Technical Specs of iPhone 3G posted

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Ron <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html

I clicked on the App Store. Where's the apps??!!

I see one little monkey game, there's Twitter and a little map program for
the new GPS and the hokey keyboard toy.

If you go to the site on an iPhone do you get to see all the new apps
they've been working on for months since SDK 1.0 released? I'm shocked
this is just ONE page with a couple of "apps". Ebay isn't an app...Ebay is
SPAM!

Where are all the apps???

In article <[email protected]>, Larry
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Ron <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
>
> I clicked on the App Store. Where's the apps??!!

the store is not yet open.

it is expected to open in july, when version 2 firmware is released for
the current iphones (required to buy apps) along with the iphone 3g
(which ships with v2 firmware).

Ron <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news:[email protected]:

> http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html

I see they won't be touting battery life as a big draw. They still limit
the phone in choice of audio and video formats. And it still doen't have
true GPS. Average camera at best with no video recording. No card slot.
And no western skiing for the iPhone user (maximum operating altitude
10,000 ft.). Looks like a mediocre feature offering at best.



Also, how can the phone operate in a range of 32 to 95 degrees but not
operate in a range of -4 to 113 degrees? Must be more of the Apple Rocket
Science.

But I'll bet the "user-configurable maximum volume limit" will be a big
selling point. After all, who ever heard of a volume control on a cell
phone?

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> > http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
>
> I clicked on the App Store. Where's the apps??!!
>
> I see one little monkey game, there's Twitter and a little map program for
> the new GPS and the hokey keyboard toy.
>
> If you go to the site on an iPhone do you get to see all the new apps
> they've been working on for months since SDK 1.0 released? I'm shocked
> this is just ONE page with a couple of "apps". Ebay isn't an app...Ebay is
> SPAM!
>
> Where are all the apps???

haven't you even seen the Keynote? until you do, you won't understand
much about modern cell phones.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc08/

the store "apps" won't be available until the phone is for sale. what a
concept!

so july 11th is when you can move up to an iphone.

in the meantime, here are 1,737 iphone apps to hold you over...

http://www.apple.com/webapps/

David Moyer <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news:meetme-3C4CD2.19512911062008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Leve
l3.net:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
>>
>> I clicked on the App Store. Where's the apps??!!
>>
>> I see one little monkey game, there's Twitter and a little map
>> program for the new GPS and the hokey keyboard toy.
>>
>> If you go to the site on an iPhone do you get to see all the new apps
>> they've been working on for months since SDK 1.0 released? I'm
>> shocked this is just ONE page with a couple of "apps". Ebay isn't an
>> app...Ebay is SPAM!
>>
>> Where are all the apps???
>
> haven't you even seen the Keynote? until you do, you won't understand
> much about modern cell phones.
>

Modern cell phones have things like true GPS.

In article <[email protected]>,
The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:

> > haven't you even seen the Keynote? until you do, you won't understand
> > much about modern cell phones.
> >
>
> Modern cell phones have things like true GPS.

and the 1.0 iPhone have the excellent WiFi positioning system via
Skyhook, and the 2.0 models have that and true GPS, so if you are
indoors or out, an iPhone will work... not so with most Cell Phone GPS
systems.

apple has the better system, that's for sure... it's just you are
jealous, that's all.

David Moyer <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > haven't you even seen the Keynote? until you do, you won't understand
>> > much about modern cell phones.
>> >
>>
>> Modern cell phones have things like true GPS.
>
> and the 1.0 iPhone have the excellent WiFi positioning system via
> Skyhook, and the 2.0 models have that and true GPS, so if you are
> indoors or out, an iPhone will work... not so with most Cell Phone GPS
> systems.
>

No- they don't use true GPS. It is Assisted GPS, which is inferior to the
real thing. Do your homework- the Apple Assisted GPS is network dependent
on either GSM or wifi.

> apple has the better system, that's for sure... it's just you are
> jealous, that's all.
>

Better than who, fanboi?

The Bob <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Ron <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
>
> I see they won't be touting battery life as a big draw. They still
> limit the phone in choice of audio and video formats. And it still
> doen't have true GPS. Average camera at best with no video recording.
> No card slot. And no western skiing for the iPhone user (maximum
> operating altitude 10,000 ft.). Looks like a mediocre feature
> offering at best.
>
>
>
> Also, how can the phone operate in a range of 32 to 95 degrees but not
> operate in a range of -4 to 113 degrees? Must be more of the Apple
> Rocket Science.
>
> But I'll bet the "user-configurable maximum volume limit" will be a
> big selling point. After all, who ever heard of a volume control on a
> cell phone?
>

I was also quite curious as to what "assisted GPS" means on a page that
is supposed to be the technical specifications of the device. Two words
is kinda vague. Either it really does have GPS or it doesn't. I thought
that is why the plastic case, because the GPS antenna MUST be somewhere
it can see the sky. The satellites are around 16,000 miles away and line
of sight. Any reflections, like operating a GPS receiver in a building
so the signal must bounce off something to get through the windows makes
the GPS fix very inaccurate because it's an analog system running on
timing and phase relationships between multiple signals. In a car, you'd
have to provide iPhone some kind of dash mounting bracket so it could see
UP into the sky, not with the car roof blocking the RF raining down on
it.

The temperature range is probably dependent on the LCD's capabilities,
not the phone. Too hot, the display turns black as the crystals melt.
Too cold and the crystals are so sluggish the display looks like slow
motion and will actually "freeze" at some low temperature. But, I
thought we'd gotten over most of that issue, especially in the cold.
Maybe they're afraid of the hot glue holding the cables on inside the
case melting.

Has anyone had iphone troubles because they forgot and left it in a car
in the hot sun? What did the display look like before it cooled back
off?

I cannot imagine ANY portable device needing a volume limit. All the
damned things, including my Nokia N800 Linux tablet, need MORE
AMPLIFICATION so you can hear it in a noisy place. Every one of these
devices needs a hardware-based audio compander (compressor-expander) to
provide proper audio levels because the source material is either driven
into distortion or is so low you NEVER have enough volume control range
to bring it up so you can hear it. Even internet broadcasters do a
HORRIBLE job of watching and adjusting their encoding levels to ensure
peak audio output without overdriving their encoders. Very few use
companders at the source, so the devices desparately need them at the
end. One of the reasons I didn't upgrade N800 to N810 is N810 has LESS
speakers, mounted on the sides, than N800's front mounted on either side
of the display. Sitting close enough to watch it, there is noticeable
stereo from the speakers. I don't sit on the side, where the N810 audio
comes out. The other reason was the loss of big SDHC memory cards, going
to a single microSD limited to 8GB. N800 has lots better storage.

The Bob <[email protected]> wrote in news:Xns9ABAD2D32D646bob@
216.196.97.136:

> Modern cell phones have things like true GPS.
>
>

I sorry, Bob, I disagree. Pick any GPS phone. Click to Menu and bring
up your GPS position. My ROKR Z6m is supposed to have GPS. There is a
GPS position subroutine in the test section you can bring up with the
secret code. It never shows anything. My V6 was the same way.

If the phones' GPS was installed, they'd be using it for a sales gimmick
and Lat/Long would be displayed on the home page to brag about it to you.

I think the reason it's not is purely physics. GPS birds are 16,000
miles away on a slice of 2.4 Ghz microwaves, which are line-of-sight,
period. To get a fix at all, the phone would HAVE to be IN YOUR HANDS,
OUTSIDE, with an UNOBSTRUCTED view of the sky from an antenna mounted on
the SKY SIDE, not pointing towards the ground from the back, of the unit.
GPS signals at ground level, even outside in the country, are very weak
requiring a fantastic receiver with an unobstructed antenna. They're not
going to make it, reliably, through the LCD or the keypad pointing up.
It's unobstructed antenna isn't on top because that's where the microSD
card slot is located.

Notice that on ANY handheld GPS there is an RF transparent plastic panel
about 2 X 3" above the display on the UPSIDE, when you're looking at it,
of the unit. The high gain 2.4 Ghz antenna is under that plastic. Where
is that on your sellphone....or your iphone? The display has a massive
grid of intersecting CONDUCTORS transparent to your sight, but NOT to 2.4
Ghz at -110 dbm. The antenna can't be there.

The antenna can't be on the back because the GPS signal doesn't bounce
off the sidewalk. Even if it did, the timing would be all screwed up as
you move the unit around making the fix move all over a 50' circle,
rendering the fix useless...especially for speed.

Nope...there's no antennas...so there can't be a GPS. I think it's a lie
for the druggies and Feds. You CANNOT pinpoint the position of the phone
as soon as you pass through the front door of the high rise building.
That's just fantasy. The last good fix it got was just outside the door.
That fix would be what the cops would see.

More Sellphone bull****.

David Moyer <[email protected]> wrote in news:meetme-C1C712.23394811062008
@news.qwest.net:

> and the 1.0 iPhone have the excellent WiFi positioning system via
> Skyhook, and the 2.0 models have that and true GPS, so if you are
> indoors or out, an iPhone will work... not so with most Cell Phone GPS
> systems.
>
>

Dream.........and the dream comes true..........
Dream.........it's the thing to do..............
(play the song while reading this)

GPS DOESN'T WORK INDOORS!.....IT'S IMPOSSIBLE....

How can you triangulate from WiFi when you have NO IDEA WHERE THE WIFI
BASE IS AND THE WIFI DOESN'T SUPPORT TRIANGULATION?.....Impossible.

The phones are, ON PURPOSE, so weak they don't cause more than 1 or two
towers to hear them....the reason SELLphone companies keep turning the
damned power down...3 watt to 600mw to 300mw to 200mw to 150mw...as the
system has more and more SMALL footprint cells turning off the BIG
footprint cells the AMPS system used to increase users/sq mi and profits.

To triangulate the position of an RF transmitter, you need at LEAST TWO
good LOPs (Lines of Position) from TWO separate, KNOWN locations with
STEERABLE antennas Sellphone towers DON'T have. A Sellphone tower has 3
PANEL antennas, each covering a little more than 120 degrees. The system
can tell you WITHIN 150-170 degrees, which direction a user is in because
it can see he's better on antenna 2 than 1 or 3. He's, sort of, THAT
WAY> as opposed to ^that way or <that way. Now, if by some magic, we've
installed REALLY NEW equipment that can send him out a PULSE and have him
RETURN the pulse, which I don't think Sellphone companies have, we could
determine how FAR out into this WIDE ARC from the tower he is located,
making each sector he's being heard in have a 150 degree ARC of position.
IF 3 towers had a good 150 degree ARC at some timed distance, and those
arcs intersected, that's where he'd be in OPEN COUNTRY. That fix would
be "fairly accurate" IF we knew the EXACT time it took for the cheap
Sellphone to turn that pulse around, different for every one, I'm sure.
But, alas, he's IN THE CITY where most of the customers are located....in
canyons of REFLECTING buildings causing MULTIPATH PROPAGATION DELAYS
between this wonderful Supersell and that user. His signal is BOUNCING
AROUND off these objects, making any timing-based, TACAN-like pulsing-
pulse-returning based system virtually USELESS...because the PATH
distance to him is FAR longer than the ACTUAL distance to him, at the
speed of light.

If you're interested in the TRUTH about the effects of multipath on radio
direction finding, the Canadian military has a gift for you:
http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTR...51&Location=U2
&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

This report is about VHF RDF. The higher you go in frequency, the WORSE
the effects of multipath propagation, especially in cities where there
are thousands of reflecting surfaces around, becomes. Notice how UHF TV
has LOTS more ghosts than VHF TV. Ghosts on analog TV signals is caused
by multipath signals reaching your receiver bouncing off things.

Have you ever used an AM band pocket radio's loopstick antenna to RDF the
station? It's so low in frequency, and the station runs so much power,
RDF is easy and fun. Tune in a station over 10 miles away on the AM, not
FM, band. With the radio standing upright, turn the radio on a vertical
axis until you find the NULL of the loopstick antenna, which is the line
of the ferrite core of the little radio's antenna, out the narrow sides
of the case, in most radios. This gives you a LOP, a line of position.
The station can be anywhere along that line. Now, move to a new position
a long way from the first position and plot another LOP on that signal
null the same way. Use a roadmap and plot them. Where they intersect is
the station transmitter. Because you have LINES of position, not ARCS of
position like a Sellphone system would have to have, you only need two
LOPs to find the station. We used to find U-boats that way from loop
antennas mounted on destroyer and cruiser ships in WW2. There's few
reflecting surfaces at sea.

Don't believe every hype Sellphone or Government bureaucrats tell you.
It's nonsense. As you can see from this Canadian military report, RDF is
very hard to accomplish under the best of conditions. Finding a
Sellphone inside a building where no GPS signal can go using RDF
techniques is DAMNED NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to accomplish with any usable
accuracy.

Sellphones AREN'T clairvoyant or some kind of black magic.....

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> I sorry, Bob, I disagree. Pick any GPS phone. Click to Menu and bring
> up your GPS position. My ROKR Z6m is supposed to have GPS. There is a
> GPS position subroutine in the test section you can bring up with the
> secret code. It never shows anything. My V6 was the same way.
>
> If the phones' GPS was installed, they'd be using it for a sales gimmick
> and Lat/Long would be displayed on the home page to brag about it to you.
>
> I think the reason it's not is purely physics. GPS birds are 16,000
> miles away on a slice of 2.4 Ghz microwaves, which are line-of-sight,
> period. To get a fix at all, the phone would HAVE to be IN YOUR HANDS,
> OUTSIDE, with an UNOBSTRUCTED view of the sky from an antenna mounted on
> the SKY SIDE, not pointing towards the ground from the back, of the unit.
> GPS signals at ground level, even outside in the country, are very weak
> requiring a fantastic receiver with an unobstructed antenna. They're not
> going to make it, reliably, through the LCD or the keypad pointing up.
> It's unobstructed antenna isn't on top because that's where the microSD
> card slot is located.
>
> Notice that on ANY handheld GPS there is an RF transparent plastic panel
> about 2 X 3" above the display on the UPSIDE, when you're looking at it,
> of the unit. The high gain 2.4 Ghz antenna is under that plastic. Where
> is that on your sellphone....or your iphone? The display has a massive
> grid of intersecting CONDUCTORS transparent to your sight, but NOT to 2.4
> Ghz at -110 dbm. The antenna can't be there.
>
> The antenna can't be on the back because the GPS signal doesn't bounce
> off the sidewalk. Even if it did, the timing would be all screwed up as
> you move the unit around making the fix move all over a 50' circle,
> rendering the fix useless...especially for speed.
>
> Nope...there's no antennas...so there can't be a GPS. I think it's a lie
> for the druggies and Feds. You CANNOT pinpoint the position of the phone
> as soon as you pass through the front door of the high rise building.
> That's just fantasy. The last good fix it got was just outside the door.
> That fix would be what the cops would see.
>
> More Sellphone bull****.

larry, please put yourself out of your own misery, WATCH the Keynote
since it explains all of that... (to huge applause by the way) learn
about skyhook and you'll understand why you can be indoors and still
have it work.

http://www.skyhookwireless.com/

bottom line it has true WPS & GPS

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc08/

In article <[email protected]>,
The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:

> No- they don't use true GPS. It is Assisted GPS, which is inferior to the
> real thing. Do your homework- the Apple Assisted GPS is network dependent
> on either GSM or wifi.

assisted just means it also has WPS, first cell phone to have it.

> > apple has the better system, that's for sure... it's just you are
> > jealous, that's all.
>
> Better than who, fanboi?

Garmin, TomTom, etc... those companies are now toast... at least in the
consumer space.

In article <[email protected]>, Larry
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> GPS DOESN'T WORK INDOORS!.....IT'S IMPOSSIBLE....

it's very possible. some of the better gps devices (e.g., with the
sirf star iii chipset) do work indoors. i have even obtained a fix
inside a steel framed department store with one.

David Moyer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> No- they don't use true GPS. It is Assisted GPS, which is inferior to the
>> real thing. Do your homework- the Apple Assisted GPS is network dependent
>> on either GSM or wifi.
>
> assisted just means it also has WPS, first cell phone to have it.
>
>>> apple has the better system, that's for sure... it's just you are
>>> jealous, that's all.
>> Better than who, fanboi?
>
> Garmin, TomTom, etc... those companies are now toast... at least in the
> consumer space.

You are *SUCH* a moron Oxford. You said that about Palm, and RIM when
the 1st iPhone came out.

The iPhone will *NEVER* have the accuracy, and routing capabilites of a
true GPS. There isn't enough romm in it for a properly accurate GPS
antenna or GPS chipset. It wont hold a candle to the SIRF III based GPSs.