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  1. #16
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
    On 2008-06-16, Paul Hovnanian P.E. <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Larry wrote:
    >>

    > [snip]
    >
    >> Look at you, right now! You're sitting there reading this ADVERTISING
    >> FREE message your cable or telephone company isn't getting paid double to
    >> deliver to you! How terrible, how unAmerican!...(c;

    >
    > Meanwhile, in related news, Verizon moves to block access to the alt.*
    > newsgroup hierarchy. Others to follow soon?


    As much as I'd like to believe that had something to do with Larry, it didn't,
    it was at the request of the (IIRC) New York State attorney general's office
    regarding some kiddie porn incident.


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  2. #17
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
    On 2008-06-16, Kevin Weaver <[email protected]> wrote:

    > BFD.. There is no enforcement on that list. They know it and there is
    > nothing anyone can do. SBC Told me they can't do anything but change my
    > number.
    >
    > The list is bogus.


    SBC/AT&T? They're a bunch of lazy, incompetent assholes who only exist to
    screw everyone they do business with.

    The DNC list works for my family too. You might try it.


    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
    Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol




  3. #18
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <[email protected]> wrote in news:4856CFA8.946AE2E5
    @seanet.com:

    > Meanwhile, in related news, Verizon moves to block access to the alt.*
    > newsgroup hierarchy. Others to follow soon?
    >
    >


    It won't work. The newsgroup providers are way ahead of them.

    "Encrypted UseNet Access

    UsenetServer has deployed 256 bit encrypted UseNet access service by
    utilizing SSL (Secure Socket Layer) encryption. UsenetServer's deployment
    of encrypted Usenet access comes in response to customer feedback and
    growing support in news client software for SSL. Encrypted Usenet access
    allows UsenetServer's customers to securely access Usenet newsgroups. All
    data passed from UsenetServer's servers to the customer's computer is
    encrypted. This includes all username, password, articles and posts.

    Encrypted Usenet access is available to all UsenetServer customers as a
    free service. To access Encrypted UseNet, setup your SSL aware news
    client to access:
    secure.usenetserver.com
    Port 563, 443 or 8080."

    "2. What port should I connect to?
    Port 119 is the default NNTP port, but we support ports 23, 25, 119,
    1720, 3128 and 8000. Secure.usenetserver.com only allows encrypted SSL
    connections on ports 443, 563 and 8080."



    256-bit SSL encrypted on many ports. What they gonna do, block 'em all?
    Pfat Chance....

    I don't think it will matter much when Verizon follows RR and starts
    selling bandwidth by the byte, again, like the old days. You'll get
    5GB/month then pfffft....until your next check clears.





  4. #19
    D
    Guest

    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:54:04 -0500, "BruceR" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >"Tom J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news[email protected]...
    >
    >>
    >> You thought it was neat, but I wouldn't. They would hear from me & not
    >> as a customer either!
    >>
    >> Tom J

    >That's exactly right. As soon as the first person angrily storms into a
    >store demanding payment for minutes or text units that the store used
    >the practice will stop dead in it's tracks. And the smart carrier who
    >promises to never allow the practice will see thousands of subscribers
    >flocking to it until all the carriers get the point. The smart carriers
    >will only allow it to happen on an opt-in basis or compensated basis
    >where one would get discounted - or possibly even free - service for
    >allowing the ads. I could see a construct where a pre-paid phone
    >customer could earn more minutes by allowing him/herself to be bombarded
    >by ads and getting a half a minute free for every ad they opened.
    >


    Virgin Mobile already has it. minute for minute credit for watching
    ads on thier site, and (IIRC) and a minute of airtime for each two
    (free) text ads you reply to for more info. You can also get bonus
    minutes for doing surveys on-site as well.





  5. #20
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    D <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Virgin Mobile already has it. minute for minute credit for watching
    > ads on thier site, and (IIRC) and a minute of airtime for each two
    > (free) text ads you reply to for more info. You can also get bonus
    > minutes for doing surveys on-site as well.
    >
    >
    >
    >


    Hmm...with a little app to automate the process, this might be a free
    sellphone!




  6. #21
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: -probably_junk- Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    At 16 Jun 2008 18:44:33 -0400 George wrote:

    > > Actually all my phones have been registered with DO NOT CALL. I still
    > > received a text message in a shopping center a month ago from some
    > > local robot that sensed my nearby cellphone. I thought it was neat and
    > > at the same time I was annoyed that they could do that.

    >
    > Thinking it was "neat" wouldn't be my first thought...


    Funny, MY first thought was "impossible." How is the "local robot" going
    to sniff out your phone number to text you by "sensing your phone"? Like
    many of 4phun's posts, this smells fishy.

    As reported in the trades, advertisers have been testing "robots" that
    attempt to connect with Bluetooth-enabled phones left in discoverable mode
    with offers of free ringtones or wallpapers to promote movies, etc., but
    the recipient has to permit the contact and pair with the sender, and
    AFAIK, the tests have been less than impressive for the sponsors (few
    people understand how to use their phone's BT other than using their
    headset.)

    I fail to see how any "robot" could intercept a device's phone number to
    text it unsolicited. I think 4phun is having "phun" with us and passing
    off apocryphal urban legend as a first hand account. Next he'll tell us
    you can pop corn with four iPhones... ;-)






  7. #22
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Google CEO: Get Ready for Cellphone Ads wasRe: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:e322c005-f366-41c2-802c-
    [email protected]:

    > Brace yourself for ads on your cellphone.


    The really sad part is millions of dumbasses are BUYING from this spam,
    just like the web spam, dooming them, and us, to yet more billboards in our
    homes, in our cars, in our pockets....

    Too bad, too, because a clear message COULD be sent back up the lines that
    this was unacceptable behaviour....just like MPAA and RIAA....simply stop
    buying.

    Maybe as we pass $10/gallon that might happen!




  8. #23
    Richard B. Gilbert
    Guest

    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    4phun wrote:
    > On Jun 16, 7:39 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >> 4phun wrote:
    >>> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
    >>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...viewArticleBas...
    >>> Fascinating article
    >>> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
    >>> enter into your cell phone:
    >>> Unwanted calls.
    >>> Recorded advertising voice mails.
    >>> SMS ads that ring your phone.
    >>> MMS ads that ring your phone.
    >>> E-mail ads.
    >>> Advertiser-supported software and services.
    >>> Web pages that force you to view an ad before you can see the page.
    >>> Location-based advertising -- you'll walk by a store, and it will ring
    >>> your phone to tell you about a sale.
    >>> Viral videos.
    >>> Text, e-mail or Web-based ads that encourage you to "click to call."
    >>> Search ads tailored for phones. "
    >>> "The problem isn't that somebody out there is looking for innovative
    >>> ways to leverage your cell phone to sell you something. The problem is
    >>> that everybody is doing it. The result will turn your cell phone into
    >>> an annoying, interrupting, commercial idiot box that combines all the
    >>> worst qualities of TV, telemarketing and spam.
    >>> We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
    >>> any of us can do about it ."

    >> There IS something we ALL can do. Refuse to buy any product advertised
    >> via cell phone!
    >>
    >> I have yet to receive ANY advertising via my cell phone!- Hide quoted text -
    >>
    >> - Show quoted text -

    >
    > How about the prrostitutes who start advertizing this way? How are you
    > going to explain thosr unwanted text messages to your wife?


    Since my wife also has a cell phone, I would expect that she would get
    the same advertising that I did!

    Since prostitution is a crime in most jurisdictions, I would not expect
    the prostitutes to advertise! Or at least that they would not spam cell
    phones at random.




  9. #24
    D
    Guest

    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:06:50 +0000, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

    >D <[email protected]> wrote in
    >news:[email protected]:
    >
    >> Virgin Mobile already has it. minute for minute credit for watching
    >> ads on thier site, and (IIRC) and a minute of airtime for each two
    >> (free) text ads you reply to for more info. You can also get bonus
    >> minutes for doing surveys on-site as well.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >Hmm...with a little app to automate the process, this might be a free
    >sellphone!


    yeah, but I think it is limited to 30 or 60 minutes a month. I would
    have to check to see...



  10. #25
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    D <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > yeah, but I think it is limited to 30 or 60 minutes a month. I would
    > have to check to see...
    >
    >


    Oh, I'm sure. But, with automation we could have a new one every 3 of 4
    days...(c;




  11. #26
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:4a290238-d0a4-4261-a726-
    [email protected]:

    > A couple of years ago CNet observed, "For example, advertisers could
    > use location information to send SMS (Short Message Service) text
    > messages to cell phone subscribers traveling to a new city. The
    > messages could tout nearby restaurants or could include coupons to be
    > used at certain locations. " How do they get such data? The business
    > uses a programmed robot to monitor the exchange of passing cell phone
    > handshakes to a nearby cell tower. They can then automatically
    > initiate a SMS to your passing phone.
    >
    >


    "They" could do that, but I doubt they will. This would expose their web
    page structure to unbelieveable tortures from DoS, Massive downloadings
    from redirectors across the planet, straight out hacking into webpages,
    databases, company records, etc.

    Piss off the wrong group of people and they can just kiss that server
    good bye, if you get my drift......all without selling anything anywhere
    near worth the damages that "wrong group" would inflict.

    It's not worth their time and money to spam you that way. They've
    already taken over the webpages noone, of consequence, cares anything
    about.

    Just add webpages to TV, Radio, Newspapers and Magazines on the huge pile
    of excrement at the spam dump. Why anyone would actually PAY for a new
    TV, then PAY someone to deliver electronic excrement to paste up on its
    screen still amazes me.

    It all started way back when they discovered idiot Americans would
    actually listen and buy things off the radio. Pretty much has been
    downhill since the mid 1920's.




  12. #27
    4phun
    Guest

    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    On Jun 17, 1:46*am, [email protected] (Gordon Burditt) wrote:
    > >Actually all my phones have been registered with DO NOT CALL. *I still
    > >received a text message in a shopping center a month ago from some
    > >local robot that sensed my nearby cellphone. I thought it was neat and
    > >at the same time I was annoyed that they could do that.

    >
    > That part is scary: *your phone should not be identifying itself
    > to the immediate area around you. *If it can, that means any terrorist
    > or hit person or ex-wife can build a bomb that goes off when YOU,
    > and only YOU, approach it. *It's great if you are a hit man. *It's
    > not so great if you are a person with a serious enemy, like most
    > government officials of any country, or are someone who annoyed
    > some psycho on the freeway yesterday. *It may be possible to do
    > that with a phone's ESN, anyway, but even most phone owners don't
    > know their own phone's ESN, but they do tend to hand out their phone
    > number to at least close colleagues.
    >
    > HEY PEOPLE WHO DESIGN USA PASSPORTS: *PAY ATTENTION: *RFID in
    > American passports is great for terrorists who want to blow up
    > Americans, since the bomb can detect American passports nearby as
    > a trigger. *WHAT THE HECK WERE YOU THINKING? *Bar codes, magnetic
    > stripes, etc. that can't be remotely read are much more secure.
    >
    > How, technically, does it do this? *I can see where it might sense
    > bluetooth devices, try to connect to them, and if it does, try to
    > get the phone number. *That sounds like a really good plan (NOT)
    > for the merchant: the way IN to the store (and probably OUT as well)
    > is clogged with people fiddling with their phones, so anyone who
    > really wants to go in to the store to BUY something has trouble
    > getting around the jamup of people.
    >
    > Or can it snarf cell tower polling or incoming calls from the airwaves
    > and your phone responding?


    http://news.cnet.com/Advertising-see...6115617-2.html


    A couple of years ago CNet observed, "For example, advertisers could
    use location information to send SMS (Short Message Service) text
    messages to cell phone subscribers traveling to a new city. The
    messages could tout nearby restaurants or could include coupons to be
    used at certain locations. " How do they get such data? The business
    uses a programmed robot to monitor the exchange of passing cell phone
    handshakes to a nearby cell tower. They can then automatically
    initiate a SMS to your passing phone.






  13. #28
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    At 17 Jun 2008 18:57:33 -0700 4phun wrote:


    > > Or can it snarf cell tower polling or incoming calls from the airwaves
    > > and your phone responding?

    >
    > http://news.cnet.com/Advertising-see...--page-2/2100-

    1039_3-6115617-2.html
    >
    >
    > A couple of years ago CNet observed, "For example, advertisers could
    > use location information to send SMS (Short Message Service) text
    > messages to cell phone subscribers traveling to a new city. The
    > messages could tout nearby restaurants or could include coupons to be
    > used at certain locations. " How do they get such data? The business
    > uses a programmed robot to monitor the exchange of passing cell phone
    > handshakes to a nearby cell tower. They can then automatically
    > initiate a SMS to your passing phone.


    No, they don't! The scenarios mentioned in that article and elsewhere all
    involve the cooperation of the carrier- NO advertisers are capturing
    numbers from your cellphone.

    The idea of location-based ads is that the advertiser strikes a deal with
    the carrier who would then serve up the ad based on your location.

    The scenario you're trying to describe isn't happening, period.





  14. #29
    Tom J
    Guest

    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

    Larry wrote:

    > It all started way back when they discovered idiot Americans would
    > actually listen and buy things off the radio. Pretty much has been
    > downhill since the mid 1920's.


    And you can have "those good old days"!! I like the present a bunch
    better. At least I have the funds to buy what I want instead of what I
    had to have to survive!!

    This whole thread is just so much crap & most of us know that!!!! I
    don't depend on any US server to deliver my newsgroups, because I have
    an overseas server paid for years in advance that will cover those
    that are dropped here. astraweb.com

    Tom J





  15. #30
    Ness-Net
    Guest

    Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!


    "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Just add webpages to TV, Radio, Newspapers and Magazines on the huge pile
    > of excrement at the spam dump. Why anyone would actually PAY for a new
    > TV, then PAY someone to deliver electronic excrement to paste up on its
    > screen still amazes me.
    >
    > It all started way back when they discovered idiot Americans would
    > actually listen and buy things off the radio. Pretty much has been
    > downhill since the mid 1920's.
    >


    Just a quick thought....

    Mind you, I'm not a fan of advertising, but then here's a good point.
    Broadcast TV is free. You don't have to have cable or satellite to have TV.
    All they give you is more channels (and supposedly better reception)
    But, they certainly aren't mandatory to watch television.

    So then who the hell then actually pays for the programming.? That's right - ads.
    Basically, a necessary evil, so to speak. You want free TV - you have advertising.

    Then, with a TiVo, boop, boop, boop - no ads. Works for me....

    Larry the luddite - at least you are consistent - for the umpteenth time...



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