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > http://snipurl.com/1tlab
>> >
>> > HONG KONG (AP) Š China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about
>> > bringing
>> > the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
>> > company's chief executive said Tuesday.
>> >
>> > The companies still need to iron out their differences over revenue
>> > sharing, Wang Jianzhou told reporters on the sidelines of the GSMA
>> > Mobile Asia Congress in the Chinese territory of Macau.
>> >
>> > Apple launched its iPhone in the U.S. earlier this year. The Cupertino,
>> > California-based company has plans to launch the device in Asia in 2008
>> > and is in talks with various operators in the region. China Mobile is
>> > China's largest cellphone carrier.
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Apple has a long history with China, bringing the the first laser
>> > printers
>> > to the country and first to offer a Chinese based OS.
>> >
>> > Congrats to Apple for making the world a better place.
>> >
>> > -
>> answer me this, what does the iPhone have to do with Verizon? Nokia?
>> T-Mobile?
>
> The iPhone is what Verizon is trying to WIN a contract for, Nokia is the
> current design embarrassment of all cell phones and needs to learn how
> Apple has set the standard which all smartphones are now judged.
>
> And T-Mobile is the iPhone carrier for Germany. They wished they had won
> the American contract but weren't up to the quality level Apple requires.
>
> Orange is up next in France, so expect plenty of iPhone developments
> there.
>
> I think you might not realize, but the iPhone will entirely change the
> cell phone industry. Nobody has a cell phone as advanced as the iPhone
> and can't for 17 years because of the 200+ patents on the iPhone.
>
> So join in the FUN, or live a life of poor quality phones for the next
> 17 years.
>
> The multi-touch party stars here:
>
> http://www.iphone.com/
>
In what ways, with the exception of the user interface, is the iPhone more
advanced?
Would it be the iPhone's lack of Video calling, lack of HSDPA data or would
it be its inability to record video via its feeble camera?
- 11-14-2007, 01:49 PM #24SnitGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
"John Mason" <[email protected]> stated in post
[email protected] on 11/14/07 12:46 PM:
>> The multi-touch party stars here:
>>
>> http://www.iphone.com/
>>
> In what ways, with the exception of the user interface, is the iPhone more
> advanced?
With the exception of the user interface? Why?
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- 11-14-2007, 01:51 PM #25OxfordGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> > except 90% of your waking life you are within range of the faster
> > 802.11 service.
>
> ...and within range of your computer, lessenig the need to surf the web,
> check e-mail, get directions or download music on a phone. (Did I cover
> the only things a connecte iPhone can do?)
you missed about 30 other things, but don't let that bother you.
> > 3G is only good if you are on the road or in some remote area.
>
> Precisely the places you'll us your phone- when your PC isn't available.
but you always have your PC with you anyway. or at least I do. I know
I'm a more advanced user that most, but still... the need to have 3G in
Africa doesn't really matter to me. In any metro area, open wireless is
everywhere... and the iPhone auto / real time shows the open networks
and joins them, so being on the slower 3G network is of little
importance.
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- 11-14-2007, 01:59 PM #26OxfordGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
> What makes it particularly ironic is that if he really uses Wi-Fi more
> than cellular, he can get a much better user experience with a Nokia N800.
> The Nokia's 800x480 screen may be somewhat short of "the full Internet" of
> a laptop with 1024x780 or better, but it's more than twice as good as the
> pathetic 320x480 in iPhone.
can't think of the last time i need to use cells for data, what would be
the point mark? using normal 802.11 is much faster.
but the Nokia screen is very poor at resolution, 800x480 doesn't mean
much if the screen is fuzzy, of poor quality. The iPhone far and away is
clearer than the Nokia at any resolution. It's all to do with Apple uses
better screens and has more control over those screens. Nokia doesn't
have any experience with video screens.
> Nokia even gives you a Skype card good for 3 months of unlimited free
> calls in the USA and Canada.
Yes, and you can use Skype with the iPhone, big deal.
> Of course, that doesn't help when there is no Wi-Fi, or the Wi-Fi sucks,
> or it's a technical conference where thousands of people are using the
> Wi-Fi simultaneously. For that, you have mobile phones; and that is when
> having a Verizon 3G phone really shines.
But not having WiFi is very rare. Just curious to you live in
Washington, a kinda "backwater technological" State? If so, now we know
why you get confused. Move to a more modern area and you'll see what I'm
talking about.
> And, since the Nokia N800 talks to any Bluetooth capable mobile phone on
> any network, it too can access the Internet via Verizon's 3G network.
>
> Meanwhile, the iPhone geeks are stuck with the local broken Wi-Fi or
> AT&T's pathetic 2G network on their little tiny screens. They're not
> allowed to use other networks.
The iPhone screen is bigger than most any Nokia, it's the biggest
screen'd small phone you can buy. What is broken WiFi? You mean symbian
WiFi or Windows WiFi. On OSX, WiFi works great.
> > Last weekend I was staying in a hotel which had free wifi, of course
> > the network connection was fast, but their internet connection sucked,
> > it obviously didn't have the bandwidth for all the hotel guest that
> > were using it.
>
> Since when is that NOT the case with hotel Wi-Fi?
Since forever, Jerry didn't know how to setup his wifi or was using a
windows machine. Macs wouldn't have that problem since they set all the
standards for wifi in the first place.
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- 11-14-2007, 02:18 PM #27CozmicDebrisGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:colalovesosx-
[email protected]:
>
> and actually 2/3rds of iphone users are new to AT&T.
>
No they weren't.
- 11-14-2007, 02:19 PM #28CozmicDebrisGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
Snit <[email protected]> wrote in
news:C3609F61.9945E%[email protected]:
> "John Mason" <[email protected]> stated in post
> [email protected] on 11/14/07 12:46 PM:
>
>>> The multi-touch party stars here:
>>>
>>> http://www.iphone.com/
>>>
>> In what ways, with the exception of the user interface, is the iPhone
>> more advanced?
>
> With the exception of the user interface? Why?
>
>
Because that function alone does not represent advanced cellular
functionality.
- 11-14-2007, 02:27 PM #29CozmicDebrisGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:colalovesosx-
[email protected]:
>
> but you always have your PC with you anyway. or at least I do.
Which shows you have no meaningful life.
> I know
> I'm a more advanced user that most,
Hardly, pinhead.
> but still... the need to have 3G in
> Africa doesn't really matter to me.
Had to look it up on a map to see where it was, didn't you?
> In any metro area, open wireless is
> everywhere...
That's only because you live in an area with lots of McDonalds.
> and the iPhone auto / real time shows the open networks
> and joins them, so being on the slower 3G network is of little
> importance.
>
> -
>
How do you know 3G is slower than the wifi you are using? I'm willing to
bet that a 3G connection is faster than more than 50% of the wifi spots you
hit. That is, of course assuming that you use more than the one at home
and the one at work- ya know, the one next to the fry machine.
- 11-14-2007, 02:29 PM #30SnitGuest
Re: Next Up - The iPhone in China
"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
[email protected] on 11/14/07 1:19 PM:
> Snit <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:C3609F61.9945E%[email protected]:
>
>> "John Mason" <[email protected]> stated in post
>> [email protected] on 11/14/07 12:46 PM:
>>
>>>> The multi-touch party stars here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.iphone.com/
>>>>
>>> In what ways, with the exception of the user interface, is the iPhone
>>> more advanced?
>>
>> With the exception of the user interface? Why?
>
> Because that function alone does not represent advanced cellular
> functionality.
A better UI allows for better use of functions by the user - the only
standard that matters. If you have a device with a million features but
most people cannot use them then what good is the device?
Note, I am not saying that the iPhone is the best phone on the planet or
whatever - just speaking in hypothetical terms.
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