iPhone Climbs Past Entire NA Windows Mobile Market

Larry wrote:
> nospamatall <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> I know who I want to win.
>
> I know who I want to win, too. I want the gummit bureaucrats to quit
> taking bribes from the telecom fatcats who are doing everything they can do
> to stop Wifi rollout, which threatens their ****ty little SELLphone data
> service ripoff.
>
> It'll never happen...just like the rest of the media business with gummit
> under their thumbs and the public taking it up the a$$.
>
> Larry

So who should pay for the cost of designing/building/maintaining a
"free" nationwide WiFi network?

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George <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Larry wrote:
>> nospamatall <[email protected]> wrote in news:fk1t4l$mar$1
@aioe.org:
>>
>>> I know who I want to win.
>>
>> I know who I want to win, too. I want the gummit bureaucrats to
quit
>> taking bribes from the telecom fatcats who are doing everything
they
>> can do to stop Wifi rollout, which threatens their ****ty little
>> SELLphone data service ripoff.
>>
>> It'll never happen...just like the rest of the media business with
>> gummit under their thumbs and the public taking it up the a$$.
>>
>> Larry
>
> So who should pay for the cost of designing/building/maintaining a
> "free" nationwide WiFi network?
>

Same people who pay for any public UTILITY. Gas, electric, water,
sewer, no difference. What the DIFFERENCE is is the PUBLIC, who
vote, would have control over how it's run....not taking the ****
every SELLphone customer has to take with 5GB/month, no this, no that
like they get now.

Larry
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Larry wrote:

>> So who should pay for the cost of designing/building/maintaining a
>> "free" nationwide WiFi network?
>>
>
> Same people who pay for any public UTILITY. Gas, electric, water,
> sewer, no difference. What the DIFFERENCE is is the PUBLIC, who
> vote, would have control over how it's run....not taking the ****
> every SELLphone customer has to take with 5GB/month, no this, no that
> like they get now.
>
> Larry

I see, maybe like the turnpike where it costs me an extra $0.07/mile to
drive on one of the crappiest roads around or maybe like the regional
public water authority that has one of the highest rates for water
service in the country?

"Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=7348&tag=nl.e622
>
> http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com...rt-the-iphone/
>
> Doesn’t natively support push business email or over-the-air calendar
> sync. …
>
> Doesn’t accommodate third-party applications, including those internally
> developed. …
>
> Doesn’t support securing data on the device through encryption.
>
> Can’t be remotely locked or wiped in the event of a lost or stolen
> device. …
>
> Lacks a hard keypad that provides feedback, which isn’t ideal for rapid
> and accurate input. …
>
> Has limited service provider support and its carrier lock-in inhibits
> flexibility. …
>
> Comes with a premium price tag. …
>
> Is only the first generation. …
>
> Lacks a removable battery, so when the battery kicks it, so does the
> device. …
>
> Lacks case studies of firms that have deployed it enterprisewide. …

Mostly true, but it isn't a PDA for business use, it's an iPod, quad-band
phone, and web browser. Comparing it to the Blackberry or other Windows
Mobile devices doesn't make all that much sense.

You left out three really strange features missing from the iPhone--wireless
syncing, voice dialing and support for stereo Bluetooth headphones. I'm sure
that these will be added in the next generation.

However, while the battery is not user-replaceable, you don't throw the
device away when you need a new battery. You either send it to Apple, or go
to a third-party provider that can replace it, or buy a kit and do it
yourself.

There are a lot of features Apple could add if they wanted to appeal to the
corporate market, including 3G, slideout keyboard, replaceable battery,
sync-capability to Outlook, Corporate Time, Yahoo and Google calendar, GPS,
3rd party application support,, MicroSD support, bluetooth Syncing, WiFi
syncing, etc., but that isn't their target market. They want to keep the
iPhone simple and easy to use, not turn it into another Blackberry.

The question for Apple is how to address stagnant sales. All over the world,
reports are pouring in about slowing sales. In the U.S., they raised the
limit from two to five when they decided that they'd at least like to sell
more hardware, even without the AT&T revenue. In Germany it's been almost a
total flop, with T-Mobile selling only about 700 per day (mainly due to the
lack of 3G because much of Germany has no EDGE network, and using the iPhone
on GPRS is very painful). With iPhone sales stalled, it's likely the the 2nd
generation iPhone will address some of the missing features. In the UK sales
have been slow. The problem for Apple is that the iPhone is six months old,
and that's a generation in terms of phones. There are already many new
devices that have more features and ease of use that is almost as good,
though they all lack one key advantage of the iPhone, and that's the huge
amount of internal flash.

Personally I don't think the price is "premium" considering you can buy it
with no contract required. An 8GB iPod Nano cost $190. A quad-band unlocked
GSM phone costs about $180. You're up to $370 already, without a web-browser
and WiFi. So if you were going to buy these two devices anyway, the iPhone
isn't outrageously priced. I know two people (other than Apple employees and
spouses) with iPhones, both are using them on T-Mobile, and 19% of the
iPhones sold have not been activated on AT&T. That's nearly 1 in 5 iPhones
that have presumably been unlocked and are being used on other networks.

An iPhone costs $400 plus another $30-35 if you want it unlocked, which is
not unreasonable compared to the cost of other unlocked smart phones.

In short, the iPhone is neither as bad as some of its detractors claim, nor
as wonderful as the fan-boys like Oxford would like people to believe. As
with most technology devices, you don't want to run out and buy the first
version because invariably there will be missing features.

Larry wrote:
> George <[email protected]> wrote in
>> So who should pay for the cost of designing/building/maintaining a
>> "free" nationwide WiFi network?
>>
>
> Same people who pay for any public UTILITY. Gas, electric, water,
> sewer, no difference. What the DIFFERENCE is is the PUBLIC, who
> vote, would have control over how it's run....not taking the ****
> every SELLphone customer has to take with 5GB/month, no this, no that
> like they get now.
>
> Larry

Do you really think the public is going to pay for the foot print of a
24 dB fade margin deployment within the same foot print that cellular
companies provide?

Roughly 25 towers per square mile in the middle of a Kansas wheat field.

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote:
> In theory, sure, but in the Real World (tm) you deal with what de facto
> standards are in use. The business world is using Exchange and BES.

Anything that tends to push the world away from proprietary 'standards' is a
good thing, IMO.

> most corporations and certainly
> government agencies aren't going to open up IMAP access so their employees
> can run around with iPhones

Maybe not, but they might do it so they can integrate e-mail and calendars
with the rest of their intranet apps using something like Zimbra.

~None

In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 16 Dec 2007 04:57:08 +0000 none wrote:
> > "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > and no, Oxford, IMAP isn't a
> > > replacement for true Exchange/BES access
> >
> > Huh...why not? With imap idle, it should be -- though the iphone doesn't
> > support imap idle, so this point is somewhat irrelevant to the current
> > discussion.
>
>
> In theory, sure, but in the Real World (tm) you deal with what de facto
> standards are in use. The business world is using Exchange and BES. So an
> e-mail phone better support one or both, or you'll be carrying two phones-
> one for playing your Hootie and the Blowfish MP3s, and one to get your
> corporate e-mail...

Good thing, then, that the iPhone is a media player phone, rather than
an e-mail phone.

--
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about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
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George <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I see, maybe like the turnpike where it costs me an extra
$0.07/mile to
> drive on one of the crappiest roads around or maybe like the
regional
> public water authority that has one of the highest rates for water
> service in the country?
>
>

.....And, what,specifically, havee YOU done to change what you don't
like...besides ***** at me about it?

Nothing?

Larry
--
Merry Christmas!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_NhFS4xEE

DTC <[email protected]> wrote in news:qgc9j.6130$Dt4.2398
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:

> Larry wrote:
>> George <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> So who should pay for the cost of designing/building/maintaining
a
>>> "free" nationwide WiFi network?
>>>
>>
>> Same people who pay for any public UTILITY. Gas, electric, water,
>> sewer, no difference. What the DIFFERENCE is is the PUBLIC, who
>> vote, would have control over how it's run....not taking the ****
>> every SELLphone customer has to take with 5GB/month, no this, no
that
>> like they get now.
>>
>> Larry
>
> Do you really think the public is going to pay for the foot print
of a
> 24 dB fade margin deployment within the same foot print that
cellular
> companies provide?
>
> Roughly 25 towers per square mile in the middle of a Kansas wheat
field.
>

Nope. SELLular doesn't have that kind of signal in Kansas wheat
fields, either. Hell, ATT has NO signal in rural SC.

Your extreme argument, is absurd. MUNICIPLE wifi will go in where
the voters want it.

Larry

--
Merry Christmas!
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At 16 Dec 2007 16:06:48 -0500 ZnU wrote:

> Good thing, then, that the iPhone is a media player phone, rather than
> an e-mail phone.


Agreed. Now if our boy Oxford would listen to you...

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Nope. SELLular doesn't have that kind of signal in Kansas wheat
> fields, either. Hell, ATT has NO signal in rural SC.

How the hell would YOU know? All you know is Verizon. You don't know
ANY other provider.

SELL that.

Larry wrote:
> George <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I see, maybe like the turnpike where it costs me an extra
> $0.07/mile to
>> drive on one of the crappiest roads around or maybe like the
> regional
>> public water authority that has one of the highest rates for water
>> service in the country?
>>
>>
>
> ....And, what,specifically, havee YOU done to change what you don't
> like...besides ***** at me about it?
>
> Nothing?
>
> Larry

Vote for the people who say they want less government and vote to fire
those who don't and always contact their offices to let them know how I
think they are doing.

The last thing I want is for the government to pull more money out of my
and other taxpayers pockets so you can have "free" wireless.

You may thing your current "sellphone" thing is cute but it makes you
look silly because most people realize the government could never do a
better job and it wouldn't be "free".

In article <[email protected]>,
George <[email protected]> wrote:

> You may thing your current "sellphone" thing is cute but it makes you
> look silly because most people realize the government could never do a
> better job and it wouldn't be "free".

Not to mention, he uses that "SELLphone" thing in his postings because
he uses Verizon, which does sell every little feature on the phone--and
he thinks that every OTHER provider does it the same way, locking you
out of features unless you pony up a few bucks a month for the privilege.

In other words, larry is a few beers short of a six pack.

"Ray Goldenberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You may thing your current "sellphone" thing is cute but it makes you
>> look silly because most people realize the government could never do a
>> better job and it wouldn't be "free".
>
> Not to mention, he uses that "SELLphone" thing in his postings because
> he uses Verizon, which does sell every little feature on the phone--and
> he thinks that every OTHER provider does it the same way, locking you
> out of features unless you pony up a few bucks a month for the privilege.
>
> In other words, larry is a few beers short of a six pack.
>
>

Ray, it's well beyond that.....

Larry doesn't USE Verizon - he uses Alltel.
He just hangs out here to be a pain in the ass.
And ***** and be negative as much as possible.

(Then there are always the conspiracies and anti-Semitism)

"Ray Goldenberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Nope. SELLular doesn't have that kind of signal in Kansas wheat
>> fields, either. Hell, ATT has NO signal in rural SC.
>
> How the hell would YOU know? All you know is Verizon. You don't know
> ANY other provider.
>
> SELL that.
>

Larry is on Altel. Not Verizon.