Just in time for new iPhone AT&T HSPA Roll Out Almost Done

posted Today, 9:43 AM by Eric M. Zeman

AT&T said that by the end of next month, its entire 3G wireless data
network will be upgraded to HSPA. It will then focus on expanding its
3G footprint from 275 markets to 350 by the end of 2008.

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Yeah, The same guy that said Edge was enough. Battery life would take a big
hit. That's why we (Apple) went with Edge. Quote from Jobs. The new one's
will not have a battery door, Battery life _Will Suck_ even more then it
does now.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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On May 21, 10:35 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> posted Today, 9:43 AM by Eric M. Zeman
>
> AT&T said that by the end of next month, its entire 3G wireless data
> network will be upgraded to HSPA. It will then focus on expanding its
> 3G footprint from 275 markets to 350 by the end of 2008.

More details and a comment from Infosync

The second half of June 2008 will mark a new era for AT&T. Will the
Apple 3G iPhone show up on AT&T with HSUPA support around the 18th of
June?

AT&T today announced that, in the next month, the company will deploy
High Speed Uplink Packet Access (HSUPA) technology in the six
remaining markets across AT&T's entire 3G wireless broadband network.
When done, AT&T will have completed its deployment of HSUPA
technology, which complements existing HSDPA technology, making AT&T
the only U.S. carrier to have fully deployed HSPA technology in its 3G
network. Today the turbo-3G AT&T network is available in more than 275
markets, but another 75 markets will get such coverage by the end of
the year.

With the new addition of HSUPA technology, AT&T 3G users are promised
upload speeds between 500 and 800 Kbps, complementing the maximum 1.4
Mbps download speeds. However, while a couple of HSUPA data cards have
already been added to AT&T's portfolio, the HSUPA multimedia
smartphones are still missing.

The grin on Steve Jobs' face during his upcoming keynote on June 9th,
if he slips AT&T's and America's first HSUPA multimedia smartphone out
of his pocket, will probably make all of us think how simple that must
have been. However, even giants like Nokia had their initial struggle
with implementing HSPA technology, so has Apple moved from EDGE to
HSPA in less than a year, it's quite an accomplishment.

Too good to be true some may say, and we honestly have no proof of
what exactly the Apple 3G iPhone will and will not offer. The only
thing we do know, is that the Apple 3G iPhone will likely be announced
on the 9th and released by AT&T on the 18th or 19th of June 2008,
perhaps to coincide with a real "AT&T HSPA party". Because, AT&T has
yet to make a big mainstream deal out of its latest network upgrade.

The carrier simply admits that equally as important as the network is
the device through with a customer experiences it; thus more 3G-
enabled smartphones will be released in the summer and fall of 2008.
So, what AT&T is really saying without actually saying it, is that
they are waiting for Apple, HTC and perhaps Sony Ericsson to start
shipping their HSUPA smartphones, and then first, the real action
begins. We agree with AT&T; the carrier would get some serious action
on its network by being host to the Apple 3G iPhone, HTC Diamond and
Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 when the holiday season arrives.

Between 2005 and 2008, AT&T will have invested more than $20 billion
in network improvements and upgrades - an average of $5 billion a
year. AT&T recently turned down its older TDMA network, and that will
allow the company to reuse valuable 850 MHz spectrum to expand and
enhance 3G markets. AT&T plans to adopt LTE (Long Term Evolution)
technology to reach even higher speeds in the long term. But before we
start wishing for a LTE iPhone, let's get this 3G iPhone launch over
with.

Kevin Weaver wrote:
> Yeah, The same guy that said Edge was enough. Battery life would take a
> big hit. That's why we (Apple) went with Edge. Quote from Jobs. The new
> one's will not have a battery door, Battery life _Will Suck_ even more
> then it does now.

Not in terms of bytes/watt-hour. Someone doing the same amount of data
transfer on the 3G model will have better battery life. Of course most
users will probably be doing a lot more web stuff once they get 3G, and
are willing to make the trade-off.

You can already get battery sleeves for the iPhone that extend the
battery life. While a user-replaceable battery would have been better in
some ways, it's just not part of Apple's design philosophy of minimizing
the number of points of failure on the device, with two less connectors,
and one less opening in the case.

Hopefully the 3G model will also add tethering capability, and it can be
powered by the big battery in the notebook.

SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:gLbZj.192$SN3.6
@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com:

> it's just not part of Apple's design philosophy of minimizing
> the number of points of failure on the device, with two less
connectors,
> and one less opening in the case.
>

....and all this time I thought it was so they could make it
cheaper...

Larry wrote:
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:gLbZj.192$SN3.6
> @flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com:
>
>
>>it's just not part of Apple's design philosophy of minimizing
>>the number of points of failure on the device, with two less
>
> connectors,
>
>>and one less opening in the case.
>>
>
>
> ...and all this time I thought it was so they could make it
> cheaper...


....or that fanbois couldn't deal with connectors and orifices.

"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Kevin Weaver wrote:
>> Yeah, The same guy that said Edge was enough. Battery life would take a
>> big hit. That's why we (Apple) went with Edge. Quote from Jobs. The new
>> one's will not have a battery door, Battery life _Will Suck_ even more
>> then it does now.
>
> Not in terms of bytes/watt-hour. Someone doing the same amount of data
> transfer on the 3G model will have better battery life. Of course most
> users will probably be doing a lot more web stuff once they get 3G, and
> are willing to make the trade-off.

Thats not what Jobs said when asked why was 3G not in the 1st round. He said
3G uses more battery then edge.
>
> You can already get battery sleeves for the iPhone that extend the battery
> life. While a user-replaceable battery would have been better in some
> ways, it's just not part of Apple's design philosophy of minimizing the
> number of points of failure on the device, with two less connectors, and
> one less opening in the case.

So one has to attach a battery sleeve to get pass the battery life flaw ? So
end's that sexy and slim quote that Jobs talks about.
IF that were true about less connectors to address a POF then why do they
offer user replacement batterys for there laptops ?

I've owned cell phones for over 10 years. I've never had a failure due to
replacement of a battery. Thats Apple talk for screwing the end user. To
have to send it to apple to get it replaced when it's dead is just more $$
for apple. And at some point in time it will need to be replaced. There just
wanting the user to buy a new phone.
>
> Hopefully the 3G model will also add tethering capability, and it can be
> powered by the big battery in the notebook.

AT&T is not going to allow that under there all you can use iPhone plan. You
can already use the usb plug to charge the iPhone. Plug it into any usb port
and it charges.

News <[email protected]> wrote in news:
[email protected]:

>
>
> Larry wrote:
>> SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:gLbZj.192$SN3.6
>> @flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>
>>>it's just not part of Apple's design philosophy of minimizing
>>>the number of points of failure on the device, with two less
>>
>> connectors,
>>
>>>and one less opening in the case.
>>>
>>
>>
>> ...and all this time I thought it was so they could make it
>> cheaper...
>
>
> ...or that fanbois couldn't deal with connectors and orifices.
>

heeee hee

"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> o one has to attach a battery sleeve to get pass the battery life
flaw
> ? So end's that sexy and slim quote that Jobs talks about.
> IF that were true about less connectors to address a POF then why
do
> they offer user replacement batterys for there laptops ?
>
>

I'm sitting here typing on the Nokia BT folding keyboard paired to my
Nokia N800 Linux tablet. Rdesktop, a free app of course, has me
logged onto my WinXP box's Remote Desktop and Xnews is booted to get
on usenet for this message.

Playing through the tablet's stereo speakers is KSEY, a cowboy music
station in Seymour, TX in cowboy country. It's playing using
mplayer, a free Linux media player that plays an amazing array of
audio and video media iPhone won't. Mplayer was fed the station's
connection, not from some browser spammer, but from Streamtuner,
another free, of course, program that automatically catalogues Xiph
and Shoutcast free streams and has its own bookmark system for my
favorite radio and TV free stations.

This is all taking place in a little country restaurant owned by the
Dukes family of pig farmers who open from Thurs to Sat feeding us all
you can eat SC open pit BBQ fresh from their farm. Deeeelicious!

Internet service is Alltel EVDO about 800Kbps up here in the
boondocks...$25/mo for unlimited data added to my phone bill. BT
data comes from the MotoROKR Z6m little slidephone.

Why iPhone? How absurd. Life is good!

On May 22, 3:07*pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Why iPhone? *How absurd. *Life is good!

Well for starters you can do that with a device a little larger than a
couple of stacked credit cards when you have an iPhone. What you
describe with the Nokia N800 and various devices all cabled together
is downright clunky and uncool compared to the Apple iPhone.

A few credit cards ? Try (10) I just checked. Keep trying to sell that
POS...


<[email protected]> wrote in message
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On May 22, 3:07 pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Why iPhone? How absurd. Life is good!

Well for starters you can do that with a device a little larger than a
couple of stacked credit cards when you have an iPhone. What you
describe with the Nokia N800 and various devices all cabled together
is downright clunky and uncool compared to the Apple iPhone.

Kevin Weaver wrote:
>
> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Kevin Weaver wrote:
>>> Yeah, The same guy that said Edge was enough. Battery life would take
>>> a big hit. That's why we (Apple) went with Edge. Quote from Jobs. The
>>> new one's will not have a battery door, Battery life _Will Suck_ even
>>> more then it does now.
>>
>> Not in terms of bytes/watt-hour. Someone doing the same amount of data
>> transfer on the 3G model will have better battery life. Of course most
>> users will probably be doing a lot more web stuff once they get 3G,
>> and are willing to make the trade-off.
>
> Thats not what Jobs said when asked why was 3G not in the 1st round. He
> said 3G uses more battery then edge.

It does, if you're measuring by usage time rather than bytes.

> So one has to attach a battery sleeve to get pass the battery life flaw

Yes.

> ? So end's that sexy and slim quote that Jobs talks about.
> IF that were true about less connectors to address a POF then why do
> they offer user replacement batterys for there laptops ?

I suspect it's because it's much easier to make a reliable connector
with larger contacts, and a more robust retention device on a notebook.
I'm not saying what Apple did is good for the user. But if you look at
one of the major points of failure of small electronic devices it's
connectors and battery doors. How many users didn't buy an iPhone
primarily because of the battery life?

> I've owned cell phones for over 10 years. I've never had a failure due
> to replacement of a battery. Thats Apple talk for screwing the end user.
> To have to send it to apple to get it replaced when it's dead is just
> more $$ for apple. And at some point in time it will need to be
> replaced. There just wanting the user to buy a new phone.

Yeah, well there are plenty of iPhone battery replacement kits. For $14
you can get a battery and the tool and instructions.

"http://app.infopia.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/SFV/31370/vpid/4470367/vpcsid/0/rid/126325"

>> Hopefully the 3G model will also add tethering capability, and it can
>> be powered by the big battery in the notebook.

> AT&T is not going to allow that under there all you can use iPhone plan.
> You can already use the usb plug to charge the iPhone. Plug it into any
> usb port and it charges.

How much is the 3G data plan going to cost? Will there be a plan that
allows tethering? This isn't known yet.

I'm not an iPhone fanboi. I wouldn't buy one because of several feature
limitations, but the lack of a battery door isn't one of them.

In message <[email protected]> "Kevin Weaver"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Thats not what Jobs said when asked why was 3G not in the 1st round. He said
>3G uses more battery then edge.

The chipsets available at the time had some limitations (I believe one
option had poor power consumption, and the other had some potential
legal troubles)

Having owned a couple of 3G handsets now (Razr2 V9, TILT), in my own
experience 3G is far better for battery life and reception/building
penetration.

"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:d715fcb8-
[email protected]:

> Well for starters you can do that with a device a little larger than a
> couple of stacked credit cards when you have an iPhone. What you
> describe with the Nokia N800 and various devices all cabled together
> is downright clunky and uncool compared to the Apple iPhone.
>
>

Hmm...noone thought it was klunky at any time.

Of course, I didn't need an external battery wrapper to make it run more
than an hour, either.

If you plug the iphone into the battery extender, which is "klunkier"...(c;

By the way, Vic, there are no cables. N800 supports multiple BT
connections simultaneously. It needs no cabling at all.
With the sellphone modem in my pocket....noone knows...(c;

On 5/22/08 2:07 PM, in article [email protected],
"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> o one has to attach a battery sleeve to get pass the battery life
> flaw
>> ? So end's that sexy and slim quote that Jobs talks about.
>> IF that were true about less connectors to address a POF then why
> do
>> they offer user replacement batterys for there laptops ?
>>
>>
>
> I'm sitting here typing on the Nokia BT folding keyboard paired to my
> Nokia N800 Linux tablet. Rdesktop, a free app of course, has me
> logged onto my WinXP box's Remote Desktop and Xnews is booted to get
> on usenet for this message.
>
> Playing through the tablet's stereo speakers is KSEY, a cowboy music
> station in Seymour, TX in cowboy country. It's playing using
> mplayer, a free Linux media player that plays an amazing array of
> audio and video media iPhone won't. Mplayer was fed the station's
> connection, not from some browser spammer, but from Streamtuner,
> another free, of course, program that automatically catalogues Xiph
> and Shoutcast free streams and has its own bookmark system for my
> favorite radio and TV free stations.
>
> This is all taking place in a little country restaurant owned by the
> Dukes family of pig farmers who open from Thurs to Sat feeding us all
> you can eat SC open pit BBQ fresh from their farm. Deeeelicious!
>
> Internet service is Alltel EVDO about 800Kbps up here in the
> boondocks...$25/mo for unlimited data added to my phone bill. BT
> data comes from the MotoROKR Z6m little slidephone.
>
> Why iPhone? How absurd. Life is good!
>
Don't git that there phone plugged up with yer greasy paws now, boy.