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- 11-30-2007, 05:40 PM #16CozmicDebrisGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:5%[email protected]:
> At 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500 ned beaty wrote:
>> The iPhone just got even better!
>>
>> http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>
>
>
> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's
> spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and
> would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
>
>
>
He won't- he'll never acknowledge the thread.
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- 11-30-2007, 06:17 PM #17AnybodyGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
In article <[email protected]>, "Elmo
P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Scott Lawson" <[email protected],org> wrote:
>
> > Apple had no choice but to pre-announce 3G,
>
> 1) there is no such thing as "pre-announce"--it was simply announced, as
> opposed to shipped
>
> 2) Apple did no such thing. AT&T announced it. Apple remained mute on
> the subject, and expressed a 'we don't comment on product development'
> response when asked.
Almost, but not quite true. Steve Jobs has a few times reportedly said
that a 3G iPhone is in the works ...
Plans for using the faster 3G data connection in the iPhone
have not been secret. Steve Jobs has stated that a 3G iPhone
is coming, but that the delay is due to excessive battery
life consumption with existing 3G chipsets. The iPhone
presently uses the EDGE network for its data connectivity.
In reality his actual comment, back in September, was ..
"Our phone has a talk time of 8 hours and that's really
important when you want to use your phone for internet
and music. 3G needs to get back up to 5+ hours, something
we think well see later next year."
http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/19/...-in-the-works/
As well as at the MacWorld San Francisco 2007
Steve Jobs stated during the iPhone's Macworld San
Francisco 2007 keynote that they are planning on making
"3g phones and all sorts of other amazing things in the
future"
QuickTime clip (1.7MB):
http://images.macrumors.com/article/...iphoneplan.mov
- 11-30-2007, 07:27 PM #18TinmanGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 30 Nov 2007 13:18:30 -0700 Tinman wrote:
>
>> Then by your logic the only acceptable device is a battery in a box
>> that does nothing at all.
>
>
> I just bought one of those from Duracell. It's a clear blister pack
> apparently powered by the 4 AA batteries inside, that says it's good
> until Dec. 2013. ;-)
See what I'm talking about??!! Now *that's* good battery life.
--
Mike
- 11-30-2007, 11:18 PM #19AnybodyGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
In article <[email protected]>, "Elmo
P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <5%[email protected]>,
> Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > At 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500 ned beaty wrote:
> > > The iPhone just got even better!
> > >
> > > http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's spent
> > five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and would have
> > made it too bulky and power consuming!
>
> No, wait--complete the story.
>
> Steve Jobs can do no wrong and knows everything, and he knew for a fact
> that 3G was an unnecessary waste of battery power because everyone had
> constant access to WiFi.
>
> Steve Jobs is never wrong, therefore this "rumor" that AT&T put out must
> be nothing but bull****. Proof of that: Apple hasn't confirmed this
> "rumor".
>
> Since Steve Jobs has already spoken on how 3G isn't necessary, the
> circle is closed. 3G isn't necessary, will only weaken the battery
> unnecessarily, and therefore won't ever be provided.
>
> And the iPhone will be the only phone on the market in a few years.
Nope. Microsloth will make one and it'll sell only about 30,000 in two
years (with 39,999 of those "sold" to staff as Christmas bonuses). ;-)
- 11-30-2007, 11:19 PM #20Todd AllcockGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
At 30 Nov 2007 16:58:07 -0800 vic.healey wrote:
> Did you see that Verizon is throwing in
> the towel and planing to switch to GSM?
Gee, from your understanding of cellular, I'm guessing you must be another
"pen name" of our pal Oxford.
No, Verizon isn't "switching to GSM." They are planning to use the same 4G
system as Vodaphone, the European GSM carrier that owns 45% of Verizon
Wireless. The goa I assume, will be to allow data/voice interoperability
between future US CDMA 4G phones and European GSM 4G phones, similar to how
current Japanese wireless companies use WCDMA 3G data at 2100MHz on their
non-GSM system, allowing GSM interoperability with GSM 3G phones (at least
on that one band.)
Old news if you read the trades- this plan was leaked by Voda a month or so
ago, IIRC.
- 11-30-2007, 11:33 PM #21Todd AllcockGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
At 30 Nov 2007 14:37:39 -0600 Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> It seems they could have set up the iPhone so this sort of change could
be
> done with a software update.
3G requires 3G hardware.
If Apple could do that with a software update, maybe they could also
download a little printer into it, too!
- 11-30-2007, 11:39 PM #22OxfordGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's spent
> five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and would have
> made it too bulky and power consuming!
this is old news, apple will use 3G/4G/??, but they are working hard to
fix the current 3G chip design first, then helping AT&T build out the
network if Steve gives the go ahead.
Hard to say what the future of 3G is until that happens. Steve may go
with WiMax or 4G, or something entirely unseen at this point, so the
Cell Companies have to wait on Steve to show his hand until they can
move forward.
Hopefully that will be known Tuesday morning / Jan 15th in San Fran,
this is the same event that totally upstaged CES last year, so it's
going to be an impressive morning.
Only 45 days away...
Are you going?
http://www.macworldexpo.com/
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- 11-30-2007, 11:42 PM #23CozmicDebrisGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's
>> spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and
>> would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
>
> this is old news, apple will use 3G/4G/??,
You said they would never use 3g.
> but they are working hard
> to fix the current 3G chip design first,
No they're not- a real technology comapny will be providing the chip.
> then helping AT&T build out
> the network if Steve gives the go ahead.
False.
>
> Hard to say what the future of 3G is until that happens. Steve may go
> with WiMax or 4G, or something entirely unseen at this point, so the
> Cell Companies have to wait on Steve to show his hand until they can
> move forward.
Wait a minute- I don't see your free wifi on that list. Are you saying
that wifi will be dead soon?
>
- 12-01-2007, 12:20 AM #24OxfordGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> >> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's
> >> spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and
> >> would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
> >
> > this is old news, apple will use 3G/4G/??,
>
> You said they would never use 3g.
yes, not in its current form. it's abundantly clear the current 3G
chipset isn't up to Apple's engineering standards so they can't use it.
> > but they are working hard
> > to fix the current 3G chip design first,
>
> No they're not- a real technology comapny will be providing the chip.
Apple is one of the top engineering firms in the world. Remember when
they had to go into Intel and clean up their design processes? Apple is
the primary master of small electronics in the world. Nobody in the PC
side, MP3 side or Phone side can measure up to their level of skills
with chip design. If 3G is fixable, only Apple has the ability to do it.
If not, 4G or WiMax will be used.
> > then helping AT&T build out
> > the network if Steve gives the go ahead.
>
> False.
You have no clue do you Cozmic, quick talking out your ass and deal with
the facts.
> > Hard to say what the future of 3G is until that happens. Steve may go
> > with WiMax or 4G, or something entirely unseen at this point, so the
> > Cell Companies have to wait on Steve to show his hand until they can
> > move forward.
>
> Wait a minute- I don't see your free wifi on that list. Are you saying
> that wifi will be dead soon?
WiFi remains the primary data access method for iPhone users since it's
around twice as fast as 3G. Stick with facts Cozmic.
- 12-01-2007, 07:30 AM #25RonGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500, ned beaty <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The iPhone just got even better!
>
>http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
Not new iPhones. IPhones that may come out late in 2008.
There is no 3G iPhone you can go buy.
- 12-01-2007, 07:50 AM #26CharlesGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:
> No, Verizon isn't "switching to GSM." They are planning to use the same 4G
> system as Vodaphone, the European GSM carrier that owns 45% of Verizon
> Wireless. The goa I assume, will be to allow data/voice interoperability
> between future US CDMA 4G phones and European GSM 4G phones, similar to how
> current Japanese wireless companies use WCDMA 3G data at 2100MHz on their
> non-GSM system, allowing GSM interoperability with GSM 3G phones (at least
> on that one band.)
They are going to LTE for 4G which is the GSM upgrade to 4G, not the US
CDMA upgrade to 4G. You might not want to call it switching to GSM,
maybe evolving to the future GSM would be the way to put it, but in the
end Verizon will be on GSM.
--
Charles
- 12-01-2007, 08:55 AM #27OxfordGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > You said they would never use 3g.
> >
> > yes, not in its current form.
>
> Wait a minute.
>
> Please place the goalposts in one place.
the goal posts are solid... i've been quite careful to never say apple
wouldn't use 3G, it's just in its current form it's unworkable for a
quality based product.
> You never qualified it when you said that "Apple will never use 3G".
> Therefore, you can't qualify it now.
oh, but i can since its well documented that the problems with 3G are
coverage area & poor battery life. if/when those are resolved, 3G can be
used in a quality based product. that has never been a secret, except
perhaps to you.
> But Apple is going to use 3G. The cat's out of the bag. And you are
> outed as being the ignorant asshole you are.
And exactly when did Apple say they weren't? You just like to twist
facts, I do not.
- 12-01-2007, 10:09 AM #28OxfordGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > oh, but i can since its well documented that the problems with 3G are
> > coverage area & poor battery life. if/when those are resolved, 3G can be
> > used in a quality based product.
>
> Battery life and coverage area aren't functions of 3G. They're
> functions of the device and of management decisions on deployment.
not entirely, it's currently poor chip engineering.
> You said the iPhone would never do 3G. You are now trying to backtrack.
okay, please post a link where i said "the iPhone will never do 3G", i
never even said anything remotely close to that.
> You DO know your words are recorded for posterity, don't you?
ah, and you do know you have to provide evidence if you make such a
claim, don't you?
waiting.
- 12-01-2007, 10:12 AM #29OxfordGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > the goal posts are solid... i've been quite careful to never say apple
> > wouldn't use 3G,
>
> Bull****.
where is the proof?
waiting.
- 12-01-2007, 10:14 AM #30CozmicDebrisGuest
Re: New iPhones to use 3G network
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> >> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after
>> >> he's spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to
>> >> WiFi) and would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
>> >
>> > this is old news, apple will use 3G/4G/??,
>>
>> You said they would never use 3g.
>
> yes, not in its current form. it's abundantly clear the current 3G
> chipset isn't up to Apple's engineering standards so they can't use
> it.
Again- not what you originally said. You said that there was no need
for 3G on the iPhone and that Apple would never use the technology.
You were wrong- admit it.
>
>> > but they are working hard
>> > to fix the current 3G chip design first,
>>
>> No they're not- a real technology comapny will be providing the chip.
>
> Apple is one of the top engineering firms in the world. Remember when
> they had to go into Intel and clean up their design processes? Apple
> is the primary master of small electronics in the world. Nobody in the
> PC side, MP3 side or Phone side can measure up to their level of
> skills with chip design. If 3G is fixable, only Apple has the ability
> to do it. If not, 4G or WiMax will be used.
Really?
http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com...sooner-rather-
t
han-later/
"Broadcom began delivering samples of a low-power integrated device it
calls “a 3G Phone on a Chip” ... It will be available next year in bulk
for $23 apiece."
That doesn't look like Apple to me.
>
>> > then helping AT&T build out
>> > the network if Steve gives the go ahead.
>>
>> False.
>
> You have no clue do you Cozmic, quick talking out your ass and deal
> with the facts.
>
I am dealing with the facts- Apple has no input or control over the
network.
>> > Hard to say what the future of 3G is until that happens. Steve may
>> > go with WiMax or 4G, or something entirely unseen at this point, so
>> > the Cell Companies have to wait on Steve to show his hand until
>> > they can move forward.
>>
>> Wait a minute- I don't see your free wifi on that list. Are you
>> saying that wifi will be dead soon?
>
> WiFi remains the primary data access method for iPhone users since
> it's around twice as fast as 3G. Stick with facts Cozmic.
No it's not.
>
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