iPhone 3G firmware has FM radio support, FOTA

FYI
Reports from users in possession of the latest iPhone 3G firmware
indicate that the device will have support for both FM radio and FOTA
(firmware over the air).

FM radio support means that the iPhone 3G may be able to make use of
devices like Apple’s own “iPod Radio Remote,” which includes an FM
tuner and allows users to listen to FM radio stations. Current iPhone
and iPod touch models are incompatible with the radio remote.

Firmware over the air support means that Apple will theoretically be
able to deliver software and firmware updates over the iPhone’s
cellular network connection, potentially allowing re-locking of
unlocked devices and feature enhancements that do not require
connection to a host computer.

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On Thu, 19 Jun 2008, 4phun posted:
> Reports from users in possession of the latest iPhone 3G firmware
> indicate that the device will have support for both FM radio and FOTA
> (firmware over the air).

Good. That offers hope that, eventually, 3G iPhone will catch up to the
Nokia N800 which always had FM radio capability and over-the-air updating.

In 4 or 5 years, a future version of iPhone will have other standard Nokia
features, such as uncrippled Bluetooth, stereo speakers, voice recording,
800x240 resolution screen, removable battery, SD card slots, and perhaps
even a UNIX that can run background tasks without freezing up.

It's interesting watching iPhone catch up to the past!

Give Apple's outsource contractors in India some time. They're smart
guys, but it's taking them longer ever since American and European
engineers wised up and stopped giving them free consulting.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:39d7d67f-84bf-42b5-86f6-
[email protected]:

> FM radio support

Well, what do you think about that?!

http://technocrat.net/d/2007/2/7/14542

Nokia simply forgot they put one in ours....(c;

.......me, too. Streamtuners' much better!

http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/streamtuner/

At 19 Jun 2008 15:36:38 -0700 4phun wrote:
> FYI
> Reports from users in possession of the latest iPhone 3G firmware
> indicate that the device will have support for both FM radio...

Wow. That's hard to believe Apple would adopt such a "backwards
technology"- at least that's what Oxford and all the zealots at CSMA called
FM when anyone suggested it's inclusion in Microsoft's Zune was an
advantage over it's omission on iPods...

Gee, first that "obsolete" 3G, and now "backwards" FM... I'm wondering if
Oxford will even buy an iPhone 2.0?...

At 19 Jun 2008 18:21:34 -0700 Mark Crispin wrote:

> Good. That offers hope that, eventually, 3G iPhone will catch up to
> the Nokia N800 which always had FM radio capability and over-the-air
> updating.


Now all the N800 needs is a phone! ;-)

> In 4 or 5 years, a future version of iPhone will have other standard
> Nokia features, such as uncrippled Bluetooth, stereo speakers, voice
> recording, 800x240 resolution screen

(you meant 800x480)

>, removable battery, SD card slots, and perhaps even a UNIX that can
> run background tasks without freezing up.
>
> It's interesting watching iPhone catch up to the past!

What's interesting to me is that in every manufacturer's haste to make an
iPhone killer, Nokia didn't do the obvious thing and just wedge a GSM radio
into an N-series tablet. An N800 or N810-based device with integrated
cellular phone would be a heck of a device, and a double "killer"-
competition to both the iPhone and those overpriced HTC WinMo phone/tablets
(Advantage, Shift, etc.)

At the very least such a device would make a good interim product before
they came up with something new from the ground-up.

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 19 Jun 2008 15:36:38 -0700 4phun wrote:
> > FYI
> > Reports from users in possession of the latest iPhone 3G firmware
> > indicate that the device will have support for both FM radio...
>
> Wow. That's hard to believe Apple would adopt such a "backwards
> technology"- at least that's what Oxford and all the zealots at CSMA called
> FM when anyone suggested it's inclusion in Microsoft's Zune was an
> advantage over it's omission on iPods...
>
> Gee, first that "obsolete" 3G, and now "backwards" FM... I'm wondering if
> Oxford will even buy an iPhone 2.0?...

the circuitry is part of the infineon chipset, but apple would never
utilize it on such a modern device. and you can turn off 3G so you can
have double the battery life. nobody needs 3G when WiFi is so readily
available. i probably won't buy the 2.0 version, can't see much benefit
that won't come already with the 2.0 software for my 1.0 iphones.

In article <[email protected]>,
Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> Good. That offers hope that, eventually, 3G iPhone will catch up to the
> Nokia N800 which always had FM radio capability and over-the-air updating.

you can always add a radio to an iphone or ipod if you are feeling retro.

> In 4 or 5 years, a future version of iPhone will have other standard Nokia
> features, such as uncrippled Bluetooth,

bluetooth is not crippled on the iphone, wait until july 11

> stereo speakers,

the iphone 2 has stereo speakers.

> voice recording,

just add it if you want it.

> 800x240 resolution screen,

but the iphone has a higher quality screen than the nokia.

> removable battery,

the battery is user replaceable, here is a kit for $15

http://www.hyratech.com/product.php?productid=6828

> SD card slots,

not needed when you can simply sync your data with the power cable

> and perhaps
> even a UNIX that can run background tasks without freezing up.

the iphone doesn't freeze up, do your research.

> It's interesting watching iPhone catch up to the past!
>
> Give Apple's outsource contractors in India some time. They're smart
> guys, but it's taking them longer ever since American and European
> engineers wised up and stopped giving them free consulting.

apple has never outsourced to india.

i see you are still jealous of the iphone, cute!

At 19 Jun 2008 22:21:57 -0600 Oxford wrote:

> > In 4 or 5 years, a future version of iPhone will have other standard
Nokia
> > features, such as uncrippled Bluetooth,
>
> bluetooth is not crippled on the iphone, wait until july 11


Wait for what? For them to uncripple it? If so, the correct response it
"the bluetooth on the iPhone won't be crippled much longer..."

Of course, I'm sure you'll have a different de inition of uncrippled than
I. "Uncrippled" means able to transfer files to any other bluetooth device
(including media files), and connect to a PC via bluetooth to sync or for
use as a cellular modem.


> > SD card slots,
>
> not needed when you can simply sync your data with the power cable


That's a silly answer. The advantage of removable memory to to trade files
with other devices "in the field," i.e. take a digital camera SD card, plug
it in the phone and e-mail pictures, for example, without waiting until you
get to a PC.

That is perfectly illustrative of why the iPhone doesn't make a good laptop
replacement- it's far too dependent on a computer to sync with. For all of
the press articles that want to call it a "portable computer" or a "mobile
computing platform," it's really a peripheral, not a computer. A
"computer" should have a self-accessable file system, and shouldn't need to
be hooked to a different computer just to perform basic tasks. (I used to
make this same argument against Windows Mobile devices back when they also
were much too reliant on a PC. Thankfully that's changed over the years.)

Your iPhone has a faster processor, more memory, and 16 times the storage
of my old Toshiba Tecra Win95 laptop, but the Tecra worked independently of
any other computer- why can't your iPhone?

In article <[email protected]>,
Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> > nobody needs 3G when WiFi is so readily
> > available. i probably won't buy the 2.0 version, can't see much benefit
> > that won't come already with the 2.0 software for my 1.0 iphones.
>
> Translation:
>
> Oxford's mommie told him that she's not going to buy him a 3G iPhone so
> soon after spending $500 for the 2G one.

my mommy spent $499, got $100 back and parlayed that $100 into $165 on
ebay, thus spent $349. mommy can sell my older iPhone on ebay for $315
unlocked, so mommy really only spent $49.

in hindsight, seems like marky's mommy wasn't a very good shopper for
buying the poor selling, poor quality N800.

the iphone has turned out to be the very best long term value in cell
phone history. my mommy is very happy.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008, Oxford posted:
> bluetooth is not crippled on the iphone, wait until july 11

You saw it here boys and girls. Oxford claims that as of July 11, Apple
will support Bluetooth file transfer to any device (including media files)
and Bluetooth tethering to laptops.

Yet another of Oxford's bogus predictions.

>> voice recording,
> just add it if you want it.

We're not talking about jailbroken devices.

>> 800x480 resolution screen,
> but the iphone has a higher quality screen than the nokia.

Of all the mindless twaddle that Oxford peddles, this is the funniest. I
always roll on the floor laughing every time he utter this one.

He's obviously never seen the EXACT SAME PHOTO displayed side by side on a
Nokia N800 and an iPhone; nor the EXACT SAME YOUTUBE VIDEO played side by
side on a Nokia N800 and an iPhone.

Apparently, he believe that there are only two screen types, and that if a
device is not an iPhone it must have the same type of screen found on a
typical Windows Mobile device.

The kid (he must be 13 or 14) hasn't a clue, and he shows it in public.
No wonder he doesn't post with his real name.

>> removable battery,
> the battery is user replaceable, here is a kit for $15
> http://www.hyratech.com/product.php?productid=6828

Too bad that it requires soldering and voids the warranty

>> SD card slots,
> not needed when you can simply sync your data with the power cable

Tell us about this power cable that plugs into an iPhone at one end and a
digital camera at the other end to synchronize data between the two
without needing a PC or Mac.

> the iphone doesn't freeze up, do your research.

Unfortunately for you, I have done quite a bit of actual development and
support work involving iPhone, including building applications. I can
scroll through a threaded view of 50,000+ email messages on my iToy.

I know quite a few ways to freeze up an iPhone -- including non-jailbroken
ones. iPhone has numerous bugs, the vast majority of which are not fixed
in 2.0 and are not likely to be fixed in the future due to limitations in
the platform.

With that said, iPhone isn't a bad effort as mobile devices go. It
suffers from Apple's walled-garden mentality, but it's alright for
light-duty PDA/email work.

> apple has never outsourced to india.

Unfortunately for you, I know the company in India. I also know the one
in China that does the actual manufacturing.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Oxford posted:
> my mommy spent $499, got $100 back and parlayed that $100 into $165 on
> ebay, thus spent $349. mommy can sell my older iPhone on ebay for $315
> unlocked, so mommy really only spent $49.

Except that she won't do it.

> in hindsight, seems like marky's mommy wasn't a very good shopper for
> buying the poor selling, poor quality N800.

It would be quite a feat for either of my parents to have purchased a
N800. They certainly never told me about their access to a time machine
in which they could travel into the future and buy a device that was
marketed many years after they died.

Unlike Oxford, I can do side-by-side comparisons of various devices
because I own all them and build software on all of them. I have no
particular stake in any of these; and certainly do not define my social
standing by any gadget that I may possess.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:apony-6D6D60.09542020062008
@n003-000-000-000.static.ge.com:

> in hindsight, seems like marky's mommy wasn't a very good shopper for
> buying the poor selling, poor quality N800.
>

Cue music......

"Dream............and the dream comes true.........,
Dream.............it's the thing to do............."

N800, the number one selling Amazon gadget last Christmas....
How soon we forget.

........AND SO MANY APPS TO PLAY WITH!

Here's my new N800 "toy"....(c;
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jhnZpkeFhGs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jKx5tNrsiE8

and, all those unreliable buttons make playing games a real pain in the
ass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toOVLIBSMkw
look hot jerky and just awful 800 pixels wide looks...terrible.

And there are some awful problems with email interrupting my TV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qOP6MFI8j4
How stupid...multitasking in a mobile device....

How silly taking the chance of running all those OTHER systems without
restrictions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=702kX8WYBeU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41EMuNzstFw

We don't even have to flash the OS for updates any more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELG3C2a3rZM

It even makes your coffee, cup and all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAmNIPPNC_k
This app uses our new HOST MODE switch applet for the USB port....

Here's a great free app, Xournal, showing you how terrible it is to
install software from maemo.org and what Xournal can do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzXFnHnFuzU
Just click the green install arrow, which downloads the .install text
file that Application manager uses to automate the process.

Tablet school produces videos for a lot of the features to help the
newbies, especially ipod/iphone users not used to having choices like
installing freeware, using new applications as they come.

All your Palm OS software runs under the Garnet virtual machine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzzZ1NdNduk
V2 just came out and rotates to full screen with a lot better interface
and much faster emulation. This is just one of many virtual machines for
the N8xx boxes under OS2008. Palm Desktop hotsyncs over your Lan, BT or
USB cable.

The only app I paid for is Wayfinder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWAmxpQP0Ww
But the freeware apps work nearly as good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=698iql3B824
and have lots more data sources to choose from.

So, OX, point us to some really neat stuff for the iphone....freeware.

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:apony-6D6D60.09542020062008@n003-
000-000-000.static.ge.com:

> in hindsight, seems like marky's mommy wasn't a very good shopper for
> buying the poor selling, poor quality N800.
>

Oops, I forgot a "new" feature for the 3G iphoney. I don't use my FM
radio, mostly because all there is to listen to on it in the USA is spam,
but here's how it works for "new" iphone users....(c;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guOXEw63jfg

The radio station database is constantly updated from licensing authorities
around the planet.

FM is ok, I guess, but Streamtuner is better....
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/streamtuner/


Oh, some of the other game emulators:
Gameboy Advanced - data off the carts
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vgba/

Scumm VM - more game emulator
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/scummvm/

there's too many. Here's where to start:'
http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Oops, I forgot a "new" feature for the 3G iphoney. I don't use my FM
> radio, mostly because all there is to listen to on it in the USA is spam,
> but here's how it works for "new" iphone users....(c;
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guOXEw63jfg
>
> The radio station database is constantly updated from licensing authorities
> around the planet.
>
> FM is ok, I guess, but Streamtuner is better....
> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/streamtuner/
>
>
> Oh, some of the other game emulators:
> Gameboy Advanced - data off the carts
> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vgba/
>
> Scumm VM - more game emulator
> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/scummvm/
>
> there's too many. Here's where to start:'
> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/

you obviously haven't learned the term "PodCast"... since it makes ALL
FM Radio, poor sounding streaming... obsolete. Podcasts are the way all
news and information will be distributed, there is no stopping it at
this point.

Larry, I really feel sorry that you continue to live in the DARK.

FM Radio? Yikes!!!!

Get an iPhone and enjoy life!

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Too bad the N800 never caught on...

Now, it's nothing more than a paperweight.

True... and I agree it's sad that Nokia was so hell bent on cheating
their customers. They should learn from Apple and ONLY offer "value" to
their customers... it seems to work for them.

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