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  1. #1
    4phun
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    The whole GSM vs CDMA debate is pretty much over for most of the
    world, all you have to look at is the graph of the competing
    standards:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C...technology.svg

    Notice the other line about subscriber growth too.





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  2. #2
    Diamond Dave
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    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:48:09 -0800 (PST), 4phun <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >The whole GSM vs CDMA debate is pretty much over for most of the
    >world, all you have to look at is the graph of the competing
    >standards:
    >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C...technology.svg
    >
    >Notice the other line about subscriber growth too.
    >


    They probably would have gone CDMA if they struck a deal with Verizon.





  3. #3
    Traveling Man
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    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:57:30 -0500, Diamond Dave wrote:

    > On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:48:09 -0800 (PST), 4phun <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>The whole GSM vs CDMA debate is pretty much over for most of the
    >>world, all you have to look at is the graph of the competing
    >>standards:
    >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C...technology.svg
    >>
    >>Notice the other line about subscriber growth too.
    >>

    >
    > They probably would have gone CDMA if they struck a deal with Verizon.


    Yep. It's all about money.



  4. #4
    mindfrost82
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    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?


    Apple wanted too much control over the phone and the profits, so Sprint
    and Verizon both declined the offer because of the amount of control
    Apple wanted, at least that's what I read back when it first launched.
    So its not so much GSM vs CDMA as it was control over the product.

    If you've noticed, all commercials for it seemed to have been by Apple.
    I haven't seen any AT&T commercials advertising the iPhone like they do
    other phones.


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  5. #5
    DevilsPGD
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    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    In message <[email protected]> mindfrost82
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Apple wanted too much control over the phone and the profits, so Sprint
    >and Verizon both declined the offer because of the amount of control
    >Apple wanted, at least that's what I read back when it first launched.
    >So its not so much GSM vs CDMA as it was control over the product.


    GSM means the iPhone is ready to go world-wide, rather then only in a
    couple markets.

    Of course, had Apple gone with CDMA, there wouldn't be any issue at all
    with unlocking since with the recent exception of Verizon, CDMA carriers
    don't tend to be friendly with regards to phones on their network other
    then those which the carrier sold.

    All that being said, if Apple had really wanted to stop unlocking before
    it became a mainstream problem, embedding the SIM rather then making it
    user-changeable would have done wonders.

    >If you've noticed, all commercials for it seemed to have been by Apple.
    >I haven't seen any AT&T commercials advertising the iPhone like they do
    >other phones.


    The reason for this is somewhat debatable -- If someone else wants to
    market their product, and every sale of their product requires my
    product, why not let them do it and market my own product independently?



  6. #6

    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    On Feb 16, 8:58*pm, mindfrost82 <[email protected]
    mx.mindfrost82.com> wrote:
    > Apple wanted too much control over the phone and the profits, so Sprint
    > and Verizon both declined the offer because of the amount of control
    > Apple wanted, at least that's what I read back when it first launched.
    > So its not so much GSM vs CDMA as it was control over the product.
    >
    > If you've noticed, all commercials for it seemed to have been by Apple.
    > I haven't seen any AT&T commercials advertising the iPhone like they do
    > other phones.
    >
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    > View this thread:http://www.mindfrost82.com/showthread.php?t=113968


    AT&T advertizes other high end phones like the Nokia N95 or N96?



  7. #7
    Tim Smith
    Guest

    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    DevilsPGD <[email protected]> wrote:
    > GSM means the iPhone is ready to go world-wide, rather then only in a
    > couple markets.


    But that "couple markets" includes the USA and Japan. That's a pretty
    good couple of markets!

    --
    --Tim Smith



  8. #8
    Avi Goldstein
    Guest

    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    On 2008-02-16 16:40:46 -0600, Traveling Man <[email protected]> said:

    > On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:57:30 -0500, Diamond Dave wrote:
    >
    >> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:48:09 -0800 (PST), 4phun <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> The whole GSM vs CDMA debate is pretty much over for most of the
    >>> world, all you have to look at is the graph of the competing
    >>> standards:
    >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C...technology.svg
    >>>
    >>> Notice the other line about subscriber growth too.
    >>>

    >>
    >> They probably would have gone CDMA if they struck a deal with Verizon.

    >
    > Yep. It's all about money.


    Yeah, Apple actually approached Verizon before AT&T/Cingular about
    releasing the iPhone, but Verizon didn't like Apple's terms, and told
    them to fly a kite.




  9. #9
    DevilsPGD
    Guest

    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    In message <reply_in_group-4828FA.2157[email protected]> Tim
    Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > DevilsPGD <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> GSM means the iPhone is ready to go world-wide, rather then only in a
    >> couple markets.

    >
    >But that "couple markets" includes the USA and Japan. That's a pretty
    >good couple of markets!


    Japan is W-CDMA, which is not compatible with the CDMA protocol used in
    US and Canada. In other words, from a development point of view, the
    choice would be CDMA for US and Canada, CDMA for Japan, or GSM for most
    of the cellular coverage across the planet, including US and Canada.



  10. #10
    D. Stussy
    Guest

    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    "Scott in SoCal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:57:30 -0500, Diamond Dave
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >They probably would have gone CDMA if they struck a deal with Verizon.

    >
    > Eventually Apple will make both, just like Motorola does with the
    > RAZR.


    Or dual (one phone that does both GSM and CDMA).





  11. #11
    Charles
    Guest

    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    In article <[email protected]>, D. Stussy
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Or dual (one phone that does both GSM and CDMA).


    Since both AT&T and Verizon are planning to use the LTE standard in the
    future I doubt that Apple will ever make a CDMA phone.

    --
    Charles



  12. #12

    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    On Feb 17, 12:57*am, Tim Smith <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    >
    > *DevilsPGD <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > GSM means the iPhone is ready to go world-wide, rather then only in a
    > > couple markets.

    >
    > But that "couple markets" includes the USA and Japan. *That's a pretty
    > good couple of markets!
    >
    > --
    > --Tim Smith

    You must not have looked at that Wickopedia chart. CDMA is very little
    and dropping compared to GSM when you look at the world market.



  13. #13
    Carl
    Guest

    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    Scott in SoCal wrote:
    > On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:57:30 -0500, Diamond Dave
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> They probably would have gone CDMA if they struck a deal with
    >> Verizon.

    >
    > Eventually Apple will make both, just like Motorola does with the
    > RAZR.
    >

    I could be wrong about this, but I believe AT&T has a 5 year exclusivity
    agreement with Apple regarding the iPhone. If so, I wouldn't count on seeing
    a CDMA version for quite some time to come.





  14. #14
    David W Studeman
    Guest

    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    Avi Goldstein wrote:

    > On 2008-02-16 16:40:46 -0600, Traveling Man <[email protected]> said:
    >
    >> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:57:30 -0500, Diamond Dave wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:48:09 -0800 (PST), 4phun <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> The whole GSM vs CDMA debate is pretty much over for most of the
    >>>> world, all you have to look at is the graph of the competing
    >>>> standards:
    >>>>

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C...technology.svg
    >>>>
    >>>> Notice the other line about subscriber growth too.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> They probably would have gone CDMA if they struck a deal with Verizon.

    >>
    >> Yep. It's all about money.

    >
    > Yeah, Apple actually approached Verizon before AT&T/Cingular about
    > releasing the iPhone, but Verizon didn't like Apple's terms, and told
    > them to fly a kite.



    As AT&T is quickly learning as well just how rotten doing business with
    Apple is. I never thought I'd see the day when I considered a US cellular
    carrier the lesser of two evils in any debate.


    Dave



  15. #15
    David W Studeman
    Guest

    Re: Why did Apple choose GSM for the iPhone?

    DevilsPGD wrote:

    > In message <[email protected]> Tim
    > Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>In article <[email protected]>,
    >> DevilsPGD <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> GSM means the iPhone is ready to go world-wide, rather then only in a
    >>> couple markets.

    >>
    >>But that "couple markets" includes the USA and Japan. That's a pretty
    >>good couple of markets!

    >
    > Japan is W-CDMA, which is not compatible with the CDMA protocol used in
    > US and Canada. In other words, from a development point of view, the
    > choice would be CDMA for US and Canada, CDMA for Japan, or GSM for most
    > of the cellular coverage across the planet, including US and Canada.


    W-CDMA is UMTS/HSDPA which mainly applies to data anyway.


    Dave



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