New iPhones to use 3G network

In article <[email protected]>, CozmicDebris
<isheforreal> wrote:

> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:021220070929502839%[email protected]:
>
> > In article <C3770777.9BC77%[email protected]>, Snit
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
> >> [email protected] on 12/1/07 12:29 PM:
> >>
> >> > nospamatall <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> > news:[email protected]:
> >> >
> >> >> Todd Allcock wrote:
> >> >>> At 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500 ned beaty wrote:
> >> >>>> The iPhone just got even better!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after
> >> >>> he's spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to
> >> >>> WiFi) and would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
> >> >>
> >> >> It won't be bulky and the power consumption will be lower. That's
> >> >> the reason they didn't implement it yet.
> >> >
> >> > My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
> >> > Wanna try again?
> >>
> >> What phone? How big is its screen?
> >
> > And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
> > touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
>
> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>
> Does the iPhone do any of that? Nope, didn't think so.

Anyone actually doing word processing on a mobile phone is an idiot -
the screens are simply too small and the "keyboards" too fiddly, Get a
lsptop / notebook computer instead. Having said that, I can see a point
for being able to READ files and perhaps do very minor updates, and the
iPhone has a full Safari web browser so can use any of the gorwing
number of "Office" web applications.

Email problems would depend on what you mean by "sync to", but the
iPhone can easily handle email.

I don't know anything about GPS on or off the iPhone.

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Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in news:021220071355001019%
[email protected]:


>
> Anyone actually doing word processing on a mobile phone is an idiot -
> the screens are simply too small and the "keyboards" too fiddly,

Not if you need to make quick changes on the fly.

> Get a
> lsptop / notebook computer instead.

Got one. Takes too long to boot up and connect at times. It's also not
always attached at the hip like the phone.

In article <[email protected]>, CozmicDebris
<isheforreal> wrote:

> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in news:021220071355001019%
> [email protected]:
> >
> > Anyone actually doing word processing on a mobile phone is an idiot -
> > the screens are simply too small and the "keyboards" too fiddly,
>
> Not if you need to make quick changes on the fly.

I did say basically that further on, although you still have to then
re-sync it back to your computer anyway.



> > Get a laptop / notebook computer instead.
>
> Got one. Takes too long to boot up and connect at times.

Then leave it in Sleep mode, as long as you remember to "unsleep" it
and charge it occasionally. Better yet, get the rumoured new MacBook /
sub-MacBook if it becomes a reality - it doesn't have a hard drive. It
uses Flash RAM, so should be even faster to boot up.



> It's also not always attached at the hip like the phone.

But does have a decent keyboard and screen.

Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
news:021220071527577612%[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>, CozmicDebris
> <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:021220071355001019% [email protected]:
>> >
>> > Anyone actually doing word processing on a mobile phone is an idiot
>> > - the screens are simply too small and the "keyboards" too fiddly,
>>
>> Not if you need to make quick changes on the fly.
>
> I did say basically that further on, although you still have to then
> re-sync it back to your computer anyway.

No- it goes like this. I receive an email with an attchment that needs to
be reviewed and ammended. I pull up the attachment, make the necvessary
changes and send it back out. Because the phone is tied into my corporate
mail server, the sent item appears on my computer the next time I boot up.

>
>
>
>> > Get a laptop / notebook computer instead.
>>
>> Got one. Takes too long to boot up and connect at times.
>
> Then leave it in Sleep mode, as long as you remember to "unsleep" it
> and charge it occasionally. Better yet, get the rumoured new MacBook /
> sub-MacBook if it becomes a reality - it doesn't have a hard drive. It
> uses Flash RAM, so should be even faster to boot up.

But I have no need to do so. The laptop serves its purpose as portable
office, while the phone serves as a mobile connection to the outside world
that allows me to conduct business until I find the need for my "office."

>
>
>
>> It's also not always attached at the hip like the phone.
>
> But does have a decent keyboard and screen.
>

It's called a trade-off.

-hh <[email protected]> wrote in news:b78313b5-ff97-42e1-bb68-
[email protected]:

> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated:
>>
>> >> > My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
>> >> > Wanna try again?
>>
>> >> What phone? How big is its screen?
>>
>> > And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
>> > touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
>>
>> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
>> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>
> And yet this device lacks a manufacturer's name or model number.
>
> Amazing.
>
>
> -hh
>

It could one of dozens, couldn't it? Why is it so important to know which
one?

"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
[email protected] on 12/1/07 7:40 PM:

> -hh <[email protected]> wrote in news:b78313b5-ff97-42e1-bb68-
> [email protected]:
>
>> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>>> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated:
>>>
>>>>>> My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
>>>>>> Wanna try again?
>>>
>>>>> What phone? How big is its screen?
>>>
>>>> And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
>>>> touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
>>>
>>> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
>>> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>>
>> And yet this device lacks a manufacturer's name or model number.
>>
>> Amazing.
>>
>>
>> -hh
>>
>
> It could one of dozens, couldn't it? Why is it so important to know which
> one?

I would be curious to see how it *really* compares. What the iPhone has -
or at least is reported to have - is a UI that is likely going to
revolutionize the industry. This does not imply it has every feature every
other phone has, but when you just list features you show you are missing
the point of the iPhone - it is about usability, *not* a list of features to
brag about. In other words, it is about allowing people to do things - not
just having a device that can do those things if you are willing to put up
with them.

Does the iPhone live up to that hype? I do not know completely - but I will
bet that the UI of the cell phone in 5 years will be closer to the UI the
iPhone now has than to, say, the UI of your unnamed phone.

Of course, if you do not name your phone I can never lose that bet.


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In article <C3776C22.9BDB8%[email protected]>, Snit
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
> [email protected] on 12/1/07 7:40 PM:
>
> > -hh <[email protected]> wrote in news:b78313b5-ff97-42e1-bb68-
> > [email protected]:
> >
> >> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> >>> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated:
> >>>
> >>>>>> My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
> >>>>>> Wanna try again?
> >>>
> >>>>> What phone? How big is its screen?
> >>>
> >>>> And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
> >>>> touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
> >>>
> >>> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
> >>> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
> >>
> >> And yet this device lacks a manufacturer's name or model number.
> >>
> >> Amazing.
> >>
> >>
> >> -hh
> >>
> >
> > It could one of dozens, couldn't it? Why is it so important to know which
> > one?
>
> I would be curious to see how it *really* compares. What the iPhone has -
> or at least is reported to have - is a UI that is likely going to
> revolutionize the industry. This does not imply it has every feature every
> other phone has, but when you just list features you show you are missing
> the point of the iPhone - it is about usability, *not* a list of features to
> brag about. In other words, it is about allowing people to do things - not
> just having a device that can do those things if you are willing to put up
> with them.
>
> Does the iPhone live up to that hype? I do not know completely - but I will
> bet that the UI of the cell phone in 5 years will be closer to the UI the
> iPhone now has than to, say, the UI of your unnamed phone.
>
> Of course, if you do not name your phone I can never lose that bet.

Considering other companies are already coping it, that bet is already
on the way to being won.

Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
news:021220071558458851%[email protected]:

> In article <C3776C22.9BDB8%[email protected]>, Snit
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>> [email protected] on 12/1/07 7:40 PM:
>>
>> > -hh <[email protected]> wrote in
>> > news:b78313b5-ff97-42e1-bb68-
>> > [email protected]:
>> >
>> >> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> >>> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>> Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
>> >>>>>> Wanna try again?
>> >>>
>> >>>>> What phone? How big is its screen?
>> >>>
>> >>>> And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a
>> >>>> fully touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G,
>> >>> GPS, a word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>> >>
>> >> And yet this device lacks a manufacturer's name or model number.
>> >>
>> >> Amazing.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -hh
>> >>
>> >
>> > It could one of dozens, couldn't it? Why is it so important to
>> > know which one?
>>
>> I would be curious to see how it *really* compares. What the iPhone
>> has - or at least is reported to have - is a UI that is likely going
>> to revolutionize the industry. This does not imply it has every
>> feature every other phone has, but when you just list features you
>> show you are missing the point of the iPhone - it is about usability,
>> *not* a list of features to brag about. In other words, it is about
>> allowing people to do things - not just having a device that can do
>> those things if you are willing to put up with them.
>>
>> Does the iPhone live up to that hype? I do not know completely - but
>> I will bet that the UI of the cell phone in 5 years will be closer to
>> the UI the iPhone now has than to, say, the UI of your unnamed phone.
>>
>> Of course, if you do not name your phone I can never lose that bet.
>>
>
> Considering other companies are already coping it, that bet is already
> on the way to being won.
>

Or, it will be a flash in the pan and once the newness wears off, it
fades into the sunset, just like toouch screen interfaces for computers
did. It looks cool, but it is not something people look for in a
computing or communications product.

In article <[email protected]>, CozmicDebris
<isheforreal> wrote:

> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:021220071527577612%[email protected]:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, CozmicDebris
> > <isheforreal> wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> news:021220071355001019% [email protected]:
> >> >
> >> > Anyone actually doing word processing on a mobile phone is an idiot
> >> > - the screens are simply too small and the "keyboards" too fiddly,
> >>
> >> Not if you need to make quick changes on the fly.
> >
> > I did say basically that further on, although you still have to then
> > re-sync it back to your computer anyway.
>
> No- it goes like this. I receive an email with an attchment that needs to
> be reviewed and ammended. I pull up the attachment, make the necvessary
> changes and send it back out. Because the phone is tied into my corporate
> mail server, the sent item appears on my computer the next time I boot up.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >> > Get a laptop / notebook computer instead.
> >>
> >> Got one. Takes too long to boot up and connect at times.
> >
> > Then leave it in Sleep mode, as long as you remember to "unsleep" it
> > and charge it occasionally. Better yet, get the rumoured new MacBook /
> > sub-MacBook if it becomes a reality - it doesn't have a hard drive. It
> > uses Flash RAM, so should be even faster to boot up.
>
> But I have no need to do so. The laptop serves its purpose as portable
> office, while the phone serves as a mobile connection to the outside world
> that allows me to conduct business until I find the need for my "office."
>
> >
> >
> >
> >> It's also not always attached at the hip like the phone.
> >
> > But does have a decent keyboard and screen.
> >
>
> It's called a trade-off.

OK, whatever. I can see I'm wasting my time with this already. :-\

"Anybody" <[email protected]> stated in post
021220071558458851%[email protected] on 12/1/07 7:58 PM:

> In article <C3776C22.9BDB8%[email protected]>, Snit
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>> [email protected] on 12/1/07 7:40 PM:
>>
>>> -hh <[email protected]> wrote in news:b78313b5-ff97-42e1-bb68-
>>> [email protected]:
>>>
>>>> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>>>>> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
>>>>>>>> Wanna try again?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What phone? How big is its screen?
>>>>>
>>>>>> And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
>>>>>> touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
>>>>> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>>>>
>>>> And yet this device lacks a manufacturer's name or model number.
>>>>
>>>> Amazing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>>
>>> It could one of dozens, couldn't it? Why is it so important to know which
>>> one?
>>
>> I would be curious to see how it *really* compares. What the iPhone has -
>> or at least is reported to have - is a UI that is likely going to
>> revolutionize the industry. This does not imply it has every feature every
>> other phone has, but when you just list features you show you are missing
>> the point of the iPhone - it is about usability, *not* a list of features to
>> brag about. In other words, it is about allowing people to do things - not
>> just having a device that can do those things if you are willing to put up
>> with them.
>>
>> Does the iPhone live up to that hype? I do not know completely - but I will
>> bet that the UI of the cell phone in 5 years will be closer to the UI the
>> iPhone now has than to, say, the UI of your unnamed phone.
>>
>> Of course, if you do not name your phone I can never lose that bet.
>
> Considering other companies are already coping it, that bet is already
> on the way to being won.

Well, it *could* be a flash in the pan - and people will go back to the old
way (not accepting the iPhone or copy-cats) or someone will come up with
something even better... though if they do it likely will be from standing
on the shoulder of a giant.

Apple has made UI an issue in the phone market in a way it was not before.
That is a significant contribution no matter how you slice it.


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walnut paneling and an all leather interior.

Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
news:021220071612358921%[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>, CozmicDebris
> <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:021220071527577612%[email protected]:
>>
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
>> >> news:021220071355001019% [email protected]:
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone actually doing word processing on a mobile phone is an
>> >> > idiot - the screens are simply too small and the "keyboards" too
>> >> > fiddly,
>> >>
>> >> Not if you need to make quick changes on the fly.
>> >
>> > I did say basically that further on, although you still have to
>> > then re-sync it back to your computer anyway.
>>
>> No- it goes like this. I receive an email with an attchment that
>> needs to be reviewed and ammended. I pull up the attachment, make
>> the necvessary changes and send it back out. Because the phone is
>> tied into my corporate mail server, the sent item appears on my
>> computer the next time I boot up.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> > Get a laptop / notebook computer instead.
>> >>
>> >> Got one. Takes too long to boot up and connect at times.
>> >
>> > Then leave it in Sleep mode, as long as you remember to "unsleep"
>> > it and charge it occasionally. Better yet, get the rumoured new
>> > MacBook / sub-MacBook if it becomes a reality - it doesn't have a
>> > hard drive. It uses Flash RAM, so should be even faster to boot up.
>>
>> But I have no need to do so. The laptop serves its purpose as
>> portable office, while the phone serves as a mobile connection to the
>> outside world that allows me to conduct business until I find the
>> need for my "office."
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> It's also not always attached at the hip like the phone.
>> >
>> > But does have a decent keyboard and screen.
>> >
>>
>> It's called a trade-off.
>
> OK, whatever. I can see I'm wasting my time with this already. :-\


No, please- go on. Tell me how I have erred by having a portable
device, that while not the ideal, presents me with a way of doing
business seamlessly without having to bog myself down with a larger and
clumsier alternative.
>

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:14:34 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Julian Macassey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> You really need to go look at the specs for the iPhone.
>> then do get back to us.
>>
>> When you do get back to us, let us know what make and
>> model your phone is and also the carrier, so we can all have a
>> good laugh.
>
> Another Oxford sock puppet.

I am? the things I learn on usenet.


--
Mr Howard and his government are just yes-men to the United States.
There they are, a conga line of suckholes on the conservative side
of Australian politics. - Mark Latham, Former Australian Labour Leader

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:18:54 -0600, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in news:021220071355001019%
> [email protected]:
>
>> Get a
>> lsptop / notebook computer instead.
>
> Got one. Takes too long to boot up and connect at times.

If you had a Macbook, booting wouldn't be a problem.
Open the lid and away you go.

Syncs nicely with an iPhone too!

> It's also not always attached at the hip like the phone.

If you do real computer work, rather than posing, you
always keep a computer nearby.

--
Mr Howard and his government are just yes-men to the United States.
There they are, a conga line of suckholes on the conservative side
of Australian politics. - Mark Latham, Former Australian Labour Leader

Julian Macassey <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:18:54 -0600, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in news:021220071355001019%
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> Get a
>>> lsptop / notebook computer instead.
>>
>> Got one. Takes too long to boot up and connect at times.
>
> If you had a Macbook, booting wouldn't be a problem.
> Open the lid and away you go.

It would be just as much of a problem.

>
> Syncs nicely with an iPhone too!

Yippee!!

>
>> It's also not always attached at the hip like the phone.
>
> If you do real computer work, rather than posing, you
> always keep a computer nearby.
>

Where did I say that I didn't?

At 02 Dec 2007 13:55:00 +1300 Anybody wrote:

> Anyone actually doing word processing on a mobile phone is an idiot -
> the screens are simply too small and the "keyboards" too fiddly, Get a
> lsptop / notebook computer instead.

But that's the point for some of us. I use my phone (a Windows Mobile HTC
Wizard) to _replace_ a laptop when I travel. I'm not using it to write the
Great American Novel, But I can read and or edit Word and Excel documents
offline.

> Having said that, I can see a point
> for being able to READ files and perhaps do very minor updates, and the
> iPhone has a full Safari web browser so can use any of the gorwing
> number of "Office" web applications.

Which are slow and clunky compared to a local app and locally stored
documents.


> I don't know anything about GPS on or off the iPhone.


There's not much to know- the iPhone lacks an internal GPS (which is fairly
standard even today) but it strangely lacks the ability to connect to an
external BT GPS module, which is odd, considering it has all the necessary
hardware to. This renders the included Google Maps app oddly crippled
compared to the versions that run on other phones, including most
"dumbphones." That's an incredibly odd design decision, since it renders
th iPhone incapable of what today is a pretty basic feature, and one that
would cost essentially nothing to implement.