Not getting an iPhone this Xmas

I just took the money I was saving for an iPhone, and decided that as
long as irs screen is smaller than 640 x 480 resolution, its not TRUE
Internet; and have ordered a Garmin GPS with Bluetooth, which costs
less and likely will be used more.

If iPhone 2 supports 3G, AT&T likely will charge $40/month for data,
like they do for 3G Smartphones.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Ron <[email protected]> wrote:

> I just took the money I was saving for an iPhone, and decided that as
> long as irs screen is smaller than 640 x 480 resolution, its not TRUE
> Internet; and have ordered a Garmin GPS with Bluetooth, which costs
> less and likely will be used more.
>
Despite the fact that you can enlarge the screen to any size you want?

I bought a cheapo Garmin for my car. Use it occasionally. They do make
good GPS units.

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:36:06 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I just took the money I was saving for an iPhone, and decided that as
>> long as irs screen is smaller than 640 x 480 resolution, its not TRUE
>> Internet; and have ordered a Garmin GPS with Bluetooth, which costs
>> less and likely will be used more.
>>
>Despite the fact that you can enlarge the screen to any size you want?

I see the demos of folks getting sore fingers pinching and stretching
trying to use a 3 1/2 inch screen like it was a 15 inch screen.
A technical marvel that Apple did that, but a royal pain for extended
browsing. I'm not a lawyer who receives boatloads of time-sensitive
critcal email every day, so the iPhone Visual email is not something
I require.

I'll stick with my old reliable Pismo when I'm on the road, and stop
at a McDonalds parking lot and use their WiFi.

A Garmin with bluetooth, allows wonderful handsfree use of ones
Bluetooth phone. The GPS prices are literally less than half of what
they were last year, and Garmin will provide a free update to the
"2008" maps if the unit you buy new doesn't have that included.

P.S. Both Apple and Garmin stock has doubled in value over the last 12
months.


>
>I bought a cheapo Garmin for my car. Use it occasionally. They do make
>good GPS units.

In article <[email protected]>,
Ron <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:36:06 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I just took the money I was saving for an iPhone, and decided that as
> >> long as irs screen is smaller than 640 x 480 resolution, its not TRUE
> >> Internet; and have ordered a Garmin GPS with Bluetooth, which costs
> >> less and likely will be used more.
> >>
> >Despite the fact that you can enlarge the screen to any size you want?
>
> I see the demos of folks getting sore fingers pinching and stretching
> trying to use a 3 1/2 inch screen like it was a 15 inch screen.
> A technical marvel that Apple did that, but a royal pain for extended
> browsing. I'm not a lawyer who receives boatloads of time-sensitive
> critcal email every day, so the iPhone Visual email is not something
> I require.
>
I use it everyday - works pretty fast, and because you can flip the page
horizontally, I often don't have to enlarge. It's all what you're
comfortable with.

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Previously on alt.cellular.attws, Kurt said:

> I use it everyday - works pretty fast, and because you can flip the page
> horizontally, I often don't have to enlarge. It's all what you're
> comfortable with.

Much to my surprise, I actually like the iPhone, in general. It's a
very slick device. However, I won't be getting one anytime soon
because it does have some drawbacks, some minor, some major, and one
fatal. Highlights:

* It's storage is non-expandable via memory cards (I have >17GB of
music files)
* It's battery is not user-replaceable
* It uses iTunes (though I presume Winamp would also work for
day-to-day music synching)
* I have a lot of use and money invested in my PalmOS applications and
there are no viable iPhone replacements for some of my must-have
items

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In article <[email protected]>,
Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Previously on alt.cellular.attws, Kurt said:
>
> > I use it everyday - works pretty fast, and because you can flip the page
> > horizontally, I often don't have to enlarge. It's all what you're
> > comfortable with.
>
> Much to my surprise, I actually like the iPhone, in general. It's a
> very slick device. However, I won't be getting one anytime soon
> because it does have some drawbacks, some minor, some major, and one
> fatal. Highlights:
>
> * It's storage is non-expandable via memory cards (I have >17GB of
> music files)
> * It's battery is not user-replaceable
> * It uses iTunes (though I presume Winamp would also work for
> day-to-day music synching)
> * I have a lot of use and money invested in my PalmOS applications and
> there are no viable iPhone replacements for some of my must-have
> items

I have an 80 gig ipod that does well for music on the road, but I'm an
audiophile, so CDs, LPs, and a honkin' stereo for me. I rotate stuff on
my iPhone to fit my week, anyway.

Had a few bux invested in Palm apps for my Treo, but none were to die
for. Was easy to transfer all Palm contacts over.

Had my Treo for 2 years, never changed battery. A non-issue for me.

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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on alt.cellular.attws, Kurt said:
>
>> I use it everyday - works pretty fast, and because you can flip the page
>> horizontally, I often don't have to enlarge. It's all what you're
>> comfortable with.
>
> Much to my surprise, I actually like the iPhone, in general. It's a
> very slick device. However, I won't be getting one anytime soon
> because it does have some drawbacks, some minor, some major, and one
> fatal. Highlights:
>
> * It's storage is non-expandable via memory cards (I have >17GB of
> music files)
> * It's battery is not user-replaceable
> * It uses iTunes (though I presume Winamp would also work for
> day-to-day music synching)
> * I have a lot of use and money invested in my PalmOS applications and
> there are no viable iPhone replacements for some of my must-have
> items
>
My GPS came installed in my Honda 5 yrs ago and I've loved every minute
of it. Will never buy another car without it.
And I love my IPhone too. Retired the 3G Nokia N75 3 months ago.
Iphone does everything I want/need. Even with the 4GB it's only half
full, I have enough movies and music to fill my free time. And my
fingers never tire from a few little stretch gestures, don't do much
pinching, and can't say I've heard of this...
I'd really like it if someday we only had about 5 phone models, like
with the old touchtone home models. Just so it does what I need without
having to know the name and model number, as well as read the whole
manual to be able to use it...

Previously on alt.cellular.attws, Kurt said:

> I have an 80 gig ipod that does well for music on the road, but I'm an
> audiophile, so CDs, LPs, and a honkin' stereo for me. I rotate stuff on
> my iPhone to fit my week, anyway.

For +me+, what works best is to have basically my entire digital music
collection with me on one device. 8G won't hold even half that.

> Had a few bux invested in Palm apps for my Treo, but none were to die
> for. Was easy to transfer all Palm contacts over.

One of my "must haves" is something that will synch with MS Money. On
the Palm, that's Ultrasoft Money. Another is an encrypted password
safe that also syncs to a Windows desktop. I suspect that the later
will happen once developers start working with the SDK, but I'm not
hopeful on the former.

> Had my Treo for 2 years, never changed battery. A non-issue for me.

I swap mine periodically. Moreso with the 680 than I did with the 650.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Previously on alt.cellular.attws, Kurt said:
>
> > I have an 80 gig ipod that does well for music on the road, but I'm an
> > audiophile, so CDs, LPs, and a honkin' stereo for me. I rotate stuff on
> > my iPhone to fit my week, anyway.
>
> For +me+, what works best is to have basically my entire digital music
> collection with me on one device. 8G won't hold even half that.

80GB won't hold all of mine (really). Maybe if super compressed, but
then crappy sound. I've got a collection acquired over many years.
>
> > Had a few bux invested in Palm apps for my Treo, but none were to die
> > for. Was easy to transfer all Palm contacts over.
>
> One of my "must haves" is something that will synch with MS Money. On
> the Palm, that's Ultrasoft Money. Another is an encrypted password
> safe that also syncs to a Windows desktop. I suspect that the later
> will happen once developers start working with the SDK, but I'm not
> hopeful on the former.

Yes, would never use that stuff on a PDA/Phone. Plus, no Windows for me.
Our office is all Mac.
>
> > Had my Treo for 2 years, never changed battery. A non-issue for me.
>
> I swap mine periodically. Moreso with the 680 than I did with the 650.

Yes, I had the 650, heard the 680 was more of a drainer. Mine charged
fully until the day I sold it.

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Previously on alt.cellular.attws, Kurt said:

> Yes, would never use that stuff on a PDA/Phone. Plus, no Windows for me.

I need the checkbook aspect in order to keep some semblance of orderly
finances, and the password safe thing so I can log into my email, etc,
which has a non-mnemonic password I can never remember, when I'm away
from my own computer. Etc.

> > I swap mine periodically. Moreso with the 680 than I did with the 650.
>
> Yes, I had the 650, heard the 680 was more of a drainer. Mine charged
> fully until the day I sold it.

It's not "more of a drainer", it's a smaller battery.

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:47:01 -0600, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:

>Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>> Previously on alt.cellular.attws, Kurt said:
>>
>>> I use it everyday - works pretty fast, and because you can flip the page
>>> horizontally, I often don't have to enlarge. It's all what you're
>>> comfortable with.
>>
>> Much to my surprise, I actually like the iPhone, in general. It's a
>> very slick device. However, I won't be getting one anytime soon
>> because it does have some drawbacks, some minor, some major, and one
>> fatal. Highlights:
>>
>> * It's storage is non-expandable via memory cards (I have >17GB of
>> music files)
>> * It's battery is not user-replaceable
>> * It uses iTunes (though I presume Winamp would also work for
>> day-to-day music synching)
>> * I have a lot of use and money invested in my PalmOS applications and
>> there are no viable iPhone replacements for some of my must-have
>> items
>>
>My GPS came installed in my Honda 5 yrs ago and I've loved every minute
>of it. Will never buy another car without it.

Many reviews of the Garmin GPS' say its far better than whatever was
built into their car.


>And I love my IPhone too. Retired the 3G Nokia N75 3 months ago.
>Iphone does everything I want/need. Even with the 4GB it's only half
>full, I have enough movies and music to fill my free time. And my
>fingers never tire from a few little stretch gestures, don't do much
>pinching, and can't say I've heard of this...


Then you dont browse for 30 or 60 minutes at a time.

"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:47:01 -0600, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>>> Previously on alt.cellular.attws, Kurt said:
>>>
>>>> I use it everyday - works pretty fast, and because you can flip the
>>>> page
>>>> horizontally, I often don't have to enlarge. It's all what you're
>>>> comfortable with.
>>>
>>> Much to my surprise, I actually like the iPhone, in general. It's a
>>> very slick device. However, I won't be getting one anytime soon
>>> because it does have some drawbacks, some minor, some major, and one
>>> fatal. Highlights:
>>>
>>> * It's storage is non-expandable via memory cards (I have >17GB of
>>> music files)
>>> * It's battery is not user-replaceable
>>> * It uses iTunes (though I presume Winamp would also work for
>>> day-to-day music synching)
>>> * I have a lot of use and money invested in my PalmOS applications and
>>> there are no viable iPhone replacements for some of my must-have
>>> items
>>>
>>My GPS came installed in my Honda 5 yrs ago and I've loved every minute
>>of it. Will never buy another car without it.
>
> Many reviews of the Garmin GPS' say its far better than whatever was
> built into their car.
>
This is true. My wife's lexus has one built in the dash from the
factory. I put my Garman
Nuvi 660 in there and it has a faster responce then the factory one.
>
>>And I love my IPhone too. Retired the 3G Nokia N75 3 months ago.
>>Iphone does everything I want/need. Even with the 4GB it's only half
>>full, I have enough movies and music to fill my free time. And my
>>fingers never tire from a few little stretch gestures, don't do much
>>pinching, and can't say I've heard of this...
>
>
> Then you dont browse for 30 or 60 minutes at a time.

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:36:56 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:47:01 -0600, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>> >> Previously on alt.cellular.attws, Kurt said:
>> >>
>> >>> I use it everyday - works pretty fast, and because you can flip the page
>> >>> horizontally, I often don't have to enlarge. It's all what you're
>> >>> comfortable with.
>> >>
>> >> Much to my surprise, I actually like the iPhone, in general. It's a
>> >> very slick device. However, I won't be getting one anytime soon
>> >> because it does have some drawbacks, some minor, some major, and one
>> >> fatal. Highlights:
>> >>
>> >> * It's storage is non-expandable via memory cards (I have >17GB of
>> >> music files)
>> >> * It's battery is not user-replaceable
>> >> * It uses iTunes (though I presume Winamp would also work for
>> >> day-to-day music synching)
>> >> * I have a lot of use and money invested in my PalmOS applications and
>> >> there are no viable iPhone replacements for some of my must-have
>> >> items
>> >>
>> >My GPS came installed in my Honda 5 yrs ago and I've loved every minute
>> >of it. Will never buy another car without it.
>>
>> Many reviews of the Garmin GPS' say its far better than whatever was
>> built into their car.
>>
>>
>> >And I love my IPhone too. Retired the 3G Nokia N75 3 months ago.
>> >Iphone does everything I want/need. Even with the 4GB it's only half
>> >full, I have enough movies and music to fill my free time. And my
>> >fingers never tire from a few little stretch gestures, don't do much
>> >pinching, and can't say I've heard of this...
>>
>>
>> Then you dont browse for 30 or 60 minutes at a time.
>
>I do. What's the problem?



You must be much younger than I not to get cramps or worse in your
fingers from using an iPhone for browsing over long periods

In article <[email protected]>,
Ron <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:36:56 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:47:01 -0600, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> >> >> Previously on alt.cellular.attws, Kurt said:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I use it everyday - works pretty fast, and because you can flip the
> >> >>> page
> >> >>> horizontally, I often don't have to enlarge. It's all what you're
> >> >>> comfortable with.
> >> >>
> >> >> Much to my surprise, I actually like the iPhone, in general. It's a
> >> >> very slick device. However, I won't be getting one anytime soon
> >> >> because it does have some drawbacks, some minor, some major, and one
> >> >> fatal. Highlights:
> >> >>
> >> >> * It's storage is non-expandable via memory cards (I have >17GB of
> >> >> music files)
> >> >> * It's battery is not user-replaceable
> >> >> * It uses iTunes (though I presume Winamp would also work for
> >> >> day-to-day music synching)
> >> >> * I have a lot of use and money invested in my PalmOS applications and
> >> >> there are no viable iPhone replacements for some of my must-have
> >> >> items
> >> >>
> >> >My GPS came installed in my Honda 5 yrs ago and I've loved every minute
> >> >of it. Will never buy another car without it.
> >>
> >> Many reviews of the Garmin GPS' say its far better than whatever was
> >> built into their car.
> >>
> >>
> >> >And I love my IPhone too. Retired the 3G Nokia N75 3 months ago.
> >> >Iphone does everything I want/need. Even with the 4GB it's only half
> >> >full, I have enough movies and music to fill my free time. And my
> >> >fingers never tire from a few little stretch gestures, don't do much
> >> >pinching, and can't say I've heard of this...
> >>
> >>
> >> Then you dont browse for 30 or 60 minutes at a time.
> >
> >I do. What's the problem?
>
>
>
> You must be much younger than I not to get cramps or worse in your
> fingers from using an iPhone for browsing over long periods

You've got to be kidding.
Probably older than you.
Never had "finger fatigue". LOL

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:30:15 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:36:56 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:47:01 -0600, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>> >> >> Previously on alt.cellular.attws, Kurt said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> I use it everyday - works pretty fast, and because you can flip the
>> >> >>> page
>> >> >>> horizontally, I often don't have to enlarge. It's all what you're
>> >> >>> comfortable with.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Much to my surprise, I actually like the iPhone, in general. It's a
>> >> >> very slick device. However, I won't be getting one anytime soon
>> >> >> because it does have some drawbacks, some minor, some major, and one
>> >> >> fatal. Highlights:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> * It's storage is non-expandable via memory cards (I have >17GB of
>> >> >> music files)
>> >> >> * It's battery is not user-replaceable
>> >> >> * It uses iTunes (though I presume Winamp would also work for
>> >> >> day-to-day music synching)
>> >> >> * I have a lot of use and money invested in my PalmOS applications and
>> >> >> there are no viable iPhone replacements for some of my must-have
>> >> >> items
>> >> >>
>> >> >My GPS came installed in my Honda 5 yrs ago and I've loved every minute
>> >> >of it. Will never buy another car without it.
>> >>
>> >> Many reviews of the Garmin GPS' say its far better than whatever was
>> >> built into their car.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >And I love my IPhone too. Retired the 3G Nokia N75 3 months ago.
>> >> >Iphone does everything I want/need. Even with the 4GB it's only half
>> >> >full, I have enough movies and music to fill my free time. And my
>> >> >fingers never tire from a few little stretch gestures, don't do much
>> >> >pinching, and can't say I've heard of this...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Then you dont browse for 30 or 60 minutes at a time.
>> >
>> >I do. What's the problem?
>>
>>
>>
>> You must be much younger than I not to get cramps or worse in your
>> fingers from using an iPhone for browsing over long periods
>
>You've got to be kidding.
>Probably older than you.
>Never had "finger fatigue". LOL


Don't break your arm, patting yourself on the back.

When and if there's an iPhone with a 640 x 480 screen
I'll reconsider. AT&T has already leaked that a 3G iPhone
is coming next year.

Meanwhile I'm loving my Garmin GPS.