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  1. #16
    Kevin Weaver
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    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by apple.
    Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be installed, It's all
    BS.

    Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
    What's it been, a year now and still nothing.


    "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On 2008-04-30 21:52:41 -0400, "B. Peg" <[email protected]> said:
    >>>> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their
    >>>> simpletons cannot use it nor want to.
    >>>
    >>> Lots of 3rd party web based software already, SDK built
    >>> software starting in July, which should assure lack of crashes so
    >>> common on Treo devices.

    >>
    >> Too bad Apple owner's cannot use it. Remember, the Apple is for those
    >> who
    >> don't like programming or playing with the technology. The power users
    >> will
    >> go to HTC where forums like XDA constantly write programs and hack the
    >> phones to tailer their needs.
    >>

    >
    >
    > Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all
    > doubt.
    >
    >
    > http://www.modmyifone.com/nativeapps/
    >





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  2. #17
    4phun
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    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    On Jun 1, 2:56*pm, "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    > At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by apple..
    > Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be installed, It's all
    > BS.
    >
    > Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
    > What's it been, a year now and still nothing.
    >


    Hmm

    My iPhone has screen after screen full of apps. So many I don't see
    any need to buy one from Apple at this time.
    It is so easy - even Larry could do it!

    Vic
    ki4je




  3. #18

    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    On Apr 29, 7:39*pm, aRKay <[email protected]> wrote:

    > The iPhone is very nice for those that can expense the cost.


    What is this load of bollocks? I see people repeating this statement
    like some kind of mantra.

    My cellphone bill went DOWN when I bought my iPhone. I was previously
    paying $49.95/mo (not including voice plan cost) for unlimited
    BlackBerry data. Now I pay $20/mo for unlimited iPhone data and I have
    the same voice plan. I wind up paying about $150/mo for two iPhones
    (wife's and mine) and two regular cellphones (for my in-laws) on a
    shared minutes plan.



  4. #19
    Michael
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    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    On 2008-06-01 14:56:33 -0400, "Kevin Weaver"
    <[email protected]> said:

    > At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by
    > apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be
    > installed, It's all BS.
    >
    > Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
    > What's it been, a year now and still nothing.
    >
    >
    > "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> On 2008-04-30 21:52:41 -0400, "B. Peg" <[email protected]> said:
    >>>>> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their
    >>>>> simpletons cannot use it nor want to.
    >>>>
    >>>> Lots of 3rd party web based software already, SDK built
    >>>> software starting in July, which should assure lack of crashes so
    >>>> common on Treo devices.
    >>>
    >>> Too bad Apple owner's cannot use it. Remember, the Apple is for those who
    >>> don't like programming or playing with the technology. The power users will
    >>> go to HTC where forums like XDA constantly write programs and hack the
    >>> phones to tailer their needs.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
    >>
    >>
    >> http://www.modmyifone.com/nativeapps/


    Are you just a total moron?

    There are tons of applications available, most for free. All created
    by Mac PROGRAMMERS without the SDK.

    Heard of UNIX? It's a bit more stable than Windows and it's the
    backbone of OSX.




  5. #20
    Kevin Weaver
    Guest

    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    You can install these to a stock iPhone without mods ?
    Are you talking about them cheese ball one's on the apple site ?
    Unless it has apple's ok, then the apps your talking about are not apps.

    Being the iTunes store is not open yet to sell software then there is none.

    How is the iPhone doing running flash ? Now go play with your iPhone.


    "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On 2008-06-01 14:56:33 -0400, "Kevin Weaver"
    > <[email protected]> said:
    >
    >> At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by
    >> apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be installed,
    >> It's all BS.
    >>
    >> Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
    >> What's it been, a year now and still nothing.
    >>
    >>
    >> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>> On 2008-04-30 21:52:41 -0400, "B. Peg" <[email protected]>
    >>> said:
    >>>>>> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their
    >>>>>> simpletons cannot use it nor want to.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Lots of 3rd party web based software already, SDK built
    >>>>> software starting in July, which should assure lack of crashes so
    >>>>> common on Treo devices.
    >>>>
    >>>> Too bad Apple owner's cannot use it. Remember, the Apple is for those
    >>>> who
    >>>> don't like programming or playing with the technology. The power users
    >>>> will
    >>>> go to HTC where forums like XDA constantly write programs and hack the
    >>>> phones to tailer their needs.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all
    >>> doubt.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> http://www.modmyifone.com/nativeapps/

    >
    > Are you just a total moron?
    >
    > There are tons of applications available, most for free. All created by
    > Mac PROGRAMMERS without the SDK.
    >
    > Heard of UNIX? It's a bit more stable than Windows and it's the backbone
    > of OSX.
    >





  6. #21
    Helpful Harry
    Guest

    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    In article
    <[email protected]m>,
    [email protected] wrote:

    > On Apr 29, 7:39*pm, aRKay <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > The iPhone is very nice for those that can expense the cost.

    >
    > What is this load of bollocks? I see people repeating this statement
    > like some kind of mantra.
    >
    > My cellphone bill went DOWN when I bought my iPhone. I was previously
    > paying $49.95/mo (not including voice plan cost) for unlimited
    > BlackBerry data. Now I pay $20/mo for unlimited iPhone data and I have
    > the same voice plan. I wind up paying about $150/mo for two iPhones
    > (wife's and mine) and two regular cellphones (for my in-laws) on a
    > shared minutes plan.


    That simply makes you in the minority, or simply had a stupidly
    expensive phone / plan before.

    The iPhone is priced at the upper end of mobile phones (although not
    the most expensive) and the data plans are expensive (largely because
    phone companies are being greedy) ... so the iPhone *IS* very expensive
    for many people.

    Personally I couldn't even justify buying one at even 1/10th of the
    current price.

    Helpful Harry
    Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)



  7. #22
    Larry
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    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by
    > apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be
    > installed, It's all BS.
    >
    > Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
    > What's it been, a year now and still nothing.
    >
    >


    The first app we need is a memory mapper and CPU load indicator.

    I'd sure be interested to see what the PHONE apps are costing the iPhone
    that cannot be used for running other apps. They occupy part of its
    limited RAM, its main EPROM and use lots of CPU cycles, even when you're
    not making a call. The comms with the towers take space and time, too.

    I think this is one of the reasons for the limited apps that come with
    it....and its lack of installable apps. If the user starts loading it up
    with Mac bloatware and the stylish graphics running for pretty, there just
    has to be a point at which the combo of user software and phone software
    overrrun the processor and RAM, either causing a crash or making the phone
    unusable. It has to be a phone FIRST....just like any smartphone.

    I don't think this is iPhone special. I think its why the smartphones run
    such simpleton browsers and apps as BREW or WM or Palm. It can't be a
    heavy duty computer and be a phone, too.....




  8. #23
    Larry
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    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:8c3479d8-9819-4e86-9ef1-
    [email protected]:

    > My iPhone has screen after screen full of apps. So many I don't see
    > any need to buy one from Apple at this time.
    > It is so easy - even Larry could do it!
    >
    > Vic
    > ki4je
    >
    >
    >


    Vic, how many apps can you run simultaneously and still talk to someone on
    the phone? I'm not talking about just installed apps using memory, I'm
    talking about apps actually doing something, using CPU cycles and accessing
    RAM. I heard it can only run one program at a time. Is that true?




  9. #24
    Larry
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    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote in news:48434bce$0$11633
    [email protected]:

    > Heard of UNIX? It's a bit more stable than Windows and it's the
    > backbone of OSX.
    >
    >


    This always intrigues me when someone says it. It may be true, but OSX
    programs are HUGE in comparison to Linux programs. Look here:
    https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_...release_id=594
    This is a video converter to make the big movies run smoother on the little
    tablet's limited resources. This is the download page, as this app runs on
    the PC, not the tablet.

    The latest release of this video converter has sizes of:
    Linux - 49KB
    Windoze - 3.83MB
    OSX - 7.5MB

    What am I missing? It's the same app. This is just one example.

    Unix/Linux programs are tiny, compared to Micr$oft bloatware. If OSX is
    Unix, you should be able to run Unix software. Why is it so big?




  10. #25
    Larry
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    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote in news:gFJ0k.7133
    [email protected]:

    > How is the iPhone doing running flash ? Now go play with your iPhone.
    >
    >


    Now, Kevin....It's not nice to bring up glaring deficiencies...




  11. #26
    Kevin Weaver
    Guest

    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones


    "4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Jun 1, 11:19 pm, "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    > You can install these to a stock iPhone without mods ?
    > Are you talking about them cheese ball one's on the apple site ?
    > Unless it has apple's ok, then the apps your talking about are not apps.
    >
    > Being the iTunes store is not open yet to sell software then there is
    > none.
    >
    > How is the iPhone doing running flash ? Now go play with your iPhone.
    >
    > "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    >
    >
    > > On 2008-06-01 14:56:33 -0400, "Kevin Weaver"
    > > <[email protected]> said:

    >
    > >> At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by
    > >> apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be
    > >> installed,
    > >> It's all BS.

    >
    > >> Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
    > >> What's it been, a year now and still nothing.

    >
    > >> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >>news:[email protected]
    > >>> On 2008-04-30 21:52:41 -0400, "B. Peg" <[email protected]>
    > >>> said:
    > >>>>>> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their
    > >>>>>> simpletons cannot use it nor want to.

    >
    > >>>>> Lots of 3rd party web based software already, SDK built
    > >>>>> software starting in July, which should assure lack of crashes so
    > >>>>> common on Treo devices.

    >
    > >>>> Too bad Apple owner's cannot use it. Remember, the Apple is for those
    > >>>> who
    > >>>> don't like programming or playing with the technology. The power
    > >>>> users
    > >>>> will
    > >>>> go to HTC where forums like XDA constantly write programs and hack
    > >>>> the
    > >>>> phones to tailer their needs.

    >
    > >>> Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove
    > >>> all
    > >>> doubt.

    >
    > >>>http://www.modmyifone.com/nativeapps/

    >
    > > Are you just a total moron?

    >
    > > There are tons of applications available, most for free. All created by
    > > Mac PROGRAMMERS without the SDK.

    >
    > > Heard of UNIX? It's a bit more stable than Windows and it's the backbone
    > > of OSX.- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    It takes a one time run of the Ziphone application a total of 45
    seconds to open any iPhone for freeware and paid applications. You can
    revirginize it using iTunes at any time if you need to return it to
    Apple. Once you get by the crayon stage in your posts of FUD you will
    begin to see even you could do it. As the Atlanta Journal Constitution
    wrote today it is by far the best ("an electronic jacknife of
    cellphones") multipurpose cell phone ever made and the easiest to use-
    most highly recomended to their readers.

    I rest my case. *Mods*





  12. #27
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    At 01 Jun 2008 18:23:00 -0700 [email protected] wrote:
    > On Apr 29, 7:39*pm, aRKay <[email protected]> wrote:


    > My cellphone bill went DOWN when I bought my iPhone. I was previously
    > paying $49.95/mo (not including voice plan cost) for unlimited
    > BlackBerry data. Now I pay $20/mo for unlimited iPhone data and I have
    > the same voice plan. I wind up paying about $150/mo for two iPhones
    > (wife's and mine) and two regular cellphones (for my in-laws) on a
    > shared minutes plan.



    Why were you paying $50 for Blackberry data, unless you needed access to a
    Blackberry Enterprise Server, which the iPhone can't access anyway? You're
    comparing Apples to oranges (or Blackberries.) Different data products
    entirely.

    You might as well say "my daily expense for lunch dropped from $30 to $5
    after buying an iPhone. That and I started going to McDonald's instead of
    Morton's..."






  13. #28
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

    At 02 Jun 2008 03:45:10 +0000 Larry wrote:

    > The first app we need is a memory mapper and CPU load indicator.
    >
    > I'd sure be interested to see what the PHONE apps are costing the iPhone
    > that cannot be used for running other apps. They occupy part of its
    > limited RAM, its main EPROM and use lots of CPU cycles, even when you're
    > not making a call. The comms with the towers take space and time, too.



    Actually, smartphones don't work that way.

    The "phone" is a completely separate chunck of the hardware under the hood
    that the "computer" (hardware and software) interfaces to, much like a
    modem or a printer on a desktop. This is how the "phone" can still
    function while the PDA is switched off. In my WinMo phone, for example,
    the phone even has a dedicated speaker- the OS has no access to the
    earpiece (a real pain for my VoIP software, which is forced to use the side
    mounted stereo speakers rather than the phone earpiece!)

    > I think this is one of the reasons for the limited apps that come with
    > it....and its lack of installable apps. If the user starts loading it up
    > with Mac bloatware and the stylish graphics running for pretty, there

    just
    > has to be a point at which the combo of user software and phone software
    > overrrun the processor and RAM, either causing a crash or making the

    phone
    > unusable. It has to be a phone FIRST....just like any smartphone.


    Not really- But when the device crashes, you lose UI control of the phone
    portion. Nothing is more frustrating than when the phone is "locked up"
    and you can't answer the incoming call the LEDs tell you is coming in
    because the UI won't respond to the "talk" button!

    > I don't think this is iPhone special. I think its why the smartphones

    run
    > such simpleton browsers and apps as BREW or WM or Palm. It can't be a
    > heavy duty computer and be a phone, too.....


    Why not? My WinMo phone runs a faster processor and has far more more
    memory and storage than my old DOS XT laptop did and has a multi-tasking OS
    that the laptop didn't. The real reason the devices are "stripped down" IMO,
    is that the industry (both Win and Mac) doesn't want to gut laptop sales.
    With Windows Mobile licenses at about $8, and XP/Vista licenses at about
    $25-30, which do think MS would rather sell? Even Steve-o wouldn't want
    each iPhone to equal one less MacBook in the world, would he?

    As long as the WinMo $8 licenses are sold as a supplement to, rather than a
    replacement of, a "real" Windows license, is MS happy. Therefore, (again,
    just my opinion) you won't be seeing any "laptop equivalent" phones anytime
    soon. This is also the reason, I think, that MS and Apple have stayed out
    of the "webtablet" biz, prefering to focus on tiny "Ultramobile" PCs or
    laptops that "fit in envelopes."






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