Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

In article <[email protected]>,
Calvin <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> News <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > David Moyer wrote:
> >
> > > Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
> > >
> > > "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
> > > than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
> > > device to just $200
> >
> >
> > Yebbut, what about that $800 long tail of service obligation...
> >
> >
> > , while fixing all of the major issues I described in
> > > How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008,
> >
> >
> > Yebbut, what about the lack of APPS? Still NO APPS.
> >
> > Still a fashion accessory, no more.
>
> This great new iPhone still does not do MMS. WTF?

MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
real e-mail with attachments?

--
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"I disagreed strongly with the Bush administration's mismanagement of the war
in Iraq." -McCain in June

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› See More: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

Ron <[email protected]> wrote in
news[email protected]:

> Best of all, they're vetted by Apple, so you wont have the issues with
> apps causing lockups, like on Palm, Windoze, and RIM devices.
>
>

I'm saving this statement to My Documents for later......(c;

"Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the planet.
>> >
>> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>> >
>> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
>> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
>> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described in
>> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons to
>> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
>> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
>> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once you've
>> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're settling
>> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
>> >
>> >much more here....
>> >
>> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
>> >
>> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>
>> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short "sound
>> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
>> that
>> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly every
>> one
>> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the solution
>> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
>> comments. "
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....9cee4d6a3?dmod
>> e=source
>>
>> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....a6948ceef?dmod
>> e=source
>>
>> Among many others.
>>
>> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
>> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple product.
>> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
>> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
>>
>>
>>
>
> You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
> interest"...

We sure are. It's the concept you try to invoke every time you attempt to
weasel out of your previous argument that conflicts with your current
argument.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:10:58 -0600, "PC Guy" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>
>"David Moyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the planet.
>>
>> Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>>
>> "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
>> than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
>> device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described in
>> How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons to
>> ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
>> before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
>> computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once you've
>> used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're settling
>> on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
>>
>> much more here....
>>
>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>
>I'm not surprised since they're almost giving the thing away.


Yesterday the anti-Apple crowd wasw complaining that you could still
find a RIM or Palm cheaper.

"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:10:58 -0600, "PC Guy" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"David Moyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the planet.
>>>
>>> Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>>>
>>> "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
>>> than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
>>> device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described in
>>> How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons to
>>> ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
>>> before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
>>> computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once you've
>>> used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're settling
>>> on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
>>>
>>> much more here....
>>>
>>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>
>>I'm not surprised since they're almost giving the thing away.
>
>
> Yesterday the anti-Apple crowd wasw complaining that you could still
> find a RIM or Palm cheaper.

And?

In article <[email protected]>,
News <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ron wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:19:24 -0400, News <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Yebbut, what about the lack of APPS? Still NO APPS.
> >
> >
> >
> > Guess you didnt see the announcement of the iPhone App store
>
>
> If you call those "APPS", there is no reasoning with you....

Poke around a bit for articles about the iPhone SDK this week at WWDC.

Or, if pictures are easier for you than words, watch the WWDC keynote
video and see examples of some of the upcoming applications being demoed.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sorry, but until they incorporate a phone book system, a calendar a task
> manager, and a to do list which can synchronize with MS Outlook, moving it a
> little more away from being a glorified toy and more towards business use,
> much as I want one, I won't have one. I don't even begin to understand how
> you can compare it to a Blackberry. The iPhone is still a device designed
> for the non-professional user.

they announced that on Monday as well, take the tour of "MobleMe.com"...
and if you want to do more than syncing of phone, addresses, calendars,
task, todo's, then you can connect any iPhone to MS Exchange 2003, or
2007.

http://www.apple.com/mobileme/

the tour of the features

http://www.apple.com/mobileme/guidedtour/

and the iPhone for Enterprise

http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/

Sweet!

In article <[email protected]>,
SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

> The XV6800 is what set the bar for Apple's iPhone revision in terms of
> features, other than the iPhone's lack of a slide-out keyboard, lack of
> a memory card slot, and lack of a user-replaceable battery, the new
> iPhone is a worthy competitor.

the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
is not in use.

you can add a memory card slot, you've been able to do that for years.

and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.

http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html

so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
thanks!!

In article <[email protected]>,
News <[email protected]> wrote:

> , while fixing all of the major issues I described in
> > How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008,
>
>
> Yebbut, what about the lack of APPS? Still NO APPS.

ah, there are over 1700 apps for the iPhone, with 1000's more coming on
July 11th.

http://www.apple.com/webapps/
>
> Still a fashion accessory, no more.

nah, the iPhone is far and away the most sophiscated cell phone you can
buy. It has the largest library of quality apps, the longest battery
life, the easy to navigate UI, the only phone with a real browser, etc,
etc, etc. no other cell phone is even close to the iphone in overall
functionality.

In article <[email protected]>,
Ron <[email protected]> wrote:

> Guess you didnt see the announcement of the iPhone App store, where
> you download apps straight to the iPhone, many of them (like a Reuters
> feed) FREE.
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/appstore.html
>
> Best of all, they're vetted by Apple, so you wont have the issues with
> apps causing lockups, like on Palm, Windoze, and RIM devices.

yes, that's a nice feature, plus it's on OSX so you won't have to deal
with quirky issues like Windows users are force to work with every day.

it's one incredible device, that's for sure.

How can you say that ? Being there are no apps yet. Why do you think there
only going to allow one app to run at a time ? Because it may lock up.

Time will tell when the apps start showing up.
"David Moyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:meetme-EF797B.16223211062008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Guess you didnt see the announcement of the iPhone App store, where
>> you download apps straight to the iPhone, many of them (like a Reuters
>> feed) FREE.
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/appstore.html
>>
>> Best of all, they're vetted by Apple, so you wont have the issues with
>> apps causing lockups, like on Palm, Windoze, and RIM devices.
>
> yes, that's a nice feature, plus it's on OSX so you won't have to deal
> with quirky issues like Windows users are force to work with every day.
>
> it's one incredible device, that's for sure.

In article <[email protected]>,
"PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the planet.
> >> >
> >> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
> >> >
> >> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
> >> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
> >> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described in
> >> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons to
> >> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
> >> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
> >> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once you've
> >> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're settling
> >> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
> >> >
> >> >much more here....
> >> >
> >> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
> >> >
> >> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> >>
> >> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short "sound
> >> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
> >> that
> >> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly every
> >> one
> >> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the solution
> >> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
> >> comments. "
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....3da9cee4d6a3?d
> >> mod
> >> e=source
> >>
> >> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....dbea6948ceef?d
> >> mod
> >> e=source
> >>
> >> Among many others.
> >>
> >> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
> >> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple product.
> >> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
> >> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
> > interest"...
>
> We sure are. It's the concept you try to invoke every time you attempt to
> weasel out of your previous argument that conflicts with your current
> argument.

Give an example...

--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)

ZnU wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Calvin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> News <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> David Moyer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>>>>
>>>> "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
>>>> than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
>>>> device to just $200
>>>
>>> Yebbut, what about that $800 long tail of service obligation...
>>>
>>>
>>> , while fixing all of the major issues I described in
>>>> How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008,
>>>
>>> Yebbut, what about the lack of APPS? Still NO APPS.
>>>
>>> Still a fashion accessory, no more.
>> This great new iPhone still does not do MMS. WTF?
>
> MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
> high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
> real e-mail with attachments?

So you can communicate with people in the real world who have MMS
capabilites (only).

Steve

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:13:27 -0600, David Moyer <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The XV6800 is what set the bar for Apple's iPhone revision in terms of
>> features, other than the iPhone's lack of a slide-out keyboard, lack of
>> a memory card slot, and lack of a user-replaceable battery, the new
>> iPhone is a worthy competitor.
>
>the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
>where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
>and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
>is not in use.
>
>you can add a memory card slot, you've been able to do that for years.
>
>and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
>
>http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
>
>so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
>thanks!!


Is that one of those Chinese exploding batteries? And its hardly near
instantaneous to change batteries.

In article <[email protected]>,
Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:

> ZnU wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Calvin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> News <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> David Moyer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
> >>>>
> >>>> "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
> >>>> than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
> >>>> device to just $200
> >>>
> >>> Yebbut, what about that $800 long tail of service obligation...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> , while fixing all of the major issues I described in
> >>>> How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008,
> >>>
> >>> Yebbut, what about the lack of APPS? Still NO APPS.
> >>>
> >>> Still a fashion accessory, no more.
> >> This great new iPhone still does not do MMS. WTF?
> >
> > MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
> > high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
> > real e-mail with attachments?
>
> So you can communicate with people in the real world who have MMS
> capabilites (only).
>
> Steve

Gee...

If only someone could figure out how to make a device automatically
convert an email message into an MMS message and vice versa...

<http://www.modmyifone.com/wiki/index.php/MMS_Email_Addresses>

--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)