new logging feature found (iPhone)

Tom Payne wrote:
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Well the iPhone hardware isn't perfect either. I was listening to an
>> electronics guru on a radio talk show this morning fawning over the
>> iPhone, until he got to the lack of 3G and admitted that web browsing
>> was just painfully slow.
>
> There are so many WiFi networks to choose from that very few iPhone
> users use the EDGE network ay all. At any given time I have at least 5
> open networks to choose from. And of course that makes the 3G look like
> dial-up.

You can't use the WiFi networks while moving, and free WiFi networks are
definitely not the norm everywhere in the world or even everywhere in
the U.S..

Unless Apple quickly comes out with the 3G model, they will continue to
miss their sales goals without further drastic price cuts. Actually what
the guy on KGO really wanted was an EVDO iPhone that worked on Sprint
and Verizon, but that's far in the future.

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SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:47e5a837$0$36394
[email protected]:

> really wanted was an EVDO iPhone that worked on Sprint
> and Verizon,

No, NO! Not on Verizon! An Iphone uses a lot of bandwidth (see the
131,000 page ATT bill video on YouTube...(c. Verizon is selling 5GB for
$60 PLUS FIFTY CENTS PER MEGABYTE OVER THAT! If iPhone was on Verizon,
you'd be getting those thousand dollar sellphone bills, again!

Editor's note - 50c/MB = $500/GB!

Sprint's ok....

In article <[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Unless Apple quickly comes out with the 3G model, they will continue to
> miss their sales goals without further drastic price cuts. Actually what
> the guy on KGO really wanted was an EVDO iPhone that worked on Sprint
> and Verizon, but that's far in the future.

I don't think they are missing their sales goals. And they are selling
plenty of iPhones with the Edge iPhone. I do think they will need the
3G model to reach their sales goal for 2008. I think the release of a
3G model and price cuts are built into their strategy of making their
goal.

--
Charles

News wrote:

> Bingo. iPhone is urban fanboi cafe-capable, but NOT a mobile platform.

But actually what Tom Payne wrote is probably partially true. Few iPhone
users use the EDGE network at all. This isn't because they don't want a
mobile platform, it's because they can't stand to use EDGE, so they seek
out places with WiFi.

OTOH, If every iPhone suddenly was using the HSDPA network, the 3G
network would be bogged down. It's already happened in Taiwan, where
FarEastone signed up far too many subscribers to their 3G service.

At 22 Mar 2008 19:49:54 -0700 SMS wrote:

> But actually what Tom Payne wrote is probably partially true.

Maybe. As they say, "even a broken clock is right twice a day."

> Few iPhone users use the EDGE network at all. This isn't because they
> don't want a mobile platform, it's because they can't stand to use EDGE,
> so they seek out places with WiFi.


EDGE works fine in a pinch. I doubt millions of iPhone users are wasting
even more time "seeking out WiFi" to check a movie listing or the weather.


> OTOH, If every iPhone suddenly was using the HSDPA network, the 3G
> network would be bogged down.


I suspect that would be (will be) controlled by pricing.

SMS wrote:
> News wrote:
>
>> Bingo. iPhone is urban fanboi cafe-capable, but NOT a mobile platform.
>
>
> But actually what Tom Payne wrote is probably partially true. Few iPhone
> users use the EDGE network at all. This isn't because they don't want a
> mobile platform, it's because they can't stand to use EDGE, so they seek
> out places with WiFi.
>


Indeed. Your comment confirms a static/urban/cafe-based iPhone user
base. Wifi offers no elegant hand-off and EDGE offers far less urban
coverage than GPRS, and almost zero suburban and rural coverage.

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote:

> You don't get around very much then. If you lived in a modern city, rather
> than Minneapolis, you wouldn't find it so easy, perhaps.
>
> > And of course that makes the 3G look like dial-up.
>
> How would you know? In prior posts you've told us you've never owned a cell
> phone prior to the iPhone,

I don't live in Minneapolis and I would venture a pretty safe guess that
I have cellphones that are older than you are. But at least you are
consistent with your "facts"

Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>
> EDGE works fine in a pinch. I doubt millions of iPhone users are
> wasting even more time "seeking out WiFi" to check a movie listing or
> the weather.
>

You would be right, of course. To be frank EDGE is not all that bad, for
what I use it for. The stuff I "need" to check on work pretty much the same
on EDGE or WiFi (BOA Website, stocks, weather, email, a few Web-based
forums, and the game Travian). Travian works great on the iPhone, and I
usually need to check up on my villages every hour or so (damned game sucks
you in like crack, and then starts to take over your life <g>).


--
Mike

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>...> They just started putting GPS chips in sellphones so the DEA can track
>you.
>
> Unfortunately, because it's a SELLphone, you are not allowed to USE the
> GPS
> you paid for....another stupid carrier decision.

GPS was imbedded in the CDMA chipset used by Sprint as announced by the CEO
of Growell at the development conference in Dallas June 2003. I still have,
but don't use, the Hitachi G1000 made available to developers at a wholesale
price at the conference. Unfortunately, Sprint would not let developers have
access to the lat-long. The GPS was used to comply with the e911
conventions. While not available to users for free, it was accurate within
30 feet as used by e911 during one time when I was following a guy so drunk
his station wagon was scraping the concrete walls of the freeway through
four cities.

LBS was available via e411 but at a price that I don't think ever became
popular.

GPS is working fine on the ATT Tilt and Blackjack II. Sprint announced two
weeks ago there is a software update for the Mogul that unlocks the GPS.

I have two Bluetooth GPS that I use with a ATT 8525 and a Blackjack. They
work fine BUT you are back to two devices, two units to charge, two car
chargers, two sets of cables, etc. If I have to have two devices, I'll take
a cell PDA with GPS built-in and a external 7"+ display.

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Yeah, but's that's less of an issue these days. I'm amazed at the
> reception abilities of modern day GPS receivers vs. older ones. My first
> GPS (a Pharos SiRF II CF card for an PocketPC) needed to be on the dash
> under the windshield. My latest (a BT GPS with a Nemerix chipset) works
> if I stuff it in the center console or even my pants pocket.

Just for grins, lay your Bluetooth GPS >next< to your cell phone.

Run a log of at least a half hour, then display it on Google Earth or
Virtual Earth to see if there are anomalies.

At 23 Mar 2008 12:34:07 -0700 Tinman wrote:

> You would be right, of course. To be frank EDGE is not all that bad, for
> what I use it for.

Agreed. Perhaps I'm too easy to please, but years ago I used to tether a
Casio E-100 Palm-sized PC (the precursor to the Pocket PC) to a 14.4k TDMA
data connection via infrared, so even the "slow" 150-200k sppeds of EDGE
seem like a perfect acceptable mobile data solution to me! That said, I'll
be happy to go to 3G when T-Mobile gets around to offering it later this
year, but 3G alone isn't important enough to me to swith carriers over.

At 23 Mar 2008 09:55:02 -0400 Tom Payne wrote:
> I don't live in Minneapolis and I would venture a pretty safe guess that
> I have cellphones that are older than you are. But at least you are
> consistent with your "facts"


My apologies if you aren't the latest nym-shift of our pal Oxford. You
certainly sound like him and have the same over-rated opinion of WiFi's
ubiquity.

For the record, I was born before the first Moon landing, so I doubt you
have any cellphones older than I. You may have phons older than mine- I'm
a relative newcomer to cellular- my first was a circa-1990 or so Nokia-
built Tandy CT-300 "brick" handheld with a data/fax interface topping out
at a speedy 7200bps on a good day.

At 23 Mar 2008 07:47:33 -0400 News wrote:

> Indeed. Your comment confirms a static/urban/cafe-based iPhone
> user base. Wifi offers no elegant hand-off and EDGE offers far less
> urban coverage than GPRS, and almost zero suburban and rural
> coverage.


To be fair, the lack of WiFi soft handoffs aren't a big problem for web
browsing or e-mail, particularly since the phone falls back to EDGE or GPRS
in-between. You get virtually seamless, albeit variable speed/quality,
connectivity. It really only becomes a problem with VoIP, since you'd drop
calls at each handoff, but that's a non-issue for the iPhone, since it
lacks any available VoIP client anyway.

At 23 Mar 2008 17:32:07 -0500 Thurman wrote:
>

> Just for grins, lay your Bluetooth GPS >next< to your cell phone.
>
> Run a log of at least a half hour, then display it on Google Earth or
> Virtual Earth to see if there are anomalies.


I'm aware that a bug in the Nemerix chipsets can sometimes report a false
position, but I've never seen it in use. That might be due to the "snap to
road" feature of most nav programs, however.

Or are you referring to something else?

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I'm aware that a bug in the Nemerix chipsets can sometimes report a
> false position, but I've never seen it in use. That might be due to
> the "snap to road" feature of most nav programs, however.
>
> Or are you referring to something else?
>
>
>

Take ANY GPS receiver that plots a track into any building canyon or into a
restaurant with a lot of windows so it can still hear signals. Doesn't
matter what it's "chipset" bugs are. PHYSICS and the physics of multipath
propagation rule the roost, here. When it loses direct view of the sky for
at LEAST 3 or 4 triangulating satellites, the REFLECTED signals coming a
longer path change the arrival times of the timed pulses, now arriving
late. The path it takes sitting still on a table will run all over the
property as any reflective vehicles cause different path lengths from the
sky to the receiver. It doesn't matter that the signals that show up on
the signal strength display are well above acceptable. It's the RF PATH
length, not the strength, causing the errors.

The distance this fixed position runs around on the display, IS the
distance difference in the various reflected paths from the birds to the
unit. If the unit is seeing 6 birds sitting here, it's the combined length
differences of the 6 signal paths....or 7 of 8 or 173.

It's amazing it can find its position at all....