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O x f o r d wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> So effectively you are selling (as in an exchange of money) for letting
>>> people use your wireless connection?
>> Which means he is reselling his internet connection.
>>
>> Let me guess: his internet provider specifically disallows that on
>> their terms of service...
>
> but you are forgetting that TOS are unenforceable until there is
> something as draconian as metered service. all smart users LAUGH at TOSs.

OK...so as I understand what Oxford is saying, this does indeed involve
exchanging your wireless connection for money.

Directed to Oxford to answer...

Have you filed your necessary FCC paperwork? There are two
forms you need to submit.

The maximum possible fine for violations of these rules
could be as much as $130,000 per day with a maximum of
$1,325,000 per violation.

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O x f o r d <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > So effectively you are selling (as in an exchange of money) for
>> > letting people use your wireless connection?
>>
>> Which means he is reselling his internet connection.
>>
>> Let me guess: his internet provider specifically disallows that on
>> their terms of service...
>
> but you are forgetting that TOS are unenforceable until there is
> something as draconian as metered service. all smart users LAUGH at
> TOSs.
>
> so yes, i and everyone is free to sell their "idle bandwidth", as they
> see fit... it's just how it works.
>
> learn about the world Elmo, don't make stuff up...

Put your money where your mouth is, Oxtard. Tell us where we can take
advantage of these hotspots- not some one elses, yours.

At 08 Dec 2007 03:33:55 -0800 Kevin Weaver wrote:

> > only a few hundred, but have made $34 bucks in 2 months, not bad...
> >
> > you'll understand when you move up to making money off your idle
> > bandwidth.
> >
> Wow, 34.00 for 2 months. Quick, Call brinks armored truck service.

Hey, that'd pay for half of my ISP charges. If I thought for one minute he
was tellingthe truth, and I could make half that, I'd sign up!

But, seeing how I've never once been greeted by a FON sign-in page ever,
nor do I think anyone would park on my Cul-de-sac for my "reasonably priced
WiFi," I'll file this in the "blowing smoke" category!

At 08 Dec 2007 13:21:31 -0600 DTC wrote:

> OK...so as I understand what Oxford is saying, this does indeed
> involve exchanging your wireless connection for money.
>
> Directed to Oxford to answer...
>
> Have you filed your necessary FCC paperwork? There are two
> forms you need to submit.
He probably doesn't need to as he technically isn't the actual service
provider. The company FON, who supplies the router is- they collect the
payments and kick-back a small commission to the router's owner.

It's a great idea (for FON.) I wished I thoufght of it first- they aren't
in the WiFi business, they're in the "sell suckers some branded routers"
business, and according to their website's maps, they've sold a few thousand.

"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Wow, 34.00 for 2 months. Quick, Call brinks armored truck service.

or $204 a year, or about half my DSL bill each year.

sweet!

O x f o r d wrote:
> "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Wow, 34.00 for 2 months. Quick, Call brinks armored truck service.
>
> or $204 a year, or about half my DSL bill each year.
>
> sweet!
Wow your connection is expensive

O x f o r d wrote:
> "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Wow, 34.00 for 2 months. Quick, Call brinks armored truck service.
>
> or $204 a year, or about half my DSL bill each year.
>
> sweet!

Wow you pay $408 a year for DSL? What speeds do you get?

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 08 Dec 2007 13:21:31 -0600 DTC wrote:
>
>> OK...so as I understand what Oxford is saying, this does indeed
>> involve exchanging your wireless connection for money.
>>
>> Directed to Oxford to answer...
>>
>> Have you filed your necessary FCC paperwork? There are two
>> forms you need to submit.
> He probably doesn't need to as he technically isn't the actual service
> provider. The company FON, who supplies the router is- they collect the
> payments and kick-back a small commission to the router's owner.
>
> It's a great idea (for FON.) I wished I thoufght of it first- they aren't
> in the WiFi business, they're in the "sell suckers some branded routers"
> business, and according to their website's maps, they've sold a few thousand.


It applies to a facilities based provider.

Regardless who does the actual billing, Oxtard is providing the wireless
transmission facilities.

O x f o r d wrote:
> DTC <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Directed to Oxford to answer...
>>
>> Have you filed your necessary FCC paperwork? There are two
>> forms you need to submit.
>>
>> The maximum possible fine for violations of these rules
>> could be as much as $130,000 per day with a maximum of
>> $1,325,000 per violation.
>
> doesn't apply to base stations. try again.

Where does the FCC use the phrase "base stations" in the applicable
descriptions of the aforementioned forms? Try again.

Oh wait...you likely don't even know the forms they want to to provide.

But then, you could quickly start "goggling" for that information.

O x f o r d" <[email protected]> wrote:
> but you are forgetting that TOS are unenforceable until there is
> something as draconian as metered service. all smart users LAUGH at TOSs.

Agreed -- freedom is an important value for most users. I think it's great
that our ISPs don't lock down their network hardware so that, say, the
network would stop working whenever you attempted to use unauthorized 3rd
party software.

~None

In news:[email protected],
Jon <[email protected]> typed:
> O x f o r d wrote:
>> "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, 34.00 for 2 months. Quick, Call brinks armored truck service.
>>
>> or $204 a year, or about half my DSL bill each year.
>>
>> sweet!
>
> Wow you pay $408 a year for DSL? What speeds do you get?


He probably has the ultimate DSL package so he an support the 250 people
parked around his house using his "FREE" open WiFi. lol

IMHO IIRC wrote:
> In news:[email protected],
> Jon <[email protected]> typed:
>> O x f o r d wrote:
>>> "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, 34.00 for 2 months. Quick, Call brinks armored truck service.
>>> or $204 a year, or about half my DSL bill each year.
>>>
>>> sweet!
>> Wow you pay $408 a year for DSL? What speeds do you get?
>
>
> He probably has the ultimate DSL package so he an support the 250 people
> parked around his house using his "FREE" open WiFi. lol
>
>
>
Yea, that is way to expensive for a connection to the internet.

I only pay $200 a year for 5M down/512k up cable connection

"IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:

> >> or $204 a year, or about half my DSL bill each year.
> >>
> >> sweet!
> >
> > Wow you pay $408 a year for DSL? What speeds do you get?

nothing too speedy, about 1300 kb/s down - 740 up

what are you getting wise tonight?

http://www.speedtest.net/

> He probably has the ultimate DSL package so he an support the 250 people
> parked around his house using his "FREE" open WiFi. lol

nope, i never allow more than 10.

O x f o r d <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> or $204 a year, or about half my DSL bill each year.
>> >>
>> >> sweet!
>> >
>> > Wow you pay $408 a year for DSL? What speeds do you get?
>
> nothing too speedy, about 1300 kb/s down - 740 up

And you tell everyone you're on the cutting edge? I'm getting 8400 down
and 1460 up tonight and spend about half of what you're paying. Of course,
it simply continues to peove that Apple fanbois pay way too much for way
too little performance.

But I'm sure those slow speeds are fine for your little Fisher Price
macbook.

>
> what are you getting wise tonight?
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/
>
>> He probably has the ultimate DSL package so he an support the 250
>> people parked around his house using his "FREE" open WiFi. lol
>
> nope, i never allow more than 10.

10 on that connection will drop it down to slow dialup speeds.

>

Jon <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yea, that is way to expensive for a connection to the internet.
>
> I only pay $200 a year for 5M down/512k up cable connection

you're probably forgetting taxes / fees, etc...

so you are only paying $16.50 a month for DSL? very doubtful, but if
so... where?