Did Apple just trump AT&T? It appears so...

Lawyers.
Contract terms.

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> This rings true of what I've been saying all along, it appears even AT&T
> is now scared of Apple and its business intentions...
>
> Keep in mind, the iPhone is only one small update away from making EVERY
> iPhone compatible with VoIP, then simply dropping the old cell network
> like a hot potato.
>
> AT&T needs to be very careful here, Apple is a much stronger company, so
> they need to play nice or end up like IBM.
>
> ---
>
> Important Parts Here:
>
> What I believe is troubling the relationship between AT&T and Apple is
> the upcoming auction for 700-MHz wireless spectrum and AT&T's discovery
> that -- as I have predicted for weeks -- Apple will be joining Google in
> bidding. AT&T thought its five-year "exclusive" iPhone agreement with
> Apple would have precluded such a bid, but that just shows how poorly
> Randall Stephenson understood Steve Jobs. Steve always hurts his friends
> to see how much they really love him, so AT&T probably should have
> expected this kind of corporate body blow.
>
> To his credit, Stephenson took the dispute to the streets this way,
> showing he isn't intimidated by Jobs. It was a bold and rare response
> for big business and was definitely unexpected by Cupertino, which won't
> underestimate AT&T again.
>
> I'm not privy to any inside details here, but there are two ways I can
> see Jobs rationalizing his auction position and they aren't necessarily
> exclusive. He could claim to intend the 700-MHz auction participation as
> a pure investment, just a good use for the $30+ billion Apple has
> squirreled away.
>
> Nah.
>
> Or Jobs could tell AT&T that Apple is investing solely in a DATA network
> for which it has no voice ambitions. Maybe all MacBooks will soon get
> 700-MHz access cards.
>
> This excuse rings truer, but of course it would still be a scam on
> Steve's part.
>
> It would not surprise me at all if this were the case and when the
> 700-MHz network is finally up and running Jobs claims astonishment that
> the most popular data application is Voice over IP, a direct competitor
> to AT&T Wireless. This may be part of the reason why Apple has been so
> slow approving third-party iPhone applications. Wouldn't your first
> application be a VoIP client?
>
> ---
>
> Full Article Here:
>
> http://snipurl.com/1uh83
>
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> apple has a very long history with phones and phone phreaking, so it
> will be interesting IF they bid, or tandem bid with Google.

Um, no. Jobs and Woz had a short period of time where they made money being
thieves building blue boxes to steal long distance service.

You've got your head so far up your ass you can practically see daylight
again.

"Bill Kearney" <wkearney-99@hot-mail-com> wrote:

> > apple has a very long history with phones and phone phreaking, so it
> > will be interesting IF they bid, or tandem bid with Google.
>
> Um, no. Jobs and Woz had a short period of time where they made money being
> thieves building blue boxes to steal long distance service.
>
> You've got your head so far up your ass you can practically see daylight
> again.

but apple continued to develop telephony ideas throughout its history.
knowledge navigator was a wireless phone concept, the shipping product
GeoPort was a telephony device. Apple developed several software only
phones, all long before the iPhone became so successful.

the difference is, i know Apple's history better than anyone posting
here, so this knowledge confuses many people, mainly the so called "cell
experts" which simply don't understand apple's deep, lifelong interest
in wireless communications.

they simply have no idea... i do...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1377/...3bffa46ca8.jpg

http://snipurl.com/1uim8

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Todd Allcock wrote:
> They don't have to build it, silly, they'll just use the existing TV
> station towers currently broadcasting on those frequencies, remember?
> Oxy's already explained all that... Remember the "instant network?"

I was about to say I didn't understand why he brought up the TV towers,
but then I remembered his obvious lack of understanding many topics - RF
propagation for one.

There is no advantage of placing an access point more than one hundred
feet above the average terrain...even if the tower space if free.

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
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> "Bill Kearney" <wkearney-99@hot-mail-com> wrote:
>
>> > apple has a very long history with phones and phone phreaking, so
>> > it will be interesting IF they bid, or tandem bid with Google.
>>
>> Um, no. Jobs and Woz had a short period of time where they made
>> money being thieves building blue boxes to steal long distance
>> service.
>>
>> You've got your head so far up your ass you can practically see
>> daylight again.
>
> but apple continued to develop telephony ideas throughout its history.
> knowledge navigator was a wireless phone concept, the shipping product
> GeoPort was a telephony device. Apple developed several software only
> phones, all long before the iPhone became so successful.

So they have no experience with hardware phones, only second rate software
solutions. Ehanks for clarifying.

>
> the difference is, i know Apple's history better than anyone posting
> here,

Not true.

> so this knowledge confuses many people,

No- your stupidity confuses many people.

> mainly the so called
> "cell experts" which simply don't understand apple's deep, lifelong
> interest in wireless communications.

We don't understand it because it doesn't exist.

>
> they simply have no idea... i do...
>

You barely understand how to power your computer on.

At 02 Dec 2007 10:16:32 -0800 PMP4Hire wrote:
> I am putting my money on Apple and Google, the
> senior management at AT & T is too old and
> fat to make things happen and deal with the
> complexities of today's technology.


Yet they're one of the largest broadbands ISPs- you remember- the guys who
are supplyingall that "fre wifi" tht make cellphones "obsolete?"


> AT & T is at best a fourth rate company with no vision
> of the future.


Just curious- how do decide which sock puppets are allowed to capitalize,
and which only post in lower case, Oxy?

On 2007-12-02 11:14:01 -0600, Oxford <[email protected]> said:
>
> the difference is, i know Apple's history better than anyone posting
> here, so this knowledge confuses many people, mainly the so called "cell
> experts" which simply don't understand apple's deep, lifelong interest
> in wireless communications.
>
> they simply have no idea... i do...

As I stated before...GO SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD! You are way to
stupid to live another minute. You are wasting oxygen that others can
use.
>

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<[email protected]>,
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

> the difference is, i know Apple's history better than anyone posting
> here,

Hey, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
in Steve Jobs's world?

Since you know Apple's history better than anyone posting here,
CERTAINLY you know the answer to THIS one.

Especially since the key to the answer was SPOON FED to you awhile back.

CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> >> You've got your head so far up your ass you can practically see
> >> daylight again.
> >
> > but apple continued to develop telephony ideas throughout its history.
> > knowledge navigator was a wireless phone concept, the shipping product
> > GeoPort was a telephony device. Apple developed several software only
> > phones, all long before the iPhone became so successful.
>
> So they have no experience with hardware phones, only second rate software
> solutions. Ehanks for clarifying.

ah, three hardware phones from apple...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1377/...3bffa46ca8.jpg

http://snipurl.com/1uim8

http://www.memoirevive.ch/newsservic...vsAppleModem.J
PG

apple as always built the best... so I guess the question is... why do
you hate quality so much?

> > the difference is, i know Apple's history better than anyone posting
> > here,
>
> Not true.

name someone better... bet you can't.

> > so this knowledge confuses many people,
>
> No- your stupidity confuses many people.

i only post facts, if you disagree, you are wrong. it's that simple.

> > mainly the so called
> > "cell experts" which simply don't understand apple's deep, lifelong
> > interest in wireless communications.
>
> We don't understand it because it doesn't exist.

oh, but watch a little video... which clearly proves my point. done
around 1989, long before most cell companies were around...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdS4TscWH8

> > they simply have no idea... i do...
> >
>
> You barely understand how to power your computer on.

yes, and that is because on a Mac you only turn it on ONCE, then let the
sophisticated hardware and software allow it to sleep / wake for the
rest of its life...

but you are still using a PC so wouldn't know much about sophisticated
computing equipment such as Apple builds.

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Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> >> You've got your head so far up your ass you can practically see
>> >> daylight again.
>> >
>> > but apple continued to develop telephony ideas throughout its
>> > history. knowledge navigator was a wireless phone concept, the
>> > shipping product GeoPort was a telephony device. Apple developed
>> > several software only phones, all long before the iPhone became so
>> > successful.
>>
>> So they have no experience with hardware phones, only second rate
>> software solutions. Ehanks for clarifying.
>
> ah, three hardware phones from apple...
>
> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1377/...3bffa46ca8.jpg
>
> http://snipurl.com/1uim8
>
> http://www.memoirevive.ch/newsservic...ortvsAppleMode
m
> .J PG

Hmm- I saw a modem, fax machine and a PDA.

>
> apple as always built the best... so I guess the question is... why do
> you hate quality so much?

I love quality. I love functionality. And that is why I don't have an
Apple.

>
>> > the difference is, i know Apple's history better than anyone
>> > posting here,
>>
>> Not true.
>
> name someone better... bet you can't.
>
>> > so this knowledge confuses many people,
>>
>> No- your stupidity confuses many people.
>
> i only post facts, if you disagree, you are wrong. it's that simple.

No- you post the stupid rantings of someone wanting to have SJ's baby.

>
>> > mainly the so called
>> > "cell experts" which simply don't understand apple's deep, lifelong
>> > interest in wireless communications.
>>
>> We don't understand it because it doesn't exist.
>
> oh, but watch a little video... which clearly proves my point. done
> around 1989, long before most cell companies were around...

I have a lifelong interest in space exploration. By your standards,
that would qualify me to run NASA.

>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdS4TscWH8
>
>> > they simply have no idea... i do...
>> >
>>
>> You barely understand how to power your computer on.
>
> yes, and that is because on a Mac you only turn it on ONCE, then let
> the sophisticated hardware and software allow it to sleep / wake for
> the rest of its life...

THat's simply proof that computers have been made for the
developmentally challenged, such as yourself.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hey, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
> in Steve Jobs's world?

After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.

Yes, who is Adele Goldberg and what did she do for Apple/SJ? You were
close with Milk and Cookies... but you might have been wrong if it was
actually Punch and Cookies.

So if you don't know and the world doesn't know, it confirms she did
nothing for Apple/SJ.

> Since you know Apple's history better than anyone posting here,
> CERTAINLY you know the answer to THIS one.
>
> Especially since the key to the answer was SPOON FED to you awhile back.

It was? Nobody on usenet knows, Adele certainly doesn't know, only YOU
know.

Please provide your long hidden secret... everyone is DYING to know!

I'm sure we'll all get a great chuckle when you finally tell everyone.

Oxford wrote:
> oh, but watch a little video... which clearly proves my point. done
> around 1989, long before most cell companies were around...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdS4TscWH8

What point were you trying to prove.

All that video shows is a dream list of vaporware.

"O x f o r d" <[email protected]> stated in post
[email protected] on 12/2/07 4:46 PM:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hey, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
>> in Steve Jobs's world?
>
> After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
> of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.

He did not want Jobs to see the famous Xerox tour... and would only do so if
under "orders". Atkinson has described that tour as an inspiration and as
something that helped them know they were already on the right track. Jobs
and company understood the importance of the graphical system far better
than did the Xerox management.



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DTC <[email protected]> wrote:

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdS4TscWH8
>
> What point were you trying to prove.
>
> All that video shows is a dream list of vaporware.

not sure what you mean, apple has every portion in place except for the
foldable screen and a bit of AI.

wireless is there, www is there, built in camera is there, voice rec is
there, multi-touch screen is there, ichat is there.

and apple/sj popularized it all...

but thanks for playing DTC!

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> O x f o r d <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > Hey, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
>> > in Steve Jobs's world?
>>
>> After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
>> of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.
>
> You mean, after a search through your underwear and with you sticking
> your head in the sand and refusing to see the answer spoon fed to you,
> YOU haven't come up with the answer.
>
> Hint: the answer isn't in the sand, nor is it in your underwear.

Why is he doing this search trying to figure this all out ?
Did he not say he knows all when it comes to apple ?

The ofturd quote: Thanks for playing.