iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!

Oxford wrote:
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/04/i...-the-apple-cub
>>
>> When FCC held public meetings Comcast didn't want the public to
>> attend, Comcast hired "Seat Warmers" to occupy all the seats in the
>> meeting hall to prevent the general public, fed up with Comcrap and
>> its attitude, from attending and expressing their views to the
>> Commission.
>
> ah, larry, apple hasn't spent a single "cent" on seat warmers in all
> of its 32 year history. the enthusiasm comes from one place, and one
> place only...
>
> great products!
>
Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are perhaps
"great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy perhaps
5 years ago. Macs weren't selling and few people were interested. I believe
it was Microsoft who bailed them out (I'm open to correction on the
specifics) because they would have been left as a "monopoly", a bad thing
with government regulation. Then the iPod came along and Apple's fortunes
changed, almost overnight.

While I love gadgets, and really want to own an iPhone just because I'm a
gadget nut, I still find them to be more hype than substance when it comes
to business use. Apple is still up to its old tricks of limiting what the
device is allowed to do. Its failure to sync completely, easily, and
INEXPENSIVELY with Outlook on a PC, for example, is a major drawback for me.
The fact that software "fixes" for a problem like that add significant
additional cost to the device is arrogant to me, and, I think, is what did
Apple in in the first place. And those "fixes" are not even complete fixes,
which makes it even worse.

I am sorry that Apple is not, and never has been. more consumer-friendly.

Explain to me why my Blackberry Curve (on Verizon) isn't a "better" device
than the iPhone for practical use? It's a great phone, plays all my mp3s
and iTunes, has a good camera with a flash, and a video recorder, is more
compact, does email very well (though not all attachments), syncs 100% with
MS Outlook on a PC for FREE, has very usable, and fast internet access,
albeit not with all that pinch and slide techno-gimmickry. Tell me, who's
really going to sit on their iPhone and do internet access all day? No
matter how cool the iPhone appears to do it, the device is still too small
for the kind of comfort you get from a laptop or desktop for long-term
browsing.

I wonder if the iPhone is really going to take over and change the cell
phone industry or whether it will crash and burn with time as most consumers
will find they really don't want or need to do the stuff the iPhone offers?
And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the
device while it's relatively new. Time will tell.

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♦♦♦
Todd

I have been syncing OUTLOOK with the old iPhone from day one using
iTunes sync function.
Duh?
It does not sync in version 1.14 with Outlook notes without a thrid
party helper application which is FREE.

I understand the new version iPhone OS 2.0 does sync Notes to but I
will only know for sure when I see it in action.


Microsoft has aided Apple immensely by releasing Vista for new PCs. It
has aided Apple's entry into the mobile phone market by releasing
Microsoft Windows Mobile and Smartphone software.

â™*â™*â™*

On Jul 5, 10:22Â*am, "Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:
!
>
> Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are perhaps
> "great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy perhaps
> 5 years ago. Macs weren't selling and few people were interested. I believe
> it was Microsoft who bailed them out (I'm open to correction on the
> specifics) because they would have been left as a "monopoly", a bad thing
> with government regulation. Then the iPod came along and Apple's fortunes
> changed, almost overnight.
>
> While I love gadgets, and really want to own an iPhone just because I'm a
> gadget nut, I still find them to be more hype than substance when it comes
> to business use. Apple is still up to its old tricks of limiting what the
> device is allowed to do. Its failure to sync completely, easily, and
> INEXPENSIVELY with Outlook on a PC, for example, is a major drawback for me.
> The fact that software "fixes" for a problem like that add significant
> additional cost to the device is arrogant to me, and, I think, is what did
> Apple in in the first place. And those "fixes" are not even complete fixes,
> which makes it even worse.
>
> I am sorry that Apple is not, and never has been. more consumer-friendly.
>
> Explain to me why my Blackberry Curve (on Verizon) isn't a "better" device
> than the iPhone for practical use? Â*It's a great phone, plays all my mp3s
> and iTunes, has a good camera with a flash, and a video recorder, is more
> compact, does email very well (though not all attachments), syncs 100% with
> MS Outlook on a PC for FREE, has very usable, and fast internet access,
> albeit not with all that pinch and slide techno-gimmickry. Tell me, who's
> really going to sit on their iPhone and do internet access all day? Â*No
> matter how cool the iPhone appears to do it, the device is still too small
> for the kind of comfort you get from a laptop or desktop for long-term
> browsing.
>
> I wonder if the iPhone is really going to take over and change the cell
> phone industry or whether it will crash and burn with time as most consumers
> will find they really don't want or need to do the stuff the iPhone offers?
> And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the
> device while it's relatively new. Time will tell.

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Larry posted:
> Wonder how many babies will be conceived in line this time??

iPhone fanboys don't reproduce. Many have not even had a date.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> iPhone fanboys don't reproduce. Many have not even had a date.
>
> -- Mark --
>
>

I didn't see FruitFone babies for sale at the App Store......probably not
approved by Sir Steve, yet.

The Bob <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> The only milestone will be the collective yawn and the new fire sale
> mentality Apple takes after the inital hoopla is over.
>
>

Wish I were closer to NYC for the coronation. I'd love to stream live
video from the N800 walking around in the crowd of fanbois to Xiph's server
on the net...great fun.

Someone will be streaming live, just like the last time, the night before
the coronation. It's not as cold as it was before on that line...(c;

Paul Miner <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:30:51 -0600, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>So we heard some really over-eager folks have decided to get a jump on
>>the iPhone 3G line -- a really, really big jump. Obviously, we had to
>>head down and see if it was true... and it is.
>>
>>Right now, about ten people have started a line outside of Apple's
>>flagship store on 5th Avenue in New York. Word is that the family at the
>>head of the queue are attempting to break some kind of record which
>>involves their baby -- which kind of sounds a little intense if you ask
>>us.
>
> Ten people? TEN people?? And they're in line so they can break a
> record? You mean it has nothing to do with Apple and the iPhone?
> *yawn* It's a sad day when you can only find ten weirdos in a city the
> size of NY.
>

Seat Warmers.....I wonder what Apple is paying them to camp out there??

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:20d3ff7e-9cd4-4300-a6c9-
[email protected]:

> AT&T will sell to volume buyers who are buying five or more from major
> corporations starting at 5:30 AM so I expect some main AT&T stores to
> be sold out before the darn doors even open to the general public.
>
>

I'm trying to buy a new Smart CDi diesel Smart. All the Smart dealers and
Smart USA are playing this same game of holding back, trying to create
demand in a terrible car sales environment by only selling each dealer a
handful of cars a month....trying to prevent discounting. They'll threaten
to disband any dealer who discounts.

I may have to go to Canada to get the little diesel I can run on used
vegetable oil like my old Mercedes and stepvan. SmartUSA won't import
them, another stupid game that's gonna screw our local dealer out of $15K
of my cash. Pity....it wasn't my decision.

I don't play these bull**** games with anyone....especially dealers,
FruitFone or Smart.

The diesel Smart gets over 70mpg and is the absolute carbon emission king
of any car made, including electrics and hybrids when one considers power
plant emissions caused by electric car charging. An Italian magazine got
3.3 litres/100 km fuel consumption on a REAL trip from Italy to Germany
through the mountains. They made the whole trip on one little tank of
diesel fuel...(c; The little diesel engine turns under 3000 RPM, because
diesel injection MUST happen quite slowly, which should produce a car I can
keep for many years. My 1973 Mercedes 220D has only been overhauled once
since 1972...36 years. I'm growing tired of fighting its body being
consumed.

Too bad my dealer doesn't want to sell me one. I took wads of $100 bills
over there and laid them on his desk. I thought he was gonna **** his
greedy pants....hee hee.

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap).
>
> I only post news of interest to everyone, if you don't like it, leave
> the group.
>

See... look below Oxy, lots of other folks don't want to see this **** either.
That certainly does NOT make "everyone"...

And, BTW, not a single post supporting you...

Maybe take your OWN 'advice' and "leave"...? Please?

In article <[email protected]>,
Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Wonder how many babies will be conceived in line this time??
>
> iPhone fanboys don't reproduce. Many have not even had a date.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...02880075387210



"Lonely men who have never had sex--not even with a Catholic priest."



"How do you explain this to your imaginary girlfriend?"



"When is your baby due?"

"June 27, six weeks."

"Wow....that's the last time he'll ever see female genitalia."




"Seriously...have you ever talked to a woman without having to give your
credit card number?"




"I have a spoiler....Here's a spoiler: you will die alone."



"So this is to help you breathe....and which of these buttons calls your
parents to pick you up?



"The groom has kissed the bride, after years of practicing on his
sister...And now the nerds are congregating for the ceremonial banging
of the plastic toys; this is what a nerd circle jerk looks like."

RBM wrote:

> That's really very sad. You folks need to get a life, find religion or
> something

They did find religion, just not any of the ones you're thinking of.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are perhaps
> "great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy perhaps
> 5 years ago. Macs weren't selling and few people were interested. I believe
> it was Microsoft who bailed them out (I'm open to correction on the
> specifics) because they would have been left as a "monopoly", a bad thing
> with government regulation. Then the iPod came along and Apple's fortunes
> changed, almost overnight.

apple was never close to bankruptcy, if you remember... on their darkest
day, they had $1.1 billion in cash and no long term debt. but yes, they
did go through a several year period of slowing sales some 12 years ago.

the iMac turned everything around, not the iPod. and no, Microsoft had
to pay Apple for software thefts in 1997, but it was a small amount,
something like $150 million.

> While I love gadgets, and really want to own an iPhone just because I'm a
> gadget nut, I still find them to be more hype than substance when it comes
> to business use. Apple is still up to its old tricks of limiting what the
> device is allowed to do. Its failure to sync completely, easily, and
> INEXPENSIVELY with Outlook on a PC, for example, is a major drawback for me.
> The fact that software "fixes" for a problem like that add significant
> additional cost to the device is arrogant to me, and, I think, is what did
> Apple in in the first place. And those "fixes" are not even complete fixes,
> which makes it even worse.

but all that changes July 11th, everyone can now build apps for the
iPhone, you can get started here:

http://developer.apple.com/iphone/

> Explain to me why my Blackberry Curve (on Verizon) isn't a "better" device
> than the iPhone for practical use?

it has a tiny screen, poor keyboard, no multitouch, no UNIX OS, no
significant developer base.

> It's a great phone, plays all my mp3s
> and iTunes, has a good camera with a flash, and a video recorder, is more
> compact, does email very well (though not all attachments), syncs 100% with
> MS Outlook on a PC for FREE, has very usable, and fast internet access,
> albeit not with all that pinch and slide techno-gimmickry. Tell me, who's
> really going to sit on their iPhone and do internet access all day? No
> matter how cool the iPhone appears to do it, the device is still too small
> for the kind of comfort you get from a laptop or desktop for long-term
> browsing.
>
> I wonder if the iPhone is really going to take over and change the cell
> phone industry or whether it will crash and burn with time as most consumers
> will find they really don't want or need to do the stuff the iPhone offers?
> And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the
> device while it's relatively new. Time will tell.

The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is
centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead
starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too compelling.

The iPhone is the next iPod, and there is no way to change that fact.

-

Oxford wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
>> I wonder if the iPhone is really going to take over and change the cell
>> phone industry or whether it will crash and burn with time as most consumers
>> will find they really don't want or need to do the stuff the iPhone offers?
>> And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the
>> device while it's relatively new. Time will tell.
>
> The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is
> centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead
> starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too compelling.
>
> The iPhone is the next iPod, and there is no way to change that fact.

I had lunch with my former CEO recently, and after we noticed someone
using an Iphone in the restaurant, I asked him if the company was going
to consider the new model as a replacement for the nearly 10,000
Blackberry 8820's and 8830's they're currently using. He asked me if it
had a camera, and when I said, "Yes", he said, "Then absolutely not!" He
reminded me of the company's "No cameras allowed" policy, and that he
couldn't imagine any company dealing with security issues and/or
government contracts allowing them, any more than many government
departments will allow them. He said making sure that vendors and other
visitors check their camera phones with security is a big enough hassle
as it is, and allowing employees to have them would create a huge
security risk and extra expense. Good luck with that "enterprise uptake"
thing, Apple...

--
Dutch
Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m
tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008

no wonder everyone is calling it the Instink

a good, non-biased review is here:

(ignore the 10 second commercial at the beginning)

http://snipurl.com/2ldmb

In article <[email protected]>,
Dutch <[email protected]> wrote:

> > The iPhone is the next iPod, and there is no way to change that fact.
>
> I had lunch with my former CEO recently, and after we noticed someone
> using an Iphone in the restaurant, I asked him if the company was going
> to consider the new model as a replacement for the nearly 10,000
> Blackberry 8820's and 8830's they're currently using. He asked me if it
> had a camera, and when I said, "Yes", he said, "Then absolutely not!" He
> reminded me of the company's "No cameras allowed" policy, and that he
> couldn't imagine any company dealing with security issues and/or
> government contracts allowing them, any more than many government
> departments will allow them.

the iPhone camera can be disabled via software.


> He said making sure that vendors and other
> visitors check their camera phones with security is a big enough hassle
> as it is, and allowing employees to have them would create a huge
> security risk and extra expense. Good luck with that "enterprise uptake"
> thing, Apple...

Apple solved that Enterprise concern awhile ago.

Oxford wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dutch <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> The iPhone is the next iPod, and there is no way to change that fact.
>>
>> I had lunch with my former CEO recently, and after we noticed someone
>> using an Iphone in the restaurant, I asked him if the company was going
>> to consider the new model as a replacement for the nearly 10,000
>> Blackberry 8820's and 8830's they're currently using. He asked me if it
>> had a camera, and when I said, "Yes", he said, "Then absolutely not!" He
>> reminded me of the company's "No cameras allowed" policy, and that he
>> couldn't imagine any company dealing with security issues and/or
>> government contracts allowing them, any more than many government
>> departments will allow them.
>
> the iPhone camera can be disabled via software.

Not good enough for security requirements. If it can be disabled, it can
be enabled. The capability can't exist at all.

>> He said making sure that vendors and other
>> visitors check their camera phones with security is a big enough hassle
>> as it is, and allowing employees to have them would create a huge
>> security risk and extra expense. Good luck with that "enterprise uptake"
>> thing, Apple...
>
> Apple solved that Enterprise concern awhile ago.

By ignoring the lack of enterprise users?

--
Dutch
Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m
tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008