New iPhones to use 3G network

At 01 Dec 2007 08:50:00 -0500 Charles wrote:

> They are going to LTE for 4G which is the GSM upgrade to 4G, not the US
> CDMA upgrade to 4G.

While it's an upgrade to UMTS, the GSM 3G standard, keep in mind that these
advanced data standards have little to do with the original TDMA-based GSM
spec, and
are actually "wideband CDMA."

> You might not want to call it switching to GSM,
> maybe evolving to the future GSM would be the way to put it, but in the
> end Verizon will be on GSM.

The irony, of course, is back when GSM adopted W-CDMA as the GSM 3G standard,
many people posted on these NGs that GSM carriers were switching to CDMA!

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CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> Really?
>
> http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com...sooner-rather-
> t
> han-later/
>
> "Broadcom began delivering samples of a low-power integrated device it
> calls “a 3G Phone on a Chip” ... It will be available next year in bulk
> for $23 apiece."

yes, but last time I looked this was 2007.

> That doesn't look like Apple to me.

ah, but who is pulling the strings to make this happen. Apple.

stick with facts, Cozmic.

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> While it's an upgrade to UMTS, the GSM 3G standard, keep in mind that these
> advanced data standards have little to do with the original TDMA-based GSM
> spec, and
> are actually "wideband CDMA."

That is true but the essence of the matter is that most of the worlds
carriers will be evolving to the same 4G standard with Verizon's
choice.

> The irony, of course, is back when GSM adopted W-CDMA as the GSM 3G standard,
> many people posted on these NGs that GSM carriers were switching to CDMA!

Which meant little since the US CDMA and W-CDMA were not compatible.
But now Verizon and the GSM carriers will be evolving to the same 4G
standard. I prefer to say evolving rather than switching since from my
reading it does appear that the carriers can evolve to LTE from both US
CDMA and W-CDMA.

--
Charles

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:linuxlovesosx-
[email protected]:

> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> Really?
>>
>> http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com...sooner-rather-
>> t
>> han-later/
>>
>> "Broadcom began delivering samples of a low-power integrated device it
>> calls “a 3G Phone on a Chip” ... It will be available next year in bulk
>> for $23 apiece."
>
> yes, but last time I looked this was 2007.

Yes, but a 3G iPhone is not anticipated until late next year at the
earliest. By then, they won't be able to give it away.

>
>> That doesn't look like Apple to me.
>
> ah, but who is pulling the strings to make this happen. Apple.
>

Cite?

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500 ned beaty wrote:
>> The iPhone just got even better!
>>
>> http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>
>
>
> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's spent
> five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and would have
> made it too bulky and power consuming!
>
>

It won't be bulky and the power consumption will be lower. That's the
reason they didn't implement it yet.

nospamatall <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> Todd Allcock wrote:
>> At 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500 ned beaty wrote:
>>> The iPhone just got even better!
>>>
>>> http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's
>> spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and
>> would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
>>
>>
>
> It won't be bulky and the power consumption will be lower. That's the
> reason they didn't implement it yet.
>

My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life. Wanna try
again?

"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
[email protected] on 12/1/07 12:29 PM:

> nospamatall <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>> At 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500 ned beaty wrote:
>>>> The iPhone just got even better!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's
>>> spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and
>>> would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It won't be bulky and the power consumption will be lower. That's the
>> reason they didn't implement it yet.
>>
>
> My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life. Wanna try
> again?

What phone? How big is its screen?


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CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> >> "Broadcom began delivering samples of a low-power integrated device it
> >> calls “a 3G Phone on a Chip” ... It will be available next year in bulk
> >> for $23 apiece."
> >
> > yes, but last time I looked this was 2007.
>
> Yes, but a 3G iPhone is not anticipated until late next year at the
> earliest. By then, they won't be able to give it away.

how do you know that? if apple helps broadcom meet it's engineering
goals, it could happen in as many as 44 days. Remember the biggest
electronics event in on the west coast "macworld" happens on Jan 15th.

the iPhone is already far and away the best, highest revenue producing
phone of all time. got back from a client yesterday that already had 2,
but the mother said her 6 year old daughter was crying to get one of her
own for christmas. wow...

> >> That doesn't look like Apple to me.
> >
> > ah, but who is pulling the strings to make this happen. Apple.
> >
>
> Cite?

www.apple.com

and

www.fortune.com

SJ, ranked the most powerful business man in the world...

http://snipurl.com/1uh91

facts can hurt... sorry Cozmic for being so truthful...

In article <C3770777.9BC77%[email protected]>, Snit
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
> [email protected] on 12/1/07 12:29 PM:
>
> > nospamatall <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> >
> >> Todd Allcock wrote:
> >>> At 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500 ned beaty wrote:
> >>>> The iPhone just got even better!
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's
> >>> spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and
> >>> would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> It won't be bulky and the power consumption will be lower. That's the
> >> reason they didn't implement it yet.
> >>
> >
> > My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life. Wanna try
> > again?
>
> What phone? How big is its screen?

And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> >> "Broadcom began delivering samples of a low-power integrated
>> >> device it calls “a 3G Phone on a Chip” ... It will be available
>> >> next year in bulk for $23 apiece."
>> >
>> > yes, but last time I looked this was 2007.
>>
>> Yes, but a 3G iPhone is not anticipated until late next year at the
>> earliest. By then, they won't be able to give it away.
>
> how do you know that?


It's a publicly stated fact.


> if apple helps broadcom meet it's engineering
> goals, it could happen in as many as 44 days. Remember the biggest
> electronics event in on the west coast "macworld" happens on Jan 15th.

Never happen.

>
> the iPhone is already far and away the best, highest revenue producing
> phone of all time. got back from a client yesterday that already had
> 2, but the mother said her 6 year old daughter was crying to get one
> of her own for christmas. wow...
>

So, Apple is greedy. That kind of blows your whole portrayal of them.

Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
news:021220070929502839%[email protected]:

> In article <C3770777.9BC77%[email protected]>, Snit
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>> [email protected] on 12/1/07 12:29 PM:
>>
>> > nospamatall <[email protected]> wrote in
>> > news:[email protected]:
>> >
>> >> Todd Allcock wrote:
>> >>> At 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500 ned beaty wrote:
>> >>>> The iPhone just got even better!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after
>> >>> he's spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to
>> >>> WiFi) and would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> It won't be bulky and the power consumption will be lower. That's
>> >> the reason they didn't implement it yet.
>> >>
>> >
>> > My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
>> > Wanna try again?
>>
>> What phone? How big is its screen?
>
> And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
> touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
>

I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.

Does the iPhone do any of that? Nope, didn't think so.

"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
[email protected] on 12/1/07 1:45 PM:

> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:021220070929502839%[email protected]:
>
>> In article <C3770777.9BC77%[email protected]>, Snit
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>>> [email protected] on 12/1/07 12:29 PM:
>>>
>>>> nospamatall <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>>>>> At 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500 ned beaty wrote:
>>>>>>> The iPhone just got even better!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after
>>>>>> he's spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to
>>>>>> WiFi) and would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It won't be bulky and the power consumption will be lower. That's
>>>>> the reason they didn't implement it yet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
>>>> Wanna try again?
>>>
>>> What phone? How big is its screen?
>>
>> And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
>> touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
>>
>
> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>
> Does the iPhone do any of that? Nope, didn't think so.

So they each do things the other does not. OK. What one do you have...
just curious.


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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:45:45 -0600, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>
> Does the iPhone do any of that? Nope, didn't think so.

You really need to go look at the specs for the iPhone.
then do get back to us.

When you do get back to us, let us know what make and
model your phone is and also the carrier, so we can all have a
good laugh.

--
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There they are, a conga line of suckholes on the conservative side
of Australian politics. - Mark Latham, Former Australian Labour Leader

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:12:30 -0700, Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
> "CozmicDebris" <[email protected]> stated in post
> [email protected] on 12/1/07 1:45 PM:
>>
>> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
>> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>>
>> Does the iPhone do any of that? Nope, didn't think so.
>
> So they each do things the other does not. OK. What one do you have...
> just curious.

Out of the box, the iPhone syncs to my business e-mail.
With ssh, who needs a local word processor? GPS? What about
Google maps?


--
Mr Howard and his government are just yes-men to the United States.
There they are, a conga line of suckholes on the conservative side
of Australian politics. - Mark Latham, Former Australian Labour Leader

In article <[email protected]>,
CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:021220070929502839%[email protected]:

> > And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
> > touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
> >
>
> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>
> Does the iPhone do any of that? Nope, didn't think so.

Is there any particular reason you expected Apple to make a
business-oriented smartphone? Is is because Apple so heavily targets
businesses with the Mac and the iPod?

Oh, wait. They don't.

The iPhone is, of course, not selling into the same market as your
device. It's selling into a relatively untapped and potentially far
larger market, namely the market for consumer-oriented media player
smartphones.

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